How do you explain exactley'which ones?'

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Pamella said:
I had heard somebody describe really well a few years ago how to explain which OT laws we follow and which ones aren't neccessay. Unfortunately, I forgot.
So how would you explain it?
Some are obvious, like 'Thou shall not steal.' Yet, we do not keep the feasts, circumsize our children on the eigth day, and according to the apostle Paul, the Sabbath need not be observed.
So how would you explain to somebody who maybe confused about all of this? I know, 'love does no harm to a neighbor, therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.' So is that all there is?
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First of all, Paul didn’t have the authority to overturn one of the Lord’s commandments. Jesus taught us that the Sabbath was made for us, and not the other way around, but we still need a day’s rest each week.

Sometimes we need to employ common sense. I believe the Lord was speaking to Jews, and not Christians, when he delivered many of the rules and regulations found in the Old Testament – festivals and upkeep of the temple, for example – but clearly, if homosexuality was a sin for Jews, then it is a sin for all of us. And if Christians want to, they are free to observe ALL of the rules and regulations found in the Old Testament.
 
I have seen on another thread in a different forum, and on here where someone insists you have to obey the OT.
I was wondering if somebody in here would come up with a brief and hit the nail on the head explanation like that on person said that I mentioned.
It does seem pretty obvious to me which OT laws are no longer valid. That old Sabbath day one that is the only questionable one of the ten commandments, I have come to believe (for myself)---well, nm, I am supposed to keep that between myself and God. :p
 
Pamella said:
I had heard somebody describe really well a few years ago how to explain which OT laws we follow and which ones aren't neccessay. Unfortunately, I forgot.
So how would you explain it?
Some are obvious, like 'Thou shall not steal.' Yet, we do not keep the feasts, circumsize our children on the eigth day, and according to the apostle Paul, the Sabbath need not be observed.
So how would you explain to somebody who maybe confused about all of this? I know, 'love does no harm to a neighbor, therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.' So is that all there is?
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All commandments in the Old Testament physically and/or spiritually depending on applicable circumstances.

When an instruction is given by God, He intends us to keep it until He says otherwise. There are passages in the NT that seem to cease certain laws, but those are usually taken out of context.

The key to knowing which ones to follow is to have a proper understanding of the Law and what it was meant to accomplish and then reading the laws through that lens. And until God says to stop following the Law, we keep it.
Matthew 5:17-19
“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
 
Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Romans 13:10
 
Pamella said:
Yes, but then why do we need to read the bible?
Have you not been convicted on something in regards to this by reading the bible?
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A very good question that refutes the "I don't need to know about the Laws, grace takes care of it" stance. If everything is already on our heart and the Holy Spirit teaches us everything, what good is the Bible?
 
TrailofTruth said:
God's law was done physically in the Old Testament, but is now done spiritually in the New Testament. One example is they were physically circumcised in the Old Testament, but now spiritually circumcised in the New Testament with circumcision of the heart, performed by God during baptism (Colossians 2). We are no longer under Moses but under Christ (Romans 7:1-4)- which means we go by the New Testament.
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When we take the time to truly read the Law of the OT, we find there was also a spiritual application as well. Unfortunately, too many people haven't taken the time to read through the full list of the 613 laws.
 
Some would divide the Old Testament law into the ceremonial, civil, and moral laws. In this understanding the civil and ceremonial laws are fulfilled with the coming of Jesus, but the moral law still holds in the New Testament.

I think that all of the Old Testament was fulfilled. No New Testament Scriptures say that only part of it was fulfilled. But "fulfilled" does not mean "destroyed, ended". All of the Old Testament law was to lead us to Christ by showing us our sinfulness and our need of a Redeemer.

Is the Old Testament still useful today? Yes, as a picture of who God is, of who man is, of what sin is, and of our need of a Redeemer. It is not designed as a book of rules that we can reach God by keeping perfectly. Some of the Old Testament dietary laws may be helpful and keep us healthier, but they are not required for salvation.

