How do you reconcile the first Commandment with the trinity?

[evyaniy]

Can you please give some examples in the Psalms where the Son, Father and Holy Spirit are speaking and praying and praising one another. Thank You!

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Psalm 22 of course is one of the Son's prayers from the cross. In each of these Psalms They praise each other. The Son praises the Father in Psalm 22 also.

Psalm 22
For the Chief Musician; set to “The Doe of the Morning.”
A Psalm by David.

(Son to Father during His suffering)

22:1 My 'El, My 'El, why have You forsaken Me?
Why are You so far from My Salvation (Yĕshuw`ah),
and from the words of My groaning?
22:2 My 'Elohiym, I cry in the daytime,
but You don’t answer;
in the night season, and am not silent.
22:3 But You are Holy, (Qadowsh)
You Who inhabit the praises of Israel.
22:4 Our fathers trusted in You.
They trusted, and You delivered them.
22:5 They cried to You, and were delivered.
They trusted in You, and were not disappointed.
22:6 But I am a Worm, and no Man;
a Reproach of men, and Despised by the people.
22:7 All those who see Me mock Me.
they insult Me with their lips.
they shake their heads, saying,
22:8 “He trusts in YHVH;
let Him deliver Him.
Let Him rescue Him, since He delights in Him.”
22:9 But You brought Me out of the womb.
You made Me trust at My mother’s breasts.
22:10 I was thrown on You from My mother’s womb.
You are My 'El since My mother bore Me.
22:11 Don’t be far from Me, for trouble is near.
For there is none to help.
22:12 Many bulls have surrounded Me.
Strong bulls of Bashan have encircled Me.
22:13 they open their mouths wide against Me,
lions tearing Prey and roaring.
22:14 I am poured out like water.
All My bones are out of joint.
My heart is like wax;
it is melted within Me.
22:15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd.
My tongue sticks to the roof of My mouth.
You have brought Me into the dust of death.
22:16 For dogs have surrounded Me.
A company of evildoers have enclosed Me.
they have pierced My hands and feet.
22:17 I can count all of My bones.
they look and stare at Me.
22:18 they divide My garments among them.
they cast lots for My clothing.
22:19 But don’t be far off, YHVH.
You are My Help: hurry to help Me.
22:20 Deliver My soul from the sword,
My precious life from the power of the dog.
22:21 Save Me from the lion’s mouth!
Yes, from the horns of the wild oxen,
You have answered Me.
22:22 I will declare Your Name to My brothers.
In the midst of the assembly, I will praise You.

(Son to believers about Father)

22:23 You who fear YHVH, praise Him!
All you descendants of Jacob, glorify Him!
Stand in awe of Him, all you descendants of Israel!
22:24 For He has not despised nor abhorred
the affliction of the Afflicted,
Neither has He hidden His face from Him;
but when He cried to Him, He heard.
22:25 Of You comes My praise in the great assembly.
I will pay My vows before those who fear Him.

(Spirit about believers and Father and Son)

22:26 The humble shall eat and be satisfied.
They shall praise YHVH who seek after Him.
Let your hearts live forever.
22:27 All the ends of the earth
shall remember and turn to YHVH.
All the relatives of the nations shall worship before You.
22:28 For the kingdom is YHVH's.
He is the Ruler over the nations.
22:29 All the fat ones of the earth shall eat and worship.
All those who go down to the dust shall bow before Him,
those who can’t keep their soul alive.
22:30 Posterity shall serve Him.
Future generations shall be told about YHVH.
22:31 They shall come and shall declare His righteousness
to a people that shall be born,
for He has done it.

 

[TheLearner]

Actually, the English Language Translation + prior translations butchered this up.

In the Hebrew, David is the the second lord, but it should read with lower case [M] for master.

1 Of David a psalm.
The word of the Lord to my master; "Wait for My right hand, until I make your enemies a footstool at your feet."
אלְדָוִ֗ד מִ֫זְמ֥וֹר נְאֻ֚ם יְהֹוָ֨ה | לַֽאדֹנִ֗י שֵׁ֥ב לִֽימִינִ֑י עַד־אָשִׁ֥ית אֹֽ֜יְבֶ֗יךָ הֲדֹ֣ם לְרַגְלֶֽיךָ:

The English translation, of the 10th Century Latin Vulgate to Greek and then to English [Erasmus/Textus Receptus] severely messed a few key Verses up.

