How do we distinguish false Christ & false Prophets according to Our Lord?

[Standard]

Unfortunately, many "Christian" men have disdain for women... usually because they misunderstand Scripture and their hearts aren't submitted to the Lord.

How so...?

 

[GWH]

Unfortunately, many "Christian" men have disdain for women... usually because they misunderstand Scripture and their hearts aren't submitted to the Lord.

Yes, beginning with ignoring the fact that Eve was created out of Adam's side to be his partner, not out of his foot to be his slave
(Gen. 2:18-24). One flesh (Matt. 19:5) = consensus (Eph. 5:21). Hence, Gal. 3:28.

 

[Dino246]

How so...?

Many "Christian" men have read Genesis 3:16 as though it instructs them to rule over their wives. They have read 1 Corinthians 14:35 as though it requires women to be in submission to men. They read 1 Timothy 2:12 as though it forbids women from doing anything but sitting and learning.

They ignore the obvious contextual complications that would make their conclusions untenable but sit content in their "superior" position.

 

[Standard]

Many "Christian" men have read Genesis 3:16 as though it instructs them to rule over their wives. They have read 1 Corinthians 14:35 as though it requires women to be in submission to men. They read 1 Timothy 2:12 as though it forbids women from doing anything but sitting and learning.

They ignore the obvious contextual complications that would make their conclusions untenable but sit content in their "superior" position.

Which ones...?

 

[Dino246]

Which ones...?

Can you provide some more words to explain your question?

 

[Standard]

Can you provide some more words to explain your question?

Which men? The ones I know, including myself don't do that and don't fully appreciate the accusation. Perhaps it's more of a you thing, I don't know. Perhaps you're just being woke and that's it....

 

[Dino246]

Which men? The ones I know, including myself don't do that and don't fully appreciate the accusation. Perhaps it's more of a you thing, I don't know. Perhaps you're just being woke and that's it....

For some reason you chose to interpret my comments as directed at you personally. That is not my intent.

 

[JohnDB]

 

[Godsgood]

REAL PROPHETS:
The chosen people of God, although they understand the word ‘woman,’ are still waiting for what God will reveal.
Because they know that the Lord Jesus speaks in parables (Mark 4:34).

Like the apostles, when the Lord Jesus said, ‘Destroy this temple,’ (John 2:19) it was clear to their understanding that He was referring to the literal temple where they were at the time, especially since He had just driven out the merchants inside it (John 2:17). Still, the apostles waited for what the Lord would later reveal to them.
And in their waiting, He revealed to them that the temple He was referring to was His body (John 2:21).

In the waiting of the true followers of the Lord Jesus, He revealed to them that the instruction about a woman who should remain silent is not referring to a literal woman. For all people are one in the sight of the Lord.
GALATIANS 3:28
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Because of the Lord’s warning in Proverbs 3:5, true prophets do not rely on their own understanding. Instead, they always ask the Lord. So they asked again who the woman the Lord was referring to is.
And this is what the Lord revealed: The Lord is united with His chosen ones. They are like husband and wife.
JEREMIAH 3:14
14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the Lord; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:

If God revealed that He is united with His chosen ones, it is still not clear who the man (husband) is and who the woman (wife) is. So the true chosen ones of the Lord asked again who the man is and who the woman is"?

And the Lord God then revealed who the man is and who the woman is.
The Lord God Himself is the man, and His chosen ones are the woman.
ISAIAH 54:5
5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the Lord of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

Thus, through the questions of the true chosen ones of God to the Lord, it became clear to them who the spiritual man (husband) is and who the spiritual woman (wife) is.
And they came to understand that people, whether male or female in gender, are all regarded as spiritual women in the presence of the Lord God.

In what God revealed, it became clear that He was not referring only to literal women as the ones who should keep silent and ask their husbands (1 Corinthians 14:34–35), but that all people are to remain silent.

Once again, the true chosen ones of God asked, ‘What about what we read in the Old Testament, such as Moses, whom You commanded to return to Egypt and speak to the Israelites and to Pharaoh? What about what Your disciples did on the day of Pentecost, when You also commanded them to speak to the people? What do You mean that we should remain silent as spiritual women?’

The true Prophets of God, in their waiting, were revealed by the Lord Jesus concerning earthly things and heavenly things.
JOHN 3:12
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

About earthly things: I myself heard a radio technician who was setting up a sound system for events. The technician said, ‘Whenever I set up a sound system, I make sure that the speakers are positioned correctly so that the only sound heard from them is the voice of the person speaking into the microphone. I also avoid any feedback coming from the speakers. The speakers should remain silent except for the speaker’s voice.

