How do preachers or teachers explain this?

[Dino246]

I would encourage you to read the whole of the Bible. It is all God's revelation to mankind. If you have only ever read less than a quarter of it, you have missed so much of what God has revealed.

If it is true that a person must read the entire Holy Bible in order to learn more

That's not what he said. Again you misrepresent his words.

then why is it that the different groups within Christianity today have people who have not only read the entire Bible but have also studied it for five to ten years? Yet, after completing their studies, they all say the same thing: that God is mysterious and cannot be known.

Some people say that. Most people who have read and studied do not say that. Certainly not "all". I think you're just blowing smoke and have no actual data to support your very loaded question.

How, then, can you prove to the people you are encouraging that they should read the entire Holy Bible?

Huh? That's not even relevant to the above issue.

 

[Dino246]

If you are going to follow the Lord Jesus’ command exactly, and you say that it is not a dark saying, then you should show the great things the Lord Jesus has done for you only to those who are in your own household.
This would include your parents and siblings. If you have your own family, it would include your wife and children.

To follow the Lord’s command exactly, you should show it only to them, because they are the ones who are in “thine own house.”
LUKE 8:39
39 Return to thine own house, and shew how great things God hath done unto thee. And he went his way, and published throughout the whole city how great things Jesus had done unto him.

Those words were spoken to that man. They were not spoken to us and are not a command to us.

 

[Dino246]

If you believe that the Book of Life will only be seen in the future, this is because people understand God’s words literally. Since they cannot literally see their names written in the Holy Book, they therefore preach that the Book of Life will only be revealed or seen at some future time.

No, we teach that the Book of Life will only be revealed later because that's what God teaches us in the text.

However, this belief is contrary to what the Lord said in Matthew 24:35, that His words will not pass away.

Nope, not even a little.

However, we who have come to know the one true God have been given the revelation that the Book of Life He is referring to is the Holy Bible, the words of God that contain His revelation of the truth in His words, which gives life.

Again with the "we who have come to know the one true God" blather. Every time you use that phrase, I expect some wacky claim. You haven't disappointed here.

And through God’s revelation, we clearly see our names written in the Book of Life.
Therefore, we testify to people about this truth.

Your claim that you "clearly see" your names written in the Book of Life is a lie because it contradicts Scripture which states that the Book of Life is closed (and therefore unreadable) until the judgment.

 

[Godsgood]

If the Bible is God's word, why should we be satisfied with reading only parts of what He has revealed?

I cannot prove that to anybody. All I can say again is that as the whole Bible is God's word, it is wrong to neglect parts of it.

Who are the "us" whop don't partake in Bible studies? It seems strange that you almost boast that you have only read a small part of the Bible, that you don't attend Bible studies, yet here on Christian Chat you proclaim what you believe based on what is in the Bible. You write a lot about God revealing things, yet you have not read most of what He has revealed in His word!

If the Bible is God's word, why should we be satisfied with reading only parts of what He has revealed?

My point here is this: Who is more blessed, the person who has read the entire Holy Bible but, afterward, preaches that God is mysterious, or the person who has read only a small portion of it, yet God was able to reveal Himself to that person?

Therefore, is the person who has read only a little but has come to know God and shares with others that God is not mysterious actually the more blessed one?

 

[Godsgood]

If the Bible is God's word, why should we be satisfied with reading only parts of what He has revealed?

I cannot prove that to anybody. All I can say again is that as the whole Bible is God's word, it is wrong to neglect parts of it.

Who are the "us" whop don't partake in Bible studies? It seems strange that you almost boast that you have only read a small part of the Bible, that you don't attend Bible studies, yet here on Christian Chat you proclaim what you believe based on what is in the Bible. You write a lot about God revealing things, yet you have not read most of what He has revealed in His word!

I cannot prove that to anybody. All I can say again is that as the whole Bible is God's word, it is wrong to neglect parts of it.

And just because we came to know the one true God through reading only a small portion of the Holy Scriptures does not mean that we disregard everything else that is written.

