Holy Spirit/Blasphemy

[p_rehbein]

Holy Spirit

(defined KJV_

(excerpt)

New Testament. Although relatively infrequent in his Old Testament appearances, the Spirit now emerges to dominate the theology and experience of the major New Testament witnesses. The term "Holy Spirit" (pneuma [pneu'ma] hagion [a&gion]) becomes common, although the absolute use remains frequent and "Spirit of God/the Lord" and even "Spirit of Christ" appear too. A distinct personality emerges and, ultimately, explicit trinitarian teaching.

(here)



Holy Spirit Meaning - Bible Definition and References



Complete Jewish Bible

In Judaism, the Holy Spirit (Hebrew: רוח הקודש, ruach ha-kodesh) refers to the divine force, quality, and influence of God over the universe or over God's creatures in giving contexts



Holy Spirit in Judaism



Scriptures about the Holy Spirit:



John 16:13 - Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.





13 However, when the Spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own initiative but will say only what he hears. He will also announce to you the events of the future.

(CJB)



John 14:26 - But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.



John 14:26 CJB: 26 But the Counselor, the Ruach HaKodesh, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you everything; that is, he will remind you of everything I have said to you.



Acts 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.



Acts 2: 38 Kefa answered them, "Turn from sin, return to God, and each of you be immersed on the authority of Yeshua the Messiah into forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Ruach HaKodesh!



1 Corinthians 6:19 - What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?



1 Corinthians 6: 19 Or don't you know that your body is a temple for the Ruach HaKodesh who lives inside you, whom you received from God? The fact is, you don't belong to yourselves;



These are just a few Scriptures for reference purposes.



QUESTION:

If one denies the existence of the Holy Spirit, is that what the unpardonable sin is:



Matthew, Chapter 12 KJV:



31Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.



Matthew Chapter 12 CJB



31 Because of this, I tell you that people will be forgiven any sin and blasphemy, but blaspheming the Ruach HaKodesh will not be forgiven.

32 One can say something against the Son of Man and be forgiven; but whoever keeps on speaking against the Ruach HaKodesh will never be forgiven, neither in the `olam hazeh nor in the `olam haba.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

 

[UnoiAmarah]

If one denies the existence of the Holy Spirit, is that what the unpardonable sin is:

So someone who is evil knew how to give good gifts to their children, then what do you think their father the devil would give them if they asked? Source

Spoiler: Precision vs Economy

The Holy Ghost is a phasma, a living entity of invisible light.

 

[GWH]

Holy Spirit

(defined KJV_
(excerpt)

New Testament. Although relatively infrequent in his Old Testament appearances, the Spirit now emerges to dominate the theology and experience of the major New Testament witnesses. The term "Holy Spirit" (pneuma [pneu'ma] hagion [a&gion]) becomes common, although the absolute use remains frequent and "Spirit of God/the Lord" and even "Spirit of Christ" appear too. A distinct personality emerges and, ultimately, explicit trinitarian teaching.

(here)
Holy Spirit Meaning - Bible Definition and References
Complete Jewish Bible

In Judaism, the Holy Spirit (Hebrew: רוח הקודש, ruach ha-kodesh) refers to the divine force, quality, and influence of God over the universe or over God's creatures in giving contexts

Holy Spirit in Judaism
Scriptures about the Holy Spirit:

John 16:13 - Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
13 However, when the Spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own initiative but will say only what he hears. He will also announce to you the events of the future.
(CJB)

John 14:26 - But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John 14:26 CJB: 26 But the Counselor, the Ruach HaKodesh, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you everything; that is, he will remind you of everything I have said to you.
Acts 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2: 38 Kefa answered them, "Turn from sin, return to God, and each of you be immersed on the authority of Yeshua the Messiah into forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Ruach HaKodesh!
1 Corinthians 6:19 - What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
1 Corinthians 6: 19 Or don't you know that your body is a temple for the Ruach HaKodesh who lives inside you, whom you received from God? The fact is, you don't belong to yourselves;

These are just a few Scriptures for reference purposes.

QUESTION:
If one denies the existence of the Holy Spirit, is that what the unpardonable sin is:

Matthew, Chapter 12 KJV:
31Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Matthew Chapter 12 CJB
31 Because of this, I tell you that people will be forgiven any sin and blasphemy, but blaspheming the Ruach HaKodesh will not be forgiven.
32 One can say something against the Son of Man and be forgiven; but whoever keeps on speaking against the Ruach HaKodesh will never be forgiven, neither in the `olam hazeh nor in the `olam haba.

Per Heb. 6:4-6, the unpardonable sin of blasphemy is apostasy.

 

[wattie]

The Pharisees and scribes were blaspheming by attributing Jesus's work to the Devil.

So.. they weren't believers to begin with

They were denying who Jesus is.

I wouldn't apply this blasphemy to believers. Not something they can do.