I related this to the reaction of Paul and Barnabas. They spoke and shared the truth with the people in Acts 14:7–14. When flowers and offerings were presented to them, they did not accept them, because Paul and Barnabas knew that the truth they shared did not come from themselves, but from God. Paul and Barnabas merely served as speakers, while God was the One speaking into the microphone. That is why they did not claim any reward or title for what they had done. Therefore, we do not read titles such as ‘Father Paul’ or ‘Pastor Barnabas.’ Like the olive tree, the fig tree, and the vine (Symbolizes the true prophets), they refused to be exalted or elected to such titles.”

It is clear that those chosen by God refuse to let themselves be exalted or appointed by men, because such titles rightfully belong to God alone
JUDGES 9:8-15
8 The trees went forth on a time to anoint a king over them; and they said unto the olive tree, Reign thou over us.
9 But the olive tree said unto them, Should I leave my fatness, wherewith by me they honour God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?
10 And the trees said to the fig tree, Come thou, and reign over us.
11 But the fig tree said unto them, Should I forsake my sweetness, and my good fruit, and go to be promoted over the trees?
12 Then said the trees unto the vine, Come thou, and reign over us.
13 And the vine said unto them, Should I leave my wine, which cheereth God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?
14 Then said all the trees unto the bramble, Come thou, and reign over us.
15 And the bramble said unto the trees, If in truth ye anoint me king over you, then come and put your trust in my shadow: and if not, let fire come out of the bramble, and devour the cedars of Lebanon.

Therefore, to the true Prophets of God, it is clear how they should fulfill the command of the Lord Jesus in 1 Corinthians 14:13–14.
1 CORINTHIANS 14:34-35
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

 

[Dino246]

The true Prophets of God, in their waiting, were revealed by the Lord Jesus concerning earthly things and heavenly things.
JOHN 3:12
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

About earthly things: I myself heard a radio technician who was setting up a sound system for events. The technician said, ‘Whenever I set up a sound system, I make sure that the speakers are positioned correctly so that the only sound heard from them is the voice of the person speaking into the microphone. I also avoid any feedback coming from the speakers. The speakers should remain silent except for the speaker’s voice.

I related this to the reaction of Paul and Barnabas. They spoke and shared the truth with the people in Acts 14:7–14. When flowers and offerings were presented to them, they did not accept them, because Paul and Barnabas knew that the truth they shared did not come from themselves, but from God. Paul and Barnabas merely served as speakers, while God was the One speaking into the microphone. That is why they did not claim any reward or title for what they had done. Therefore, we do not read titles such as ‘Father Paul’ or ‘Pastor Barnabas.’ Like the olive tree, the fig tree, and the vine (Symbolizes the true prophets), they refused to be exalted or elected to such titles.”

It is clear that those chosen by God refuse to let themselves be exalted or appointed by men, because such titles rightfully belong to God alone
JUDGES 9:8-15
8 The trees went forth on a time to anoint a king over them; and they said unto the olive tree, Reign thou over us.
9 But the olive tree said unto them, Should I leave my fatness, wherewith by me they honour God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?
10 And the trees said to the fig tree, Come thou, and reign over us.
11 But the fig tree said unto them, Should I forsake my sweetness, and my good fruit, and go to be promoted over the trees?
12 Then said the trees unto the vine, Come thou, and reign over us.
13 And the vine said unto them, Should I leave my wine, which cheereth God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?
14 Then said all the trees unto the bramble, Come thou, and reign over us.
15 And the bramble said unto the trees, If in truth ye anoint me king over you, then come and put your trust in my shadow: and if not, let fire come out of the bramble, and devour the cedars of Lebanon.

Therefore, to the true Prophets of God, it is clear how they should fulfill the command of the Lord Jesus in 1 Corinthians 14:13–14.
1 CORINTHIANS 14:34-35
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

It is ridiculous to discuss true and false promises and then say that true prophet should “fulfill the command” that is one if the most controversial passages in all of the New Testament. This passage is not about true versus false prophets or what they do.

As usual, you demonstrate that your understanding of Scripture is elementary at best and wacky at worst.

 

[Dino246]

It is ridiculous to discuss true and false promises and then say that true prophet should “fulfill the command” that is one if the most controversial passages in all of the New Testament. This passage is not about true versus false prophets or what they do.

As usual, you demonstrate that your understanding of Scripture is elementary at best and wacky at worst.

Edit: “to discuss true and false prophets….”