Hebrews 1:13
But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

 

[bluto]

So where then do you get the title His the son?

Well, at a lot of places in Scripture. Did you ever wonder why Jesus Christ Himself often times referred to Himself as the "Son of Man" and as the "Son of God?" He's the Son of God on His Father's side because He has His Father's nature. He's the Son of Man on His mother's side because she's human.

Jesus has two natures, one on His Father's side which is deity and one on His mother's side which is human. It's a universal law that a son (or a daughter for that matter) shares the same nature as its father. Dogs begat dogs, beavers begat other beavers etc. You can prove me wrong by giving me an example of a son that does not share the same nature as its father.

The Jews understood all the claims that Jesus made. John 5:17-18, "My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working." Vs18, "For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because (or why?) He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God."

How about John 8:56-59. "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad." Vs57, "The Jews therefore said to Him, You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham? Vs58, Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born I am." This means that Jesus existed before Abraham and in fact created him. Vs59, "Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him etc.:

Now for John 10:30, "I and the Father We are one." Of course they are one in purpose but this is not what Jesus meant. He and the Father are one in nature or essence. Look what the Jews say at John 10:31, "The Jews took up stones AGAIN to stone Him. (Why?) Vs32, "Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" Vs33, "The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man make Yourself out GOD."

At vs34 Jesus brings up Psalm 82:6, the subject of "gods." Here again, why? I will explain it later. Now we go to the trial record at Matthew 26:57-65. The high priest Caiaphas is presiding and false witnesses are presented that goes back three years. Vs61, "This man stated, I am able to destroy the temple of God and to rebuild it in three days." If you go back to John 2;19, "Jesus answered them and said to them, "Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up." The Apostle John says at John 2:21, "But He was speaking of the temple of His body."

Now back to the trial. The high priest Caiaphas is getting impatient because Jesus is keeping silent, (vs63). Then at vs63 the high priest states, "I adjure You by the living God, that You tell us whether You are the Christ, the Son of God." The priest is asking Jesus two things to swear to. (1) Are you the Christ/Messiah and (2) the Son of God. At Luke 22:70, Jesus says, "Yes, I am."

At vs65, "Then the high priest tore his robes, saying, He has blasphemed! What further need do we have of witnesses? Behold, you have heard the blasphemy;" Something to think about. It is not a crime to claim to be the Messiah. People have made the claim even today and they were not killed. Another thing, why would the Jews accuse Jesus for claiming to be the Son of God since the Jews themselves claim to be sons of God?

Look what the Apostle John states at John 20:30-31, "Many other signs therefore Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; vs31, but these have been written that you may believe that (1) Jesus is the Christ/Messiah, and (2) the Son of God; and that believing you many have life in His name."

The problem with the Jews, and with others all through history and even today is they did not believe Jesus because He was who He claimed to be which means there was no blasphemy.

IN GOD THE SON,
blluto

 

[Mem]

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According to Ezek 1:1-28, God is a quartet rather than a trio.
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modalism is a heresy that describes God as - well as webera.home put it - wearing different hats at different times.

Seeing that it was Webers that first put forth the idea presented in Ezekiel 1, his conclusion boggles me.

 

[evyaniy]

Can you please give some examples in the Psalms where the Son, Father and Holy Spirit are speaking and praying and praising one another. Thank You!

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Psalm 88 is one of the Son's prayers while He was suffering death. He praises His Father in the Psalm and says He wants to live to continue to praise His Father and declare His wonders.

Psalm 88

A Song. A Psalm by the sons of Korah. For the Chief Musician.
To the tune of “The Suffering of Affliction.”
A contemplation by Heman, the Ezrahite.

