How do you get saved?

[Pilgrimshope]

The work of God is this: to believe in the one He sent. God commands all people everywhere to repent. We are to repent and believe. Jesus made a distinction between earthly water and spiritual water and so do I. I am not speaking against being baptized. However, unlike you, I do not believe that one is not saved if they do not undergo water baptism. We are saved by grace through faith.

“I do not believe that one is not saved if they do not undergo water baptism.”

the Bible doesn’t ever say this.

It shows that people from the ot were saved also after Jesus came and they existed before baptism in Jesus name

theres simply no reason to reject baptism in Jesus name for remission of sins is the thing .

There’s no reason for us to argue and debate its relevance and purpose in scripture . Jesus and all his disciples were baptized and baptized in water in the Bible that’s a clearly established fact in scripture

Jesus was baptized in water then received the spirit
were baptized in water for remission in his name and receive his spirit after he rose

there’s just no reason for us to reject baptism and what it clearly is .

i agree with you The bible doesn’t ever say “ if you don’t get baptized your going to be lost “

it says “ if you don’t believe the gospel you will be damned “

There’s just no reason for us to reject what the Bible teaches about baptism or communion or repentance ect lol I think I made a “wrong Toin at Al bequoiky”

Coming to the biblical discussion forum

 

[Cameron143]

The indwelling of the Spirit is not the same as the sealing of the Spirit. So much error is caused when the 2 are conflated. One is inward and places the believer into the body of Christ...1 Corinthians 12:13. The other is outward and is experiential and confirms to the individual and all who witness it that God has indeed done a work of salvation...Ephesians 1:13.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

The command to water baptize was part of the Great Commission Jesus spoke of in Matthew 28:19, Mark 16:15-16, Luke 24:47.
Also, note Jesus instructions to Peter, just prior to His ascension back into Heaven, as recorded in the Gospel of John. His instructions concerned feeding His sheep and lambs, is a reference to presenting the gospel to Jews, and Gentiles. And His assisting in the Samaritans receiving the Holy Ghost.

"So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.
He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep." John 21:15-17

Yes, Go make disciples. BAPTIZE THEM!!

I believe this and practice it.

In addition, I do not reject John 1:12 as you suppose.
The scripture is clear, those who receive him are given the opportunity to become sons of God. It even references having belief in His name. Keep in mind those at Pentecost believed in Jesus and when asked what else was required, Peter gave the command to repent, and specified that EVERYONE was to be baptized in the name of Jesus for remission of sin. Those who believe and obey God are promised the indwelling presence of the Holy Ghost will take place at some point.

Back to this, your pet verse...

Again, your accusations are unfounded regarding John chapter 3.
What you neglect to acknowledge is what is revealed at the beginning of that chapter. Jesus speaks of the need to be born of water and of Spirit. (John 3:1-5) Each detailed conversion account confirms both water baptism in the name of Jesus, (for remission of sin) as well as receiving the indwelling presence of the Holy Ghost/Spirit is witnessed. This is not a coincidence. It provides evidence that the NT rebirth involves both experiences.

My accusations are confirmed. Water baptism is NEVER MENTIONED IN JOHN 3

You add it to the passage when it is not there

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Pay attention. Peter said, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins. (Acts 10:43) Peter commanded those who believed in Jesus to be baptized in water in the name of Jesus. (Acts 10:47-48) Again, we see obedience to water baptism in the name of Jesus remits sin.

Pay attention?

He said remission of sin is given to those who believe.

He then told THEM who received the gift of the spirit (and already received remission of sin, proven by the fact they have received the spirit already). to be baptized in water

this confirms what I have told you numerous times, and confirms was Peter actually said in Acts 2..

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

God has always required obedience, it is key.

"And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of the Lord, and thy words: because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice." 1 Sam 15:22-24

lol..

Study romans 4 my friend.

