How do preachers or teachers explain this?

[dkontner]

I suddenly became interested in the verse you posted.
But I have a question: Which God is being referred to in 1 Timothy 3:16 as the One who appeared in the flesh?

There is only ONE God and beside Him is NO savior. That's why Jesus said to Philip, "he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?"

 

[Godsgood]

Your theology seems to be so different to that of biblical Christianity that it is difficult for me to know how best to begin answering. I have tried posting words from the Bible where Jesus Christ accepts being addressed as "My Lord and my God!" by Thomas, and where He says and does things that only God can say or do, but still you ask me how I can reconcile the fact that In Isaiah 43 God says He is the only Saviour, and the New Testament saying that Jesus Christ is the Saviour. Jesus Christ, God the Father, and the Holy Spirit are all God. Those of us who believe that have no problem in reconciling the words in Isaiah 43 with the New Testaments many references to Jesus Christ as Saviour.

What you said is correct. God has revealed something different to me. I do not know if you will believe it. I have not studied in any Bible studies conducted in communities, and I certainly have not studied in a Bible school or seminary. I am just an ordinary person.

However, I am amazed by the truths that God reveals, even though I have not yet read even one-fourth of the Holy Scriptures. Through only a few verses in the Bible, God Himself introduced Himself to me. From that moment on, I suddenly began to understand the truth in His words.

Since then, I have also known whether a person is from God or not, through God's revelation of the truth found in His words.

When my understanding of the Lord Jesus came only from people or from my preacher, my understanding of God's Word was not like this. But when I came to know the Lord Jesus according to God's revelation, my understanding of His words became completely different.

That is why, if God were to appear today and ask about 1 John 4:2–3 and Revelation 4:2, I would be able to answer with complete truth. The reason is that He Himself has revealed who the true Jesus is, the One who came in the flesh, and who is the One seated on the one throne in heaven.

 

[Godsgood]

There is only ONE God and beside Him is NO savior. That's why Jesus said to Philip, "he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?"

What did the Lord Jesus mean to reveal to Philip in this passage?

And what is its relationship to 1 Timothy 3:16?

 

[DavidLamb]

What you said is correct. God has revealed something different to me. I do not know if you will believe it. I have not studied in any Bible studies conducted in communities, and I certainly have not studied in a Bible school or seminary. I am just an ordinary person.

However, I am amazed by the truths that God reveals, even though I have not yet read even one-fourth of the Holy Scriptures. Through only a few verses in the Bible, God Himself introduced Himself to me. From that moment on, I suddenly began to understand the truth in His words.

Since then, I have also known whether a person is from God or not, through God's revelation of the truth found in His words.

When my understanding of the Lord Jesus came only from people or from my preacher, my understanding of God's Word was not like this. But when I came to know the Lord Jesus according to God's revelation, my understanding of His words became completely different.

That is why, if God were to appear today and ask about 1 John 4:2–3 and Revelation 4:2, I would be able to answer with complete truth. The reason is that He Himself has revealed who the true Jesus is, the One who came in the flesh, and who is the One seated on the one throne in heaven.

In that case, if you are claiming private revelation from God, there is not much point in continuing discussing these matters with you, as we do not have the same basis for what we believe. I believe in the truth of God's word, the Bible. You believe in private revelations by God to you. I pray that you will come to know the truth of God's word.

 

[dkontner]

What did the Lord Jesus mean to reveal to Philip in this passage?

And what is its relationship to 1 Timothy 3:16?

I can't reveal that to you, only God can. Think on this...

John 8​

56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

 

[Godsgood]

You have said before that my understanding of the Lord Jesus comes from human teaching. You wite in this post: "We understand why the Lord Jesus is truly the Savior, and we also understand that God the Father is truly the one and only God" Who do you mean by "We"? I ask that because I have never come across anybody else who believes as you do. You say that Jesus Christ is not God, but then elsewhere you talk of "Jesus Christ in His role as God the Father." You say the Isaiah 43:10-11 must be only about God the Father, but those verses don't say that. You say that some parts of the Bible disagree with other parts (you asked, for example, how John 1:1-3 & 14, and John 5:19 can both be true). The truth certainly doesn't seem clear from your posts.