 

[Godsgood]

It is ridiculous to discuss true and false promises and then say that true prophet should “fulfill the command” that is one if the most controversial passages in all of the New Testament. This passage is not about true versus false prophets or what they do.

As usual, you demonstrate that your understanding of Scripture is elementary at best and wacky at worst.

For those who are seeking the truth.

What we are talking about here concerns eternal life. It is important for God to reveal who the false prophets are, because in their own belief they consider themselves true prophets. But in the sight of God, they are blind guides leading the blind, and therefore both will perish Matt 15:14.

And according to the Lord Jesus Christ, they are fully convinced that they belong to God. That is why they intentionally seek out people to bring them closer to God. But in reality, in the sight of God, they are leading people to destruction.
MATTHEW 23:15
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

God’s statement about who the false prophets are is clear.
They are the ones who fulfill the law in its literal meaning.
Meanwhile, the true prophets fulfill the law in a spiritual way.
That is why the Apostle Paul shared this truth
ROMANS 7:14
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

And for the true prophets of God, it is enough to share the truth with the people.

 

[Godsgood]

As usual, you demonstrate that your understanding of Scripture is elementary at best and wacky at worst.

LUKE 14:11
11 For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

1 CORINTHIANS 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

It is not surprising that false prophets are among us

 

[Dino246]

God’s statement about who the false prophets are is clear.
They are the ones who fulfill the law in its literal meaning.
Meanwhile, the true prophets fulfill the law in a spiritual way.

That is not what God said. You are deceived and confused.

You aren’t sharing truth; you are expanding error.

 

[Dino246]

LUKE 14:11
11 For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

1 CORINTHIANS 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

It is not surprising that false prophets are among us

God is well aware of your arrogance, error, and pretence.

 

[Godsgood]

God is well aware of your arrogance, error, and pretence.

False Prophets:
Although they preach the word of God, when the people listening to them do not accept them, they begin to speak negatively. Just like the Jews particularly Scribes and the Pharisees. Because the Lord Jesus did not accept their preaching or belief of the word of God (and because they were hurt by the truth that the Lord Jesus was sharing) they spoke badly against Him.
JOHN 10:20
20 And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?

Real Prophets
Those chosen by God, when they are not accepted, will not speak badly against those who reject them. Instead, they will simply leave, because that is the instruction the Lord Jesus gave to them.
MATTHEW 10:14
14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

The Lord Jesus also fulfilled this command in His role as the Son of the living God. When He fed and satisfied the 5,000 men, besides the women and children, and then began to speak the truth, they could not understand Him. Instead of humbling themselves and asking for His mercy, they left and no longer followed Him. Nevertheless, we cannot read anywhere that the Lord Jesus spoke badly against them.
JOHN 6:51, 60 & 66
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

Because this truth will never pass away (Matthew 24:35). That is why, even in this thread alone, God is already revealing those who are not truly of God. They use the words of God, yet they are not truly of God (False Prophet).

 

[Godsgood]

God is well aware of your arrogance, error, and pretence.

The truth is.
On the other hand, it is not God who is speaking; it is only you. And there is no truth in a person who does not know the one true God.

The Lord God said, “Do not be afraid of people, for they too will die like grass. So whatever you say that is not good. , it will not work on those who know the one true God.
ISAIAH 51:12
12 I, even I, am he that comforteth you: who art thou, that thou shouldest be afraid of a man that shall die, and of the son of man which shall be made as grass;

 

[Godsgood]

That is not what God said. You are deceived and confused.

You aren’t sharing truth; you are expanding error.

For the truth seekers only.
The benefit of obeying the literal meaning of God’s commandments is for the flesh or the body, which only lasts until the graveyard. However, the benefit of the spiritual meaning of God’s commandments is for the soul, because it is the soul that will be with God in eternal life.

A person who is arrogant before God is the only one bold enough to oppose what God has revealed to His chosen ones.
That is why He revealed both of these to the apostle Paul.
ROMANS 7:14
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Just as the Lord God is Spirit (invisible), so are His words and commandments, they are also spiritual and invisible.
2 CORINTHIANS 4:18
18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

 

[frederickdoc]

Hope the chose

The false Christ and the false Prophets are dangerous.
Because if possible they might deceive even the chosen of God

 

[Godsgood]

That is not what God said. You are deceived and confused.

You aren’t sharing truth; you are expanding error.

I think you’re the one who is confused, which is why you ended up deceiving yourself.
Because I can see that you fear yourself instead of fearing God. That’s why you follow what your own desires want instead of what you should truly follow.