You can not do enough work to cause one sin to be redeemed,

If yuo could obey yourself to salvation, Jesus would have stayed in heaven and not come down to do what you are unable to do

Chose the cross. Not your self righteousness

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

You guys just like talking about this back and forth? Let’s just talk it to death…

we are hoping eventually it will sink in and people will repent.

eternal salvation is at stake, its not just a minor issue. get this wrong,. your doomed for eternity

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

The indwelling of the Spirit is not the same as the sealing of the Spirit. So much error is caused when the 2 are conflated. One is inward and places the believer into the body of Christ...1 Corinthians 12:13. The other is outward and is experiential and confirms to the individual and all who witness it that God has indeed done a work of salvation...Ephesians 1:13.

actually the first is called the baptism of the spirit. thats is what places us into (baptizes) christ.

the spirit comming into us is the anointing, and is part of him sealing us.

 

[Magenta]

“I do not believe that one is not saved if they do not undergo water baptism.”

the Bible doesn’t ever say this.

I know, and it's unfortunate that members here do!

Nobody got wet when Noah's family was "baptized" and neither did anyone get wet when Moses' people were escaping the Egyptians across the Red Sea... Both are called baptisms and both are used as examples of baptism in the New Testament.

 

[Sipsey]

I haven’t read a good deal of the assertion in this thread, but has anyone explored the idea of water baptism as being a public display or one done privately. Can one baptize themselves or what qualifies one to baptize another?

 

[BillyBob]

The prayer mentioned is certainly a good prayer. However, it assumes “If I do this, then this will happen”. This seems to be a works based solution, trusting in yourself to bring about your own salvation. I'm not saying that there is no way that what you ask will not be provided. The Lord does indeed work in mysterious ways. However, I do believe that the Spirit would have to soften and prepare your heart beforehand. Therefore, it might be better to ask for a heart transplant! Only a humble and contrite heart can truly turn to God.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

You pray “Jesus, forgive me of my sins. Come into my life and save me. I believe that You died on the cross for me and I want you to be Lord of my life. I surrender my life to you Jesus right now. I receive you. Thank you for saving me.”

The problem with this is that if you're only repeating words by "rote", you accomplish nothing at all.

Saying the prayer IN FAITH as the result of Holy Spirit CONVICTION OF SIN, in the full appreciation of what you're saying, and it's eternal importance makes the difference.

 

[Magenta]

Jesus was baptized in water then received the spirit

Then John testified, “I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove and resting on Him.
I myself did not know Him, but the One who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man
on whom you see the Spirit descend and rest is He who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’"

Yes, the Holy Spirit descending upon Jesus at the time of His baptism was given as a sign
to John of He Who would baptize with fire and the Spirit... John, whom Jesus called the
greatest of the prophets because he was sent to herald the coming of the long-awaited
Messiah. I do not see many saying how it is that Jesus fulfilled all righteousness by
having John water baptize Him. It was necessary because under the OT law, priests
were required to undergo baptism before taking up their priestly duties.

Unrelated: what is your favourite colour?

 

[Magenta]

I haven’t read a good deal of the assertion in this thread, but has anyone explored the idea of water baptism as being a public display or one done privately. Can one baptize themselves or what qualifies one to baptize another?

I have seen nothing about private baptisms, and wonder if such a thing even exists LOL.
But yes, the idea of it being a public proclamation before fellow believers has been put
forward numerous times, and usually is in threads like these .

 

[Sipsey]

I have seen nothing about private baptisms, and wonder if such a thing even exists LOL.
But yes, the idea of it being a public proclamation before fellow believers has been put
forward numerous times, and usually is in threads like these .

Thank you. That it was and is for public consumption seems to be the norm.

 

[homwardbound]

Wait so You’re saying when they say here is water let’s baptize 😂they aren’t talking about water 😅???

So this isnt proof to you in a bible discussion forum they baptized in water ?

That is not what I am saying, I am saying Jesus clarified, to Nicodemus, what he was saying in the next verse after saying one must be born of water and then of Spirit (John 3)
John the Baptist clearly said he must decrease and Christ must increase, that John baptizes with water and Christ with the Holy Spirit
There is one baptism. It is Spirit and Truth of God the Father of the risen Son for us, to get saved by belief to his love and mercy of Son Jesus given us to be saved in his resurrected life

I am seeing in the Spirit, not in the physical as only flesh nature knows how to do, physical and does not understand Spiritual. Flesh nature, to this day wants in and not be put out, as has been happening ever since the first Adam' failure in unbelief to God and ate. Then Jesus the second Adam, that removed the first curse of Adam for use the people, by his taking the first curse of the first Adam in hid death he killed that curse, being perfect for us. That reversed the death issue placed on our souls through the flesh, all after that cross is left is to believe God in the stone work for not. God waiting for us the people to believe God and save our souls
However, you believe as you believe and learn as you want to, thank you

Go ahead and be under Law if you are , as it seems to me you are, and will not see this Spiritually yet. as I am trying to reveal to you Brother. yet only Father of in risen Son Jesus can do that, certainly, not me or anyone else.