I asked you twice before if you would be willing to let me share with you what God has revealed about the one true God.
However, I did not hear any response from you.
So I assumed that you were not interested, and I decided not to continue.

 

[Dino246]

Both-And;
distinct but not divorced.

No, they are not “roles” at all.

A role is something a person does temporarily for a specific purpose, and put off or set aside when the purpose is achieved. An identity is something a person is and cannot be set aside.

God the Father is always God the Father. He doesn’t put that aside. God the Son is always God the Son.

 

[Dino246]

What you said is correct. God has revealed something different to me. I do not know if you will believe it. I have not studied in any Bible studies conducted in communities, and I certainly have not studied in a Bible school or seminary. I am just an ordinary person.

However, I am amazed by the truths that God reveals, even though I have not yet read even one-fourth of the Holy Scriptures. Through only a few verses in the Bible, God Himself introduced Himself to me. From that moment on, I suddenly began to understand the truth in His words.

Since then, I have also known whether a person is from God or not, through God's revelation of the truth found in His words.

When my understanding of the Lord Jesus came only from people or from my preacher, my understanding of God's Word was not like this. But when I came to know the Lord Jesus according to God's revelation, my understanding of His words became completely different.

That is why, if God were to appear today and ask about 1 John 4:2–3 and Revelation 4:2, I would be able to answer with complete truth. The reason is that He Himself has revealed who the true Jesus is, the One who came in the flesh, and who is the One seated on the one throne in heaven.

You have welcomed a false spirit who is happy to teach you errors while pretending to be God.

 

[GWH]

No, they are not “roles” at all.

A role is something a person does temporarily for a specific purpose, and put off or set aside when the purpose is achieved. An identity is something a person is and cannot be set aside.

God the Father is always God the Father. He doesn’t put that aside. God the Son is always God the Son.

Not sure why you balk at referring to Father and Son as eternal roles, because the Bible does, so please explain.
Role = relationship = person.

The OT Shema (Deut. 6:4) teaches that God is one, and the NT also affirms that there is one God (Eph. 4:6, 1Tim. 2:5). However, the NT teaches that God relates to believers in three ways simultaneously: as the Father, as the Son and as the Holy Spirit (1 x 1 x 1=1).

The Father/Parenthood of God is indicated in Jesus’ model prayer (Matt. 6:9), throughout the Gospel of John (John 3:35, 5:17-18, etc.), and in the epistles of Paul (Rom. 4:11, 8:15, Phil. 2:11). God the Father and Christ’s Sonship are discussed in Heb. 1:1-4. The Son of God also is mentioned by John (John 1:14, 3:16, etc.) and by Paul (Rom. 1:4, Gal. 2:20, 1Thes. 1:10). The Holy Spirit is mentioned in three successive chapters in John (John 14:26, 15:26, 16:13), frequently in the book of Acts (Acts 1:5, 2:4, 9:17, 13:2, 19:2), and in many of Paul’s letters (Rom. 8:4-26, 1Cor. 6:19, Eph. 4:30) as well as in some of the other epistles (2Pet. 1:21, Jude 20).

Apparently, Christians failed to explain to Mohammed (c. 610) how God is able to relate to Himself and to creation as a Triunity, and so the prophet’s teaching stressed that there is one God and implied that the Christian gospel is false. It might have been helpful for him and others who stumble at NT doctrines to discern which aspect of the triune God is the subject of various biblical statements. These divine aspects or “persons” may be distinguished by role: God the Father as creator or initiator (Gen. 1:1), God the Son as Messiah or mediator (1Tim. 2:5), and God the Spirit as indweller (Rom. 5:5). For example, 1John 4:7 says love comes from (is initiated by) God (the Father), Gal. 5:22 says that love is a fruit of the (indwelling) Spirit, and Eph. 3:18 speaks of the (mediating) love of Christ (Rom. 5:8, Eph. 2:18).

