Heaven and Hell

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Occasionally, the issue of “Heaven” and “Hell” has come up. Statements have been made that prior to Christ; the Jews had no concept for either.

In the bible, the place of the dead is called Sheol. Many translations replace Sheol with Hell, but that is incorrect. We do know Sheol is a temporary place were the righteous and the unrighteous await their resurrection in Christ.

On death, according to the First Testament, the righteous “rest with their fathers” or are “gathered to their families”. While many details are left blank, the righteous will somehow recognize and commune with those they love. It is described as a peaceful place where the righteous are protected forever by YHWH himself. Psalm 37:38: “For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved forever”.

The fate of the unrighteous is less clear. There are multiple bible passages indicating Sheol has separate levels for the righteous and the unrighteous. What is clear in both testaments is the division of believers from non-believers.

Consider the words of God to Hosea in 13:14: “I will ransom them (the righteous) from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death. Where, O death, are your plagues? Where, O grave, is your destruction?” In this First Testament passage, redemption from death establishes both heaven and the grave as separate entities.

Consider Daniel 12:2: "Many of those whose bodies lie dead and buried will rise up, some to everlasting life and some to shame and everlasting disgrace." Here, the contrast of eternal life and everlasting disgrace is established.

The First testament statement in Psalm 23:6: “Surely your goodness and love will follow me all the days of my life, and I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever” is a foreshadow of Revelation 21:3 “And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.”

Isaiah states in 25:8: “…he will swallow up death forever. The Sovereign Lord will wipe away the tears from all faces; he will remove his people’s disgrace from all the earth. The Lord has spoken.” This was repeated in Revelation 21:4: “He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

Finally, in Luke 16:22 Jesus himself presents a petty clear vision of Sheol before His resurrection. He uses the term “Abraham’s Bosom” as a place of rest and peace for the righteous, distinct from the fate of the wicked. For a first testament believer, Abraham’s Bosom can only mean resting with his fathers.

The concepts of heaven and hell were clearly identified by First Testament believers. Even more, the path to each was marked; and this well before the birth of Christ.
 

Believe What the Jewish Apostles Taught, Not What the Greek Philosophers Taught​

  • Why Tradition about the fate of the lost, (as torment forever) is unbiblical and not hermeneutically correct.
  • Why Conditional Immortality is absolutely true and all unsaved souls will one day be "destroyed."
  • Why there is no "immortal soul" doctrine in the Bible, for the lost, at all.

  • A CHALLENGE TO THOSE WHO DISAGREE ​
    We are so persuaded of our position, and so confident in the Scriptural evidence presented on this site, that we honestly do not believe that anyone who shares our faith in the final authority of Scripture will be able to cling to endless torment after reading this entire site and the links.
  • Summary​

    Greek Philosophers Taught:

    It is clear that PLATO and many Greek philosophers taught the soul was indestructible:

    "The belief in the immortality of the soul came to the Jews from contact with Greek thought and chiefly through the philosophy of Plato, its principal exponet."The Jewish Encyclopedia (www.jewishencyclopedia.com, searched "immortality")

    "Among major schools of Greek thought, only Epicureans denied the soul's immortality" (Craig S. Keener,
    The IVP Bible Background Commentary New Testament, Downers Grove, Inter Varsity Press, 1993, p.374)

    "...immortality of the soul, as normally understood, is not a Biblical doctrine" (
    The International Bible Commentary, second edition, Grand Rapids, MI, Zondervan Publishing House, 1986, p.60 column 2)

    "It is a truism that Plato's teaching has profoundly influenced Christian anthropology." (Forward by F.F. Bruce,
    The Fire that Consumes, Edward Fudge)
    Conclusion: Except for the Epicureans, Greek philosophers taught of the soul's natural immortality-without God.

    Jewish Apostles Taught:

    However, the Scriptures teach the soul is destructible and immortality is part of the gospel.

    "Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body..." (Matthew 10:28)

    "There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy" (James 4:12)

    "...who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel" (2 Tim 1:10)
    Conclusion: Jesus and James taught the soul was destructible. Paul taught that immortality is brought through the gospel.