God announced through Jesus the Son physical analogies to the people for us to understand Spiritual realities
If people do not understand Physical analogies as in John 3:5-6


John 3:5-6

King James Version

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Yet go ahead and believe as you believe it to be for now. God will reveal to as God develops us each in God's maturity

Thanks, hope all is well, as I know truth from God all is well as God knows when to reveal and when not to yet.


Matthew 13:9-11

King James Version

9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

God knows who is real in belief to God and who are not. God reveals truth to each child in stages and is why anyone in belief to God, must go through the trials and tribulations as said in James, to be revealed truth from God to them personally,
Parables are the Mysteries of God. Therefore, continue to believe and get grown in god deeper and deeper Daily, as you are already ready and willing gto god to hear truth over errors of this world about the physical and the spiritual

 

[Cameron143]

actually the first is called the baptism of the spirit. thats is what places us into (baptizes) christ.

the spirit comming into us is the anointing, and is part of him sealing us.

Actually, the first is the baptism BY the Spirit, and the second is the baptism WITH the Spirit. The first is done by the Spirit, and the second is done by Christ.
John the Baptist said he baptized with water, but that Jesus would baptize with the Spirit and fire. All outward evidences of the Spirit are done by Jesus.

 

[Magenta]

Thank you. That it was and is for public consumption seems to be the norm.

Seeing new members join the family of God is very encouraging! .

Where I was baptized, we gave our testimony at the same time...

What better way for other family members to collectively come to
know who we are and from what God has specifically delivered us?

 

[homwardbound]

Sipsey said:
I haven’t read a good deal of the assertion in this thread, but has anyone explored the idea of water baptism as being a public display or one done privately. Can one baptize themselves or what qualifies one to baptize another? /end Quote

It is clearly said that John the Baptist was went to announce the Messiah, when he Baptized the Messiah and heard the voice of God pleased in his Son, and saw rthe Dove descend upon him

Then John's water Baptism was over, he announced Jesus' arrival as the Messiah


John 3:25-31

King James Version

25 Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying.
26 And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.
27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
28 Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.
29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
30 He must increase, but I must decrease.
31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.

The flesh of the people profits nothing, anyways, if want to get water Baptized, go ahead as a good conscience between God AND YOU
Not for any other reason and God will reveal whatever is needed for you to get revealed. God is not interested in fighting of flesh and blood. Otherwise, Son as One with Father, would not have ever went to the cross willingly
Read Col. 1 and 2 about this done work for you too, thank you

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Actually, the first is the baptism BY the Spirit, and the second is the baptism WITH the Spirit. The first is done by the Spirit, and the second is done by Christ.
John the Baptist said he baptized with water, but that Jesus would baptize with the Spirit and fire. All outward evidences of the Spirit are done by Jesus.

It is niether

The Holy Spirit coming into a person is actually the anointing of the spirit. as the spirit is poured out on us.. as the oil was poured out on Arron and his sons By Moses

The second is based on the first. the same spirit that is poured out on us, seals us until the day of redemption.

The baptism of the spirit. is God baptizing us into Christ, Into his Death, Into his body and into him.

HS baptism happens immediately on salvation and is the means of redemption of sin to and on all who believe, for there is no difference..

 

[homwardbound]

It is niether

The Holy Spirit coming into a person is actually the anointing of the spirit. as the spirit is poured out on us.. as the oil was poured out on Arron and his sons By Moses

The second is based on the first. the same spirit that is poured out on us, seals us until the day of redemption.

The baptism of the spirit. is God baptizing us into Christ, Into his Death, Into his body and into him.

HS baptism happens immediately on salvation and is the means of redemption of sin to and on all who believe, for there is no difference..

yes to be as raised new already, yet to reckon self as dead, thank you Father for Son's his risen life to work through us as in Luke 21:14-15 states this truth to me
Thanks