(Son to Father during His death and suffering for our sins)

88:1 YHVH, the 'Elohiym of My Salvation (Yĕshuw`ah),
I have cried day and night before You.
88:2 Let My prayer enter into Your presence.
Turn Your ear to My cry.
88:3 For My soul is full of troubles.
My life draws near to Sheol.
88:4 I am counted among those who go down into the pit.
I am like a Man Who has no Help,
88:5 set apart among the dead,
like the slain who lie in the grave,
whom You remember no more.
they are cut off from Your hand.
88:6 You have laid Me in the lowest pit,
in the darkest depths.
88:7 Your wrath lies heavily on Me.
You have afflicted Me with all Your waves.
Selah.
88:8 You have taken My friends from Me.
You have made Me an Abomination to them.
I am confined, and I can’t escape.
88:9 My eyes are dim from grief.
I have called on You daily, YHVH.
I have spread out My hands to You.
88:10 Do You show wonders to the Dead?
Do the Dead rise up and praise You?
Selah.
88:11 Is Your mercy declared in the grave?
Or Your faithfulness in destruction?
88:12 Are Your wonders made known in the dark?
Or Your righteousness in the land of forgetfulness?
88:13 But to You, YHVH, I have cried.
In the morning, My prayer comes before You.
88:14 YHVH, why do You reject My soul?
Why do You hide Your face from Me?
88:15 I am afflicted and ready to die from My youth up.
While I suffer Your terrors, I am distraught.
88:16 Your fierce wrath has gone over Me.
Your terrors have cut Me off.
88:17 they came around Me like water all day long.
they completely engulfed Me.
88:18 You have put lover and friend far from Me,
and My familiar friends are darkness.

 

[evyaniy]

Well I have told you that this would bring conflict with other chapters of the Bible

Please show those conflicts.

 

[Franc254]

modalism is a heresy that describes God as - well as webera.home put it - wearing different hats at different times. it would have either Christ not being God while incarnate, or being God while incarnate with no God in heaven.

essentially it denies the Father and Son can exist simultaneously and simultaneously be God, if both co-exist, one is stripped of deity, thus it denies the deity of Christ (or even His existence after ascending!)... so, heresy.

I think when we read the scripture we know that Jesus was fully man but that doesn't necessarily mean that he was not the Father


Brief example....why do you think that the temptations of Jesus were very important and well calculated....

Because these were intended to make God stumble....they were what is described as the perfect temptation....The Devil knew who Jesus was ....He knew that if He could not ascend to God's level, he would bring him down to his level....so a close looking at scripture and we get to know that Jesus indeed was the Father and is still is

 

[Franc254]

i edited my response after first writing it, thinking, OK maybe not necessarily modalism, i guess you could have some water in three phases at the same time?

this bit's liquid, there's some ice, up there is steam? lol

What is the name of the Father?

 

[TheLearner]

the Son is the WORD made flesh.
and we know the Father dwells inside the WORD made flesh doing the works.
and we know if this is how the Father did it in the New Testament, He probably did is the same in the Old Testament. The WORD made flesh before Creation like Moses, Abraham, etc, but the Father is dwelling in the WORD doing His Works.

It's ALWAYS the WORKS of the FATHER being fulfilled and the Father dwelling in the WORD made flesh carrying out the Plan.

John 5:30
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 8:38
I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
John 10:32
Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my F
John 14:10
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
John 14:11
Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

ather; for which of those works do ye stone me?

 

[evyaniy]

It has already been shown in other threads how Psalm 119 is the Son's prayer for life and to be raised from the dead after offering His life to save us in obedience to the Law and His Father. Not going to post the whole Psalm here since it is so long.

The Son praises His Father throughout Psalm 119 for His law and commandments and precepts and statutes and righteousness and justice and testimonies and so much more and asks His Father to raise Him according to the promise of life in the law to Him and His obedience.

 

[bluto]

Psalm 22 of course is one of the Son's prayers from the cross. In each of these Psalms They praise each other. The Son praises the Father in Psalm 22 also.

Psalm 22
For the Chief Musician; set to “The Doe of the Morning.”
A Psalm by David.