 

[GWH]

The Pharisees and scribes were blaspheming by attributing Jesus's work to the Devil.

So.. they weren't believers to begin with

They were denying who Jesus is.

I wouldn't apply this blasphemy to believers. Not something they can do.

The writer of Hebrews 6:4-6 (Paul?, cf. Heb. 10:23-39) applied blasphemy/apostasy to believers as possible,
so I would not disagree.

 

[p_rehbein]

(zombie thread... )

Didn't remember this one..........well, not right off

 

[wattie]

The writer of Hebrews 6:4-6 (Paul?, cf. Heb. 10:23-39) applied blasphemy/apostasy to believers as possible,
so I would not disagree.

Weeell..

The end of Hebrews 5 talks about believers maturing, with Hebrews 6 going more on that.

It is a hypothetical in Hebrews 6.. IF they fall away ..

And 'fall away'.. doesn't mean 'lose eternal life'.

Also ... previous context is of sacrificing of animals to please God. Which Jesus nullified with His one sacrifice for all.

So.. 'cannot be renewed to repentance'.. the believer is already converted. They are to 'leave the elementary principles' and go on to maturity in their faith.

They would be 'tredding under foot' the Son of God.. by returning to animal sacrifices, that the Hebrew believers were returning to.

Doesn't mean they lose eternal life.

 

[GWH]

Weeell..

The end of Hebrews 5 talks about believers maturing, with Hebrews 6 going more on that.

It is a hypothetical in Hebrews 6.. IF they fall away ..

And 'fall away'.. doesn't mean 'lose eternal life'.

Also ... previous context is of sacrificing of animals to please God. Which Jesus nullified with His one sacrifice for all.

So.. 'cannot be renewed to repentance'.. the believer is already converted. They are to 'leave the elementary principles' and go on to maturity in their faith.

They would be 'tredding under foot' the Son of God.. by returning to animal sacrifices, that the Hebrew believers were returning to.

Doesn't mean they lose eternal life.

Being impossible for those who fall away to be brought back to repentance (Heb. 6:4-6), needing to persevere so that you will receive what God has promised, and shrinking back and being destroyed rather than believing and being saved (Heb. 10:36&39) sounds like losing eternal life to me.

And the public disgrace (Heb. 6:6) seems akin to blasphemy (Matt. 12:31).

 

[tablet123]

There is one God who is a Holy Spirit, and Father is a title for God, and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.

The Holy Spirit is the substance of God and His character.

Jesus was in the flesh and the Holy Spirit being is God in spiritual form instead of in the flesh.

1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things.

Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

The Bible says there is one God the Father not a trinity.

Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh.

Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

The Son is the man Christ Jesus.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

The Son shall be called the everlasting Father for there is only one God the Father.

Which Jesus told Philip if he had seen Him then He has seen the Father and the Father that dwells in Him does the works.

Let us make man in our image.

Adam made in the image of God.

New Testament. Adam made in the image of Christ.

God created Adam in the image He would show up in the future.

Let us make man in our image God the Father and the man Christ Jesus.

Baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

Not names but titles and name is singular.

Jesus came in the name of the Father.

Son inherited the name from the Father.

Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.

Jews, Samaritans, and Gentiles baptized in the name of Jesus.

Everything we do in word or deed do all in the name of Jesus.

The man Christ Jesus is the mediator between God and men.

Jesus said all power is given unto me in heaven and earth.

David said the LORD said unto my Lord sit at my right hand "until" I make your enemies my footstool.

For the Son must reign be at the right hand "until" His enemies are conquered and then the Son shall stop being at the right.

Jesus at the right hand means God exalted the man Christ Jesus to exercise the throne of power for a temporary time.

There is only one throne in heaven and one who sits on the throne.

The throne of God and the Lamb who is God in the glorified body of the man Christ.

Jesus is the only person we will see in heaven which if you have seen Him then you have seen the Father.

2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Luk 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

If a person goes back to sin they will lose salvation.

This is correctable but some do not correct.

Some were not saved in the first place not having the right understanding of repentance.

They never ceased from sin at all.

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

If a person stops believing the truth for another reality whether atheist, or another religion, they will lose salvation.

Which this is not correctable for they cannot be saved again.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

These people departed from the faith to believe an alternate reality a different interpretation of the Bible and they cannot be saved again.

They departed from the faith so the had faith at one time.

Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
Heb 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

If a person draws back from faith then they must of had faith.

I understand if a person says they don't believe they will fall from the faith.

But don't say it is not possible that a person cannot fall from faith.

1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

And they better watch out themselves.

Mar 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
Mar 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
Mar 3:30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is attributing evil to God.

 

[wattie]

Being impossible for those who fall away to be brought back to repentance (Heb. 6:4-6), needing to persevere so that you will receive what God has promised, and shrinking back and being destroyed rather than believing and being saved (Heb. 10:36&39) sounds like losing eternal life to me.