We can denote these distinctions by the use of three prepositions: God the Father is over all creation (Eph. 4:6), God the Son is Immanuel or with humanity (Matt. 1:23), and the Holy Spirit is within all believers (Eph. 1:13). A single passage that comes closest to indicating this distinction is Eph. 3:14-19, in which Paul prays to the Father that through His Spirit of love Christ would dwell in believers’ hearts (also see 1Cor. 8:6).

 

[frederickdoc]

How does Jesus saying that He would not drink of the fruit of the vine until the day when He would drink it new with His disciples affect the matter of His divinity?

(Mat 26:29 NKJV) But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father's kingdom."

Well 3 men wrote similar what Jesus spoke.Then ther is me and ither that that hiky Spirit write inside .like We Told you Before The King Brings The Gift The Bread &The New Wine this is written in myself and scripture leads to All Truth .i add a scripture of another

• Luke 22:18: "For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God Shall Come."

Find it interesting that Jesus Only broke bread then also fish to mend them. This Is Jesus King of Peace! See many read the bible But Dont know The Word is supposed to be Inside Sealed in Truth of The Spirit of Truth The Holy Spirit By Jesus Baptism This would be All The Water then The Blood Then Fire burning within

 

[Dino246]

Not sure why you balk at referring to Father and Son as eternal roles, because the Bible does, so please explain.
Role = relationship = person.

I reject your equivalence as false. The meanings of the words don’t support it.

 

[JohnDB]

Here we go....
I LIKED what this lady is saying.
Dunno where she got this from....but i still like what she is telling.

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[frederickdoc]

I asked you twice before if you would be willing to let me share with you what God has revealed about the one true God.
However, I did not hear any response from you.
So I assumed that you were not interested, and I decided not to continue.

God knows me well go ahead give me a word ,He should be able to get my attention NP make It not to long lol

 

[frederickdoc]

Here we go....
I LIKED what this lady is saying.
Dunno where she got this from....but i still like what she is telling.

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[GWH]

I reject your equivalence as false. The meanings of the words don’t support it.

I supported the equivalence with Scripture, so please support you disagreement the same way.

 

[JohnDB]

Can t see it, a what did you see there alot in that passage from two stick to firgiven by soeaking Truth the first Greek interpretation of Messiah Nation jesus soeaj to a forbidden People

Ok....
I'm not understanding a word you are trying to say....

Try again.

What exactly are you saying about what this lady is explaining?

 

[JohnDB]

The woman at the well story....
Jesus blatantly admits he is the Messiah.

But the symbolic representation of Moses, Jacob, and Isaac's wife all three....too much to ignore.

The 5 groups? Meh...not so hot for that concept. The samaritans wanted to worship but misprinted Torah scrolls wasn't gonna cut it.

The "Bride of Christ" reference is just too freaking much to pass up on. Sure, the woman is a angry lil troublemaker who cant stay married....but that is also used to complete the whole picture and typology.

Nobody can reproduce the miracle of scripture.....nobody!

 

[Roger316]

Here we go....
I LIKED what this lady is saying.
Dunno where she got this from....but i still like what she is telling.

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I’ve NEVER noticed this connection before! The “Woman at the Well” is a brilliant, multi-layered passage in John 4, and though I’ve heard countless sermons on it, I’d never pieced this all together.....

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Some of us don't have Facebook. Can you summarize what she said?

 

[JohnDB]

Some of us don't have Facebook. Can you summarize what she said?

I dont have Facebook...

I dont understand why you can't see this.

 

[Roger316]

I dont have Facebook...

I dont understand why you can't see this.

Okay. Thanks. When I click on it I get a Facebook login page. You know, computers. Can't live with 'em; Can't live without 'em.