(Son to Father during His suffering)

22:1 My 'El, My 'El, why have You forsaken Me?
Why are You so far from My Salvation (Yĕshuw`ah),
and from the words of My groaning?
22:2 My 'Elohiym, I cry in the daytime,
but You don’t answer;
in the night season, and am not silent.
22:3 But You are Holy, (Qadowsh)
You Who inhabit the praises of Israel.
22:4 Our fathers trusted in You.
They trusted, and You delivered them.
22:5 They cried to You, and were delivered.
They trusted in You, and were not disappointed.
22:6 But I am a Worm, and no Man;
a Reproach of men, and Despised by the people.
22:7 All those who see Me mock Me.
they insult Me with their lips.
they shake their heads, saying,
22:8 “He trusts in YHVH;
let Him deliver Him.
Let Him rescue Him, since He delights in Him.”
22:9 But You brought Me out of the womb.
You made Me trust at My mother’s breasts.
22:10 I was thrown on You from My mother’s womb.
You are My 'El since My mother bore Me.
22:11 Don’t be far from Me, for trouble is near.
For there is none to help.
22:12 Many bulls have surrounded Me.
Strong bulls of Bashan have encircled Me.
22:13 they open their mouths wide against Me,
lions tearing Prey and roaring.
22:14 I am poured out like water.
All My bones are out of joint.
My heart is like wax;
it is melted within Me.
22:15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd.
My tongue sticks to the roof of My mouth.
You have brought Me into the dust of death.
22:16 For dogs have surrounded Me.
A company of evildoers have enclosed Me.
they have pierced My hands and feet.
22:17 I can count all of My bones.
they look and stare at Me.
22:18 they divide My garments among them.
they cast lots for My clothing.
22:19 But don’t be far off, YHVH.
You are My Help: hurry to help Me.
22:20 Deliver My soul from the sword,
My precious life from the power of the dog.
22:21 Save Me from the lion’s mouth!
Yes, from the horns of the wild oxen,
You have answered Me.
22:22 I will declare Your Name to My brothers.
In the midst of the assembly, I will praise You.

(Son to believers about Father)

22:23 You who fear YHVH, praise Him!
All you descendants of Jacob, glorify Him!
Stand in awe of Him, all you descendants of Israel!
22:24 For He has not despised nor abhorred
the affliction of the Afflicted,
Neither has He hidden His face from Him;
but when He cried to Him, He heard.
22:25 Of You comes My praise in the great assembly.
I will pay My vows before those who fear Him.

(Spirit about believers and Father and Son)

22:26 The humble shall eat and be satisfied.
They shall praise YHVH who seek after Him.
Let your hearts live forever.
22:27 All the ends of the earth
shall remember and turn to YHVH.
All the relatives of the nations shall worship before You.
22:28 For the kingdom is YHVH's.
He is the Ruler over the nations.
22:29 All the fat ones of the earth shall eat and worship.
All those who go down to the dust shall bow before Him,
those who can’t keep their soul alive.
22:30 Posterity shall serve Him.
Future generations shall be told about YHVH.
22:31 They shall come and shall declare His righteousness
to a people that shall be born,
for He has done it.

Good job evvanly. I'm proud of you! Since you brought up Psalm 22 and of course vs1 is the verse Jesus quoted while on the cross, let me ask you this question from Matthew 27:46. Did God the Father forsake His Son on that cross?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[TheLearner]

Hebrews 3:1-12

King James Version



3 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.
3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.
4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.
5 And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after;
6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

 

[evyaniy]

Good job evvanly. I'm proud of you! Since you brought up Psalm 22 and of course vs1 is the verse Jesus quoted while on the cross, let me ask you this question from Matthew 27:46. Did God the Father forsake His Son on that cross?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Apparently that is what the Son was experiencing at that time. If you are setting up traps with crafty questions then please stop and ignore the posts. Your original question has been addressed. If you disagree and are only posturing then please stop.

 

[TheLearner]

I have read this Thread a dozen times + every addition. And I have concluded one thing.

If we took the Father and placed Him in front of the Mirror, He looks like the Son. So, if we take the Son and place Him in front of a Mirror, we see the Father. Like Twins but one is Invisible and one is Visible. They are the Same and yet, they are Not, One is Flesh and Spirit, One is Spirit and No Flesh.

It is baffling how much they are the Same and the flesh makes them different.

But the Father Dwells in the Flesh doing His Works, but He is Not of the Flesh, the WORD/Son is.

They are so entwined it is Incredible!

Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

 

[TheLearner]

This Verse has TWO Meanings and we know the Hebrew and we know from the Ascension and Stephens eye Witness, and in Stephens eye Witness, it says, Jesus IS STANDING, not sitting. He is Equal in Power/Position/Equality...not a seating arrangement!

Both interpretations are from the Holy Spirit!

1. Mark 16:19
   So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
2. Luke 22:69
   Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
3. Acts 2:33
   Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
4. Acts 5:31
   Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
5. Acts 7:55
   But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
6. Acts 7:56
   And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
7. Romans 8:34
   Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
8. 2 Corinthians 6:7
   By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
9. Colossians 3:1
   If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
10. Hebrews 10:12
    But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
    In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
11. Hebrews 12:2
    Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
    In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
12. 1 Peter 3:22
    Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

 

[TheLearner]

No, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are separate personas, see Genesis, it says LET US create man in OUR image and in OUR likeness. The Father does not dwell in the son because the Father has all the Glory, the Father's ESSENCE (His likeness) dwell in the son. Meaning the Father and Son are the same in spirit as in LIKENESS as in ESSENCE, as in Love, Joy, Peace, Hope, Truthfulness etc. etc. God has the abundance of the glory however.



What you miss there is CONTEXT, Jesus is speaking about the Spirit of the Father, not the Fulness of the Father. Jesus and the Father are one in SPIRIT (Essence or Likeness) but not in Abundance of the Glory.

Lets say I have a 50 trillion gallon tank and every drop of water has the exact same chemical makeup. I can drink one pint and I have drunk the exact same water as an Elephant who can drink maybe 20 gallons, but God the Father re[resents the FULL 50 Trillion Gallons, meanwhile Jesus and the Holy Spirit can be just like the Father in essence, but still not be the Father. Just like the 20 gallons is exactly the same as the 50 trillion gallon s in essence or likeness, but nor in the fulness of the glory. 50 Trillion Gallons is a lot different in "GLORY" than the 1 pint or 20 gallons, yet we can drink from the Pint, the 20 gallons or the 50 trillion gallons and all will taste the same.

In Romans 8 both Jesus and the Holy Spirit interceeds(prays) for us.

 

[Franc254]

Please show those conflicts.

Thank you


In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.



From reading of psalms we can deduce that God spoke also to our ancestors through the Psalms of David is a prophet....now prophets in the old days received their message through the Holy Spirit....and I think that a close reading or some chapters of psalms indicate that God's purpose is also salvation....



Now where am I going with this

1 Peter 1:10-11
Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, 11 trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of the Messiah and the glories that would follow.....

So it was the spirit of Christ in them predicting about this salvation....and remember God was speaking but he was not speaking through the son ....the son was to come much later....

And that's why the spirit of Christ in that verse did not say how he would suffer rather the Messiah....meaning this person or man ....who is speaking to us this days ....Jesus was still speaking even in psalms but as the Spirit but about himself..... That's why he says that the "spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the suffering of the Messiah" Christ was the Messiah....the man he would come us would suffer but not his true nature ....

So Jesus is still speaking about the son of God ....but during that duration he is not speaking in the capacity of a son .... because in the old days the God never never communicated to anyone through the son...Jesus had predicted the coming Messiah through his prophets but that doesn't negate that he is still the Messiah

 

[bluto]

I think when we read the scripture we know that Jesus was fully man but that doesn't necessarily mean that he was not the Father


Brief example....why do you think that the temptations of Jesus were very important and well calculated....

Because these were intended to make God stumble....they were what is described as the perfect temptation....The Devil knew who Jesus was ....He knew that if He could not ascend to God's level, he would bring him down to his level....so a close looking at scripture and we get to know that Jesus indeed was the Father and is still is

It's impossible for Jesus Christ the Son to be His own father, please THINK! Explain to me Hebrews 1:5, "Thou art My Son, Today I have begotten Thee? And again, I will be a Father to Him, And He shall be a Son to Me."

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[Franc254]

Well, at a lot of places in Scripture. Did you ever wonder why Jesus Christ Himself often times referred to Himself as the "Son of Man" and as the "Son of God?" He's the Son of God on His Father's side because He has His Father's nature. He's the Son of Man on His mother's side because she's human.

