Heresy

[studentoftheword]

Then why say it?

Because I believe it -----that is why -----I don't have to prove anything to you or anyone --you can believe what you want to ---it matters not to me ---

Student of the word, perhaps, but obviously not a student of logic or respectful debate.

You can think that --that is your right -----but you don't want to do your research you want others to be wrong when you have not done anything to know just how many Wolfs there are preaching in the Pulpit ---Do you know that there are Atheists preaching in God's House -----do your homework on that ----

Gretta Vosper ==an Ordained United Church minister =who came out to the Flock in the pews on Sunday morning during her sermon ---and if you read all about her --she clearly states that she knows of Many who are like her ---Ordained as God's teacher but Atheist in their heart ---she Preached for years with the United Church ----before announcing who she really was ------

She deceived to get ordained in the first place and then deceived her Flock for years and was kept in the Church after she can out as an Atheist-----

Gretta Vosper | The Atheist Minister​

You can not preach rightly God's word without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit------and there are not many Ministers --Preachers --Priests ---Deacons ---Sunday school teachers ----Bishops etc today who have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit -----Churches are CLOSING -----Not Flourishing ----- their Sermons give them away ----most churches today put their Sermons on the YouTube -

-but you don't want to know -----you haven't checked it out ------so How do you know it is not 90% if you haven't done your homework on it -----just saying -----Know your Scripture Folks ----so you can spot the Deceivers ---the heretics-----

 

[markss]

YOU made the assertion; YOU provide the evidence.

Nobody is going to visit several different churches to determine whether the assertion YOU made is valid. Rather, we can dismiss your assertion as empty opinion until and unless YOU provide supporting evidence.

Not to mention . . . who is the arbiter of truth here?

Much love!

 

[Dino246]

You can think that --that is your right -----but you don't want to do your research you want others to be wrong when you have not done anything to know just how many Wolfs there are preaching in the Pulpit

The word is “wolves”, and you need to learn what a “burden of proof reversal” is.

---Do you know that there are Atheists preaching in God's House -----do your homework on that ----

Gretta Vosper ==an Ordained United Church minister =who came out to the Flock in the pews on Sunday morning during her sermon ---and if you read all about her --she clearly states that she knows of Many who are like her ---Ordained as God's teacher but Atheist in their heart ---she Preached for years with the United Church ----before announcing who she really was ------

She deceived to get ordained in the first place and then deceived her Flock for years and was kept in the Church after she can out as an Atheist-----

Gretta Vosper | The Atheist Minister​

You can not preach rightly God's word without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit------and there are not many Ministers --Preachers --Priests ---Deacons ---Sunday school teachers ----Bishops etc today who have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit -----Churches are CLOSING -----Not Flourishing ----- their Sermons give them away ----most churches today put their Sermons on the YouTube -

-but you don't want to know -----you haven't checked it out ------so How do you know it is not 90% if you haven't done your homework on it -----just saying -----Know your Scripture Folks ----so you can spot the Deceivers ---the heretics-----

Blah blah blah. A few examples don’t support your claim of 90%. Or “most”. Or anything like that. Your attack on me is typical blame-shifting.

 

[NightTwister]

Because I believe it -----that is why -----I don't have to prove anything to you or anyone --you can believe what you want to ---it matters not to me ---

So you believe something you actually proved to be wrong. I guess bearing false witness is just your thing,

 

[studentoftheword]

Blah blah blah

Right back at YA -------

 

[studentoftheword]

So you believe something you actually proved to be wrong. I guess bearing false witness is just your thing,

===you just are sermonizing I am wrong ---you haven't proved that I am wrong -----so Prove that I am wrong -----

 

[GWH]

The word is “wolves”, and you need to learn what a “burden of proof reversal” is.


Blah blah blah. A few examples don’t support your claim of 90%. Or “most”. Or anything like that. Your attack on me is typical blame-shifting.

These posts illustrate why we should confine our discussion to doctrines and avoid making it personal/divisive.
It took me awhile to learn this after joining CC, and if you ever see me straying, please let me know.

 

[NightTwister]

===you just are sermonizing I am wrong ---you haven't proved that I am wrong -----so Prove that I am wrong -----

You proved yourself wrong. I don't need to do anything.

 

[homwardbound]

Hello! Peace!
Can you help me clear up this doubt?

Can people in heretical churches not be saved? Since they believe in heresies, but genuinely think in their hearts that they please God, that is at least their intention. Therefore, they will not be saved? This confuses me a lot, because I put myself in the place of these "lay" people and think that I could not be saved for being in heresy or in sects.

God Father through risen Son continues in God's mercy and truth of Son for everyone
Since he did this once willingly for us all Hebrews 10 1 John 2:1-27. So stand in this truth Col 1:21-22 for you.
Everyone has free choice to choose. As no one can choose for anyone else. So I see to not worry over what others think or do. I see to just share the love and mercy to all as given to simply do

Worry is asked about in Matthew 6. Jesus asked the ? will worry add even a cubit (moment) to your life?
My answer, worry, steals, kills and destroys. So I see better to not even give any worry, or doubt any Creedence. Anyone else?
God did it for us all by Son, who is now risen as we are all reconciled, forgiven to get given the new life in the risen Christ ut in us as the gift to believe, receive and be new in love and mercy too, to all too
Trusting God to reveal wha tis need to get revealed to you by God for you

 

[studentoftheword]

I don't need to do anything.

 

[vassal]

Hello! Peace!
Can you help me clear up this doubt?

Can people in heretical churches not be saved? Since they believe in heresies, but genuinely think in their hearts that they please God, that is at least their intention. Therefore, they will not be saved? This confuses me a lot, because I put myself in the place of these "lay" people and think that I could not be saved for being in heresy or in sects.

Here's the thing, God sees intention, but He also calls us to seek truth, not just comfort. Good intentions alone don't automatically lead to salvation if the foundation someone is standing on is cracked. A person can sincerely believe something that is sincerely wrong. History is full of people who genuinely thought they were pleasing God while following teachings that contradicted what Jesus actually said and lived.

The real issue is this: if someone never takes the time to compare what their church teaches with what Jesus Himself taught, His words, His life, His example, they're essentially trusting a middleman blindly. And that middleman might be leading them somewhere Jesus never pointed to.

Now, does that mean every person sitting in a flawed church is automatically lost? That's above any human's pay grade to judge. God knows each heart in a way we never could. But there's a difference between someone who never had access to the truth and someone who had every opportunity to question and simply chose not to.

What you can take from this is a personal responsibility, not fear, but responsibility. Keep seeking. Keep comparing. Keep asking whether what you're being taught lines up with the actual Jesus of the Gospels, not just a version of Him dressed up to fit someone's agenda.

The danger isn't being imperfect. The danger is stopping the search for truth.