Let me clarify the question. I think you do not understand it. The question is: which God was Abraham speaking to?
How do preachers or teachers explain this?
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Let me clarify the question. I think you do not understand it. The question is: which God was Abraham speaking to?
I will repeat: 3 equals 1 cannot be the truth because it contradicts John 3:12. Even if only one word in the Holy Scriptures is contradicted, it is already a contradiction of God, because God is the Word.
Yes of course. Isn't He yours? He is called "Saviour" over 20 times in the New Testament. Just one example:
(Tit 1:4 NKJV) To Titus, a true son in our common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Savior.
That is what I thought you meant. However, in the verses we were discussing, Abraham isn't talking to anybody. Jesus is talking. Jesus says, "Abraham rejoiced to see my day," and "Before Abraham was, I am." Did you perhaps mean, "Who did Abraham speak to in the Old Testament?" If so, I cannot think of anywhere where we are told that He spoke specifically to the Father, or to the Son, or to the Holy Spirit. Just that he spoke to God. For example:
(Gen 17:18 NKJV) And Abraham said to God, "Oh, that Ishmael might live before You!"
Even with regard to earthly things, we sometimes have multiple items forming a complete whole. I mentioned elsewhere that four musicians make one string quartet. Then we have eleven players making one football (soccer) team, and several people making one family. In the Bible, we have twelve tribes forming one nation. Why should not one God exist as Father, Son and Holy Spirit? John 3:12 says:
(Joh 3:12 NKJV) If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?
Saying that God exists as Father, Son and Holy Spirit is not a contradiction of that verse.
If your Savior is the Lord Jesus, the Son of God, how do you reconcile that with what God the Father said? According to Him, God the Father alone is the only Savior, and there is no other.
ISAIAH 43:11
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.
The truth is that Abraham was not speaking to any other God but God the Father alone, and no one else.
For God the Father alone is the One who speaks throughout the Old Testament, and there is no other.
Who do think Jesus is? He told us plainly. Read carefully....
John 8
19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.20 These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come.
21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.
22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.
23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.
26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.
1 Timothy 3
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.According to the earthly examples you provided, a string quartet is a group of musicians.
A football team is a group of players.
A family consists of parents and children.
If those analogies are valid, would you then say that the doctrine of the Trinity teaches that God is a group of gods?
You seem to have a problem with accepting that the Bible makes clear that Jesus Christ is fully God as well as (since His incarnation) being fully Man. Many times Jesus is called "Saviour" in the New Testament, and He Himself said that He had come to seek and save. The angel said to the shepherds:
(Luk 2:11 NKJV) For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.
Paul wrote to Timothy:
(2Ti 1:8-10 NKJV) Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God, who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began, but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,
The angel said to Joseph:
(Mat 1:21 NKJV) And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins."
Jesus Christ saves sinners. In other words He is the Saviour.
But it's one string quartet, one football team, one family. They are of course not perfect illustrations of one God existing as Father, Son and Holy Spirit, but God is one, like the string quartet, the football team and the family. So of course i am not saying that the idea of the Trinity means that God is a group of Gods. It doesn't. One God, Who exist as Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
From your own words, it is evident why God exposed you long ago.
Although the words you speak are the words of God, everything comes only from yourself.
You alone decide for yourself what you want to do.
That is evidence that you do not know the one true God.
Therefore, no truth can be found in your words.
For that is not how the Lord instructed His chosen ones.
They do not decide for themselves what they want to do.
As for us, God's chosen people, we obey His commands.
It is His will that we follow.
But your way is the opposite.
Here is the Lord Jesus' instruction to His chosen ones: the Lord said that if people do not receive you, you should leave them.
Your practice is the opposite. When people do not receive you, you do not leave them. Instead, you continue pursuing them and refuse to leave them alone.
MATTHEW 10:14
14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
However, there is someone who is like you in what you are doing.
God revealed that the devil disguises himself as an angel of light in order to deceive others. And he instructed his followers to do the same.
2 CORINTHIANS 11:14-15
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Therefore, what his followers do is contrary to the Lord’s instruction to His chosen ones. They do not leave the people who refuse to accept them. Instead, they diligently and carefully watch for an opportunity to attack and devour.
1 PETER 5:8
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
Therefore, every word you say is without truth.
You once said that the things written in the Holy Scriptures are clear.
The statements found in the verses are the truth.
The Lord Jesus is the Savior.
Because that is the message of God the Father when He sent the angel to speak to Joseph so that he would not leave the Virgin Mary. The angel said, "Mary will give birth to the Savior."
But my question to you is this:
How do you reconcile that with what God the Father said in Isaiah 43:11, that God the Father alone is the only Savior and that there is no other?
ISAIAH 43:11
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.
May I ask again? Perhaps you just did not see my question, which is why you were not able to answer it.
1. Have you researched where the Trinitarian belief originated?
2. And since you often say that the truth can be found in the Holy Scriptures, do you know of anything written in the Bible about the word Trinity?
Because there is no specific mention of the Father in Isaiah 43:11. The Fact that Jesus Christ is the Saviour shows that He is God, because apart from the Lord God there is no Saviour.
1. I find the teaching that there is one God Who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit in the Bible.
2. The word Trinity is not in the Bible. What is important is whether what the word Trinity means (One God in three "Persons" is in the Bible. I have quoted John 1:1-3 & 14 which show that the Son is God, and Peter's words to Ananias from Acts 5 which show that the Holy Spirit is God. There are all sorts of words and phrases that Christians use that are not in the Bible, but what those words and phrases mean is in the Bible. Here are some examples: prayer meeting, missionary, Bible study, gospel outreach. In each case, what those words and phrases mean definitely is in the Bible.
There is no doubt that God the Father is God. But if the Son of God, Jesus, is also God, and the Holy Spirit is also God, how do you reconcile that with the Father's own statement that He alone is the one true God and that there is no other besides Him?
God the Father said, for God the Father alone is the one and only Savior.
ISAIAH 43:10-11
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.
How would you refute this?