Just think about it: through the little that we have read, we came to know the one true God. So now that we continue to read His Word, imagine how much more truth He will reveal to us and how much more He will teach us.

 

[Godsgood]

If the Bible is God's word, why should we be satisfied with reading only parts of what He has revealed?

I cannot prove that to anybody. All I can say again is that as the whole Bible is God's word, it is wrong to neglect parts of it.

Who are the "us" whop don't partake in Bible studies? It seems strange that you almost boast that you have only read a small part of the Bible, that you don't attend Bible studies, yet here on Christian Chat you proclaim what you believe based on what is in the Bible. You write a lot about God revealing things, yet you have not read most of what He has revealed in His word!

Who are the "us" whop don't partake in Bible studies? It seems strange that you almost boast that you have only read a small part of the Bible, that you don't attend Bible studies, yet here on Christian Chat you proclaim what you believe based on what is in the Bible. You write a lot about God revealing things, yet you have not read most of what He has revealed in His word!

In answer to your question about who “we” are:
I have companions who have also come to know the one true God.
We were sent by God separately, just as He sent His disciples after Pentecost.
I am the one sent by the Lord here to share the truth in His words.

I have already given you evidence as a basis for this.
There are people who have not only read the entire Bible but have studied it for five to ten years.
I am sure that some of them may even have memorized the entire book.
Yet after all that, what they preach is, “God is mysterious.”

But we, who have come to know the one true God, came to know Him through reading only a small portion of the Holy Scriptures.
We understand that God Himself guided us as to which parts we should read so that we could come to know Him.

 

[Godsgood]

Because it is in heaven, and it is closed, until it will be opened when the judgement at the great white throne takes place. That is in no way contrary to Matthew 24:35:

Mat 24:35 The heaven and the earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

That says nothing about where the book of life is, or whether anybody can read it now.

If the book of life in Revelation meant the Bible, how would the names of every Christian appear in the Bible? And as the book of life will only be opened at the white throne judgement, how do we have the Bible to read now?

Because it is in heaven, and it is closed, until it will be opened when the judgement at the great white throne takes place. That is in no way contrary to Matthew 24:35:

If the Lord permits, I will share it. We who have come to know the one true God, although we are still here in this world, are already in the first heaven. Therefore, through God’s revelation, we can see our names written in the Book of Life.

 

[Godsgood]

Because it is in heaven, and it is closed, until it will be opened when the judgement at the great white throne takes place. That is in no way contrary to Matthew 24:35:

Mat 24:35 The heaven and the earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

That says nothing about where the book of life is, or whether anybody can read it now.

If the book of life in Revelation meant the Bible, how would the names of every Christian appear in the Bible? And as the book of life will only be opened at the white throne judgement, how do we have the Bible to read now?

Mat 24:35 The heaven and the earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

That says nothing about where the book of life is, or whether anybody can read it now.

To us who have come to know the one true God, God has revealed that the Book of Life we have with us today is the Holy Book that gives life, or salvation.

 

[Godsgood]

Because it is in heaven, and it is closed, until it will be opened when the judgement at the great white throne takes place. That is in no way contrary to Matthew 24:35:

Mat 24:35 The heaven and the earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

That says nothing about where the book of life is, or whether anybody can read it now.

If the book of life in Revelation meant the Bible, how would the names of every Christian appear in the Bible? And as the book of life will only be opened at the white throne judgement, how do we have the Bible to read now?

If the book of life in Revelation meant the Bible, how would the names of every Christian appear in the Bible? And as the book of life will only be opened at the white throne judgement, how do we have the Bible to read now?

Because your understanding of God’s Word is based only on its literal meaning.
And you yourself have said that what is written in the Holy Scriptures is already complete.
Therefore, no matter what you do, you will not actually be able to read the names of those who truly follow the Lord Jesus.

But we who have come to know the one true God have received God’s revelation that what is written in the Holy Scriptures is not yet truth by itself.
The words written in the Holy Scriptures must first be revealed by God before they can be regarded as truth.

Therefore, God has revealed this to us, and we can clearly see our names written in the Holy Scriptures as the Book of Life.