And the public disgrace (Heb. 6:6) seems akin to blasphemy (Matt. 12:31).

Well..what precedes is:

Hebrews 5:12-14 KJV - 2 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

Then we go to Hebrews 6:

Hebrews 6:1-3 KJV - Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit.

So..

That is what leads to Hebrews 6:4.. showing Hebrew believers, who were going back to animal sacrifice..to go on to maturity..leaving the elementary principles.. repentance from dead works.

Then it goes on to 'for it is impossible, for those who have tasted the heavenly gift etc.......... if the fall away to renew them to repentance'

So not sure where eternal life is lost here..it's all about leaving basic doctrine and going on to maturity in the faith for the Hebrew believers..who were going back to the elementary principles..and also were going back to animal sacrifice practice.

 

[GWH]

Well..what precedes is:

Hebrews 5:12-14 KJV - 2 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

Then we go to Hebrews 6:

Hebrews 6:1-3 KJV - Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit.

So..

That is what leads to Hebrews 6:4.. showing Hebrew believers, who were going back to animal sacrifice..to go on to maturity..leaving the elementary principles.. repentance from dead works.

Then it goes on to 'for it is impossible, for those who have tasted the heavenly gift etc.......... if the fall away to renew them to repentance'

So not sure where eternal life is lost here..it's all about leaving basic doctrine and going on to maturity in the faith for the Hebrew believers..who were going back to the elementary principles..and also were going back to animal sacrifice practice.

Yes, going on to maturity and not committing apostasy per Heb. 10:19-39.

Lost eternal life is here in "if they fall away to renew them to repentance".
No unrepentant sinner will be in heaven.

 

[Lamar]

The Pharisees and scribes were blaspheming by attributing Jesus's work to the Devil.

Quite true.

Pentecostals and Charismatics are doing the same by attributing their babble and claims of supernatural abilities as works of the Holy Spirit.

 

[GWH]

Quite true.

Pentecostals and Charismatics are doing the same by attributing their babble and claims of supernatural abilities as works of the Holy Spirit.

Interesting juxtaposition, but true of those who claim tongues are the sign of Spirit baptism or filling,
when GW clearly teaches love is such (John 13:35, Rom. 5:5, Gal. 5:22-23, 1Cor. 13).

 

[Lamar]

Interesting juxtaposition, but true of those who claim tongues are the sign of Spirit baptism or filling,
when GW clearly teaches love is such (John 13:35, Rom. 5:5, Gal. 5:22-23, 1Cor. 13).

They are modern day Simon Magus's.

Claiming to have supernatural abilities directly from God.

This goes for all of them, regardless of what or how many supernatural abilities they claim to have.

They are a cancer on faith without sight and Christianity in general.

 

[tourist]

So someone who is evil knew how to give good gifts to their children, then what do you think their father the devil would give them if they asked? Source

Spoiler: Precision vs Economy

The Holy Ghost is a phasma, a living entity of invisible light.

Probably a scorpion or a poisonous snake.

 

[GWH]

They are modern day Simon Magus's.

Claiming to have supernatural abilities directly from God.

This goes for all of them, regardless of what or how many supernatural abilities they claim to have.

They are a cancer on faith without sight and Christianity in general.

Yes, "they" being the extremists/dogmatics I mentioned.
I know many Pentecostals and Charismatics who disagree with "them".

As an impressionable Baptist teenager my faith was depressed by not having the direct line to God or seeing the miracles "they" claimed until I read more Scripture and learned the truth that "they" falsely identified emotionalism/tongues with spirituality. Then I became satisfied with walking by faith instead of trying to prove my faith as I suspect "they" wanted to do.

 

[Edify]

Many modern Pentecostals have left the old paths, running after excitement, praising themselves instead of God.
Meism is the thing apostates do now, & those that do will burn for it.

 

[TylerTaws1989]

In the New Testament with Jesus Christ and Beezelbub Jesus Christ said, "Blasphemy against the son of man can be forgiven but blasphemy against the holy Spirit can never be forgiven." In the Old Testament the punishment for blasphemy is death. The punishment for blasphemy is in the scriptures of Leviticus which is Abrahamic levitical law. The Levite priest and the chief priest. The Levite priest is who you go to for advice on living a kosher clean lifestyle and how to keep the soul and spirit ritually clean and kosher. S chief priest is who is in charge of the church and overlooks the church or synagogues interpretations, emphasis and doctrines as well as rituals involving the church or synagogue. The Levite priest work for the chief priest. God is the creator in Genesis. God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son through the Virgin Mary to pay for all of humanities sins on the Holy Cross and whoever believes in him shall not perish but live ever lasting life in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

Probably a scorpion or a poisonous snake.

Then what is the good gift that those who are evil give their children?