The Ten Commandments likewise are not in force today!! Oh - ouch -- let me explain! The New Testament clearly repeats these commands (except interestingly the one about the Sabbath) but the force is more of the underlying motives - love - it is not just a "do not" and then you are OK!
 
Pamella said:
I have seen on another thread in a different forum, and on here where someone insists you have to obey the OT.
I was wondering if somebody in here would come up with a brief and hit the nail on the head explanation like that on person said that I mentioned.
It does seem pretty obvious to me which OT laws are no longer valid. That old Sabbath day one that is the only questionable one of the ten commandments, I have come to believe (for myself)---well, nm, I am supposed to keep that between myself and God. :p
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Jesus did not come to do away with the law. He came to fulfill the law - inside of us.
All of that law speaks of Him who was to come.
The law is good and spiritual.
Looking at it as things you do outwardly isn't what we are to do.
We are to ask for wisdom to understand the spirit of the words.
Trying very hard to perform it all outwardly leads to pride and the feeling that we are obeying God.
That's what happened with the pharisees.

To give an example, thou shalt not murder includes anger in your heart. None of us would ever dream of physically murdering someone, but to keep it outwardly does not meet Gods' holy demand if inside we are bitter, resentful and angry at someone.

The Holy Spirit shows us this spirit of the law and then He leads us to true fulfilling of the law inside of us. There is no way but relying on Him to change our heart and mind. The process IS what spiritual warfare is.

Focusing on that law outwardly is deceptive and allows us to continue in sin inside, while believing we are keeping the law when we are doing no such thing.
 
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Grandpa said:
That is the reason, and only reason, why no one practices animal sacrifices. It is finished.
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Hebrews 10:11-18: "And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified. But the Holy Spirit also witnesses to us; for after He had said before, “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,” then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.” Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin."
 
Rms. 12:13
For until the law, sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

So what laws is he talking about, since it says in Rms.1:20 that men are without excuse?
 
Any that are carried over to the NT . . .Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbor: for we are members one of another. . . . Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labor, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice. Eph. 4:25, 28, 29, 31 Children obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Eph. 6:1

That's just off the top of my head . . . How many commandments do you see in the above? There is no need to worry about "which ones" - We are to love the Lord, our God with our whole heart, soul, mind and strength and love others as ourselves . . . if we do that, we will not do any of the above.
 
HS is the He behind everything written. He is told to be a guide who will lead us into ALL truth.. want to know what to do? Get where you have fellowship with Him so He can tell you... No person is gonna be able to help you.. not entirely
 
What He tells me in some cases is just for me bc of my specific life and experience and ways of thinking.. Not all will benefit another although it's true in nature. Doesn't always apply in the same way
 
Pamella said:
I had heard somebody describe really well a few years ago how to explain which OT laws we follow and which ones aren't neccessay. Unfortunately, I forgot.
So how would you explain it?
Some are obvious, like 'Thou shall not steal.' Yet, we do not keep the feasts, circumsize our children on the eigth day, and according to the apostle Paul, the Sabbath need not be observed.
So how would you explain to somebody who maybe confused about all of this? I know, 'love does no harm to a neighbor, therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.' So is that all there is?
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The ones that are repeated in NT.
 
HisHolly said:
HS is the He behind everything written. He is told to be a guide who will lead us into ALL truth.. want to know what to do? Get where you have fellowship with Him so He can tell you... No person is gonna be able to help you.. not entirely
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I have spent so much ti me with him in the last two years occasionally I have even read the bible all day. He does speak to me. I guess mainly I want to have an answer if somebody asks me. :) I like the answers about whatever carries into the new testament specifically that 'love does no harm to a neighbor, therefore love is the fulfillment of the Law.' Except we need to love God first, but I can't recollect that is in the NT. Not all moral laws do carry into the new testament tho. It really is a little complicated I guess. Just hafta know your bible.
 
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