 

[Godsgood]

No, we teach that the Book of Life will only be revealed later because that's what God teaches us in the text.


Nope, not even a little.


Again with the "we who have come to know the one true God" blather. Every time you use that phrase, I expect some wacky claim. You haven't disappointed here.


Your claim that you "clearly see" your names written in the Book of Life is a lie because it contradicts Scripture which states that the Book of Life is closed (and therefore unreadable) until the judgment.

Your claim that you "clearly see" your names written in the Book of Life is a lie because it contradicts Scripture which states that the Book of Life is closed (and therefore unreadable) until the judgment.

Why would I lie?
What would I gain by lying?
Is it just to make you think that I know more about God’s Word than you do?
The truth is, I do not introduce myself to anyone.
I avoid doing that so that people will focus on what I share rather than on me.

The Book of Life, or the Holy Scriptures, is closed only to those who have not come to know the one true God.
That is why, no matter what they do, they cannot see it.
But we who have come to know the one true God, through God’s revelation to us, can clearly see that our names are written in the Book of Life.
That is why we testify to this before others.


And since what we are discussing concerns spiritual life, truth should prevail in spiritual matters.

The truth is, I do not see your name written in the Book of Life.

 

[Godsgood]

Yes. If I were that man, I would have done what Jesus told me to do. I would have gone home, and shown people that Jesus had done such great things for me that I was no longer rampaging around naked amongst the tombs, but was "clothed and in my right mind."
Indeed, that is what the man himself did, for we read:

Luke 8:39 And he went his way, and published throughout the whole city how great things Jesus had done unto him.

So obviously he didn't take the words of Jesus as a parable. He did exactly what Jesus said.

May I hear your comment or you don't want to?

You were the one who said that this is not a parable or a dark saying. Don’t you want to know whether what you said about the topic you brought up is actually true or not?


It’s different when someone else answers on your behalf. Have you forgotten the words, “work out your own salvation”? That’s why you can’t have a spokesperson speaking for you.

If you are going to follow the Lord Jesus’ command exactly, and you say that it is not a dark saying, then you should show the great things the Lord Jesus has done for you only to those who are in your own household.
This would include your parents and siblings. If you have your own family, it would include your wife and children.

To follow the Lord’s command exactly, you should show it only to them, because they are the ones who are in “thine own house.”
LUKE 8:39
39 Return to thine own house, and shew how great things God hath done unto thee. And he went his way, and published throughout the whole city how great things Jesus had done unto him.

 

[DavidLamb]

If the Bible is God's word, why should we be satisfied with reading only parts of what He has revealed?

My point here is this: Who is more blessed, the person who has read the entire Holy Bible but, afterward, preaches that God is mysterious, or the person who has read only a small portion of it, yet God was able to reveal Himself to that person?

Therefore, is the person who has read only a little but has come to know God and shares with others that God is not mysterious actually the more blessed one?

Yes, it is possible to read the whole Bible and still to preach or teach wrong things about God. But you seemed to be saying that it was alright to remain ignorant of much of what Gid has revealed in the Bible. You have told us several times that you've read less than a quarter of it. If you had added the words "so far," that would have been fine, but it seemed to me (forgive me if I have misunderstood) that you have no desire or intention of reading the whole Bible.

 

[Dino246]

Why would I lie?
What would I gain by lying?

I don't know, and frankly, I don't care. You aren't speaking truth, therefore you are either deceived or lying.

Is it just to make you think that I know more about God’s Word than you do?

Obviously not, because given our interaction over the past year, it is clear to me that you don't.

The Book of Life, or the Holy Scriptures, is closed only to those who have not come to know the one true God.

Wrong! The Bible is NOT the Book of Life written of in Revelation and elsewhere. Your name is not written in the Bible, nor is mine. Nor are the names of the vast majority of believers.

The truth is, I do not see your name written in the Book of Life.

Your claim is laughably irrelevant on two counts:

Firstly, you cannot read it because it is closed until the judgment.

Secondly, and rather obviously, you don't know my name!

 

[Dino246]

Who are the "us" whop don't partake in Bible studies? It seems strange that you almost boast that you have only read a small part of the Bible, that you don't attend Bible studies, yet here on Christian Chat you proclaim what you believe based on what is in the Bible. You write a lot about God revealing things, yet you have not read most of what He has revealed in His word!

In answer to your question about who “we” are:
I have companions who have also come to know the one true God.
We were sent by God separately, just as He sent His disciples after Pentecost.
I am the one sent by the Lord here to share the truth in His words.

I have already given you evidence as a basis for this.
There are people who have not only read the entire Bible but have studied it for five to ten years.
I am sure that some of them may even have memorized the entire book.
Yet after all that, what they preach is, “God is mysterious.”

You generalize far too much, and therefore your "evidence" isn't evidence of anything except that you are easily convinced by foolish and deceptive arguments.

 

[Dino246]

If you are going to follow the Lord Jesus’ command exactly, and you say that it is not a dark saying, then you should show the great things the Lord Jesus has done for you only to those who are in your own household.
This would include your parents and siblings. If you have your own family, it would include your wife and children.

To follow the Lord’s command exactly, you should show it only to them, because they are the ones who are in “thine own house.”
LUKE 8:39
39 Return to thine own house, and shew how great things God hath done unto thee. And he went his way, and published throughout the whole city how great things Jesus had done unto him.

It's not a command to us today, generally.

 

[bytheblood]

He said.. these signs shall follow them that believe. Some believe in Jesus amen praise GOD yet they do not believe this. They will believe John 3:16-17 yet will not believe will not do what He said Luke 11:13.

He gave everyone power and authority of the enemy.. man I don't want to dive into this. When He said if you say unto this MTN be removed and cast into the sea. He said if you have faith. That right there. you can have faith great faith if you will yet He also said and doubt not. You find its so easy to pray for others yet your self you doubt you have the faith yet you doubt.

Its like they bring this kid back.. the 12 could not cast out the demon. Yet did not Christ give them all power all authority over the enemy? When they tried to cast it out.. something happened and as Christ said.. why did you doubt? Maybe Peter said..ooh didn't work for me John you try it .. haha just playing.

Peter and John at that gate. I love this..share it all the time. After that man was healed. They said .. why do you look at us as if we did this by our own power? That name faith in that name healed this man. See many times we try to do it.. its HIM. You have to have faith and doubt not. If you doubt let not that man think he will get anything from God.

So Christ said this.. and the works He did we also do.. its always Him.. not us.. its that name. faith in that name. You have to know this in your heart not your head. You can say the words and nothing.. you have to know that you know that you know. As one said.. you get it in to your heart and they cannot beat it out of you with a bat lol. Explain? He said it.. just do what He said.. use His name for HIS glory as He leads

All true, but we MUST be endued with power from above by being baptized with/in the Holy Spirit.

 

[bytheblood]

Don't you mean that they CLAIM to have left behind their old sinful selves because they have learned to avoid some of the more obvious results of a sinful nature such as harmful habits and vices? I know of no believer living on earth who has fully lost their sin nature, only ones who make some degree of effort to battle against it in themselves.

Jesus came to give us, those who believe in their hearts and confess with their mouths' the Lord Jesus and that God has raised Him from the dead, a new nature. The" old man " is dead. What is left for us to do is to " renew our minds " by the washing of water by the Word.

 

[bytheblood]

It's not a command to us today, generally.

You testify to your household FIRST, then just like the spreading of the Gospel, it fans out from there.

 

[Dino246]

You testify to your household FIRST, then just like the spreading of the Gospel, it fans out from there.

You are correct; that is how to apply the text in our lives.

 

[DavidLamb]

Because it is in heaven, and it is closed, until it will be opened when the judgement at the great white throne takes place. That is in no way contrary to Matthew 24:35:

If the Lord permits, I will share it. We who have come to know the one true God, although we are still here in this world, are already in the first heaven. Therefore, through God’s revelation, we can see our names written in the Book of Life.

But the book of life will only be opened at the judgement at the great white throne, so you cannot see inside it.