Jesus has two natures, one on His Father's side which is deity and one on His mother's side which is human. It's a universal law that a son (or a daughter for that matter) shares the same nature as its father. Dogs begat dogs, beavers begat other beavers etc. You can prove me wrong by giving me an example of a son that does not share the same nature as its father.

The Jews understood all the claims that Jesus made. John 5:17-18, "My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working." Vs18, "For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because (or why?) He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God."

How about John 8:56-59. "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad." Vs57, "The Jews therefore said to Him, You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham? Vs58, Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born I am." This means that Jesus existed before Abraham and in fact created him. Vs59, "Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him etc.:

Now for John 10:30, "I and the Father We are one." Of course they are one in purpose but this is not what Jesus meant. He and the Father are one in nature or essence. Look what the Jews say at John 10:31, "The Jews took up stones AGAIN to stone Him. (Why?) Vs32, "Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" Vs33, "The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man make Yourself out GOD."

At vs34 Jesus brings up Psalm 82:6, the subject of "gods." Here again, why? I will explain it later. Now we go to the trial record at Matthew 26:57-65. The high priest Caiaphas is presiding and false witnesses are presented that goes back three years. Vs61, "This man stated, I am able to destroy the temple of God and to rebuild it in three days." If you go back to John 2;19, "Jesus answered them and said to them, "Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up." The Apostle John says at John 2:21, "But He was speaking of the temple of His body."

Now back to the trial. The high priest Caiaphas is getting impatient because Jesus is keeping silent, (vs63). Then at vs63 the high priest states, "I adjure You by the living God, that You tell us whether You are the Christ, the Son of God." The priest is asking Jesus two things to swear to. (1) Are you the Christ/Messiah and (2) the Son of God. At Luke 22:70, Jesus says, "Yes, I am."

At vs65, "Then the high priest tore his robes, saying, He has blasphemed! What further need do we have of witnesses? Behold, you have heard the blasphemy;" Something to think about. It is not a crime to claim to be the Messiah. People have made the claim even today and they were not killed. Another thing, why would the Jews accuse Jesus for claiming to be the Son of God since the Jews themselves claim to be sons of God?

Look what the Apostle John states at John 20:30-31, "Many other signs therefore Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; vs31, but these have been written that you may believe that (1) Jesus is the Christ/Messiah, and (2) the Son of God; and that believing you many have life in His name."

The problem with the Jews, and with others all through history and even today is they did not believe Jesus because He was who He claimed to be which means there was no blasphemy.

IN GOD THE SON,
blluto

Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”

62 “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."

If he will come on the clouds of heaven and sitting at the right hand of God....how many persons then will be present in the day of judgement... because remember there is only one throne and we know one seated upon that throne is Jesus....where is the father in this instance....if Jesus is on his right hand

 

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Thank you


In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.



From reading of psalms we can deduce that God spoke also to our ancestors through the Psalms of David is a prophet....now prophets in the old days received their message through the Holy Spirit....and I think that a close reading or some chapters of psalms indicate that God's purpose is also salvation....



Now where am I going with this

1 Peter 1:10-11
Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, 11 trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of the Messiah and the glories that would follow.....

So it was the spirit of Christ in them predicting about this salvation....and remember God was speaking but he was not speaking through the son ....the son was to come much later....

And that's why the spirit of Christ in that verse did not say how he would suffer rather the Messiah....meaning this person or man ....who is speaking to us this days ....Jesus was still speaking even in psalms but as the Spirit but about himself..... That's why he says that the "spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the suffering of the Messiah" Christ was the Messiah....the man he would come us would suffer but not his true nature ....

So Jesus is still speaking about the son of God ....but during that duration he is not speaking in the capacity of a son .... because in the old days the God never never communicated to anyone through the son...Jesus had predicted the coming Messiah through his prophets but that doesn't negate that he is still the Messiah

1 Peter 1:10-11
Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, 11 trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of the Messiah and the glories that would follow.....

Actually that verse describes what was taking place in the Psalms. The Holy Spirit was revealing the prayers and conversations of the Son and Spirit and Father and the man who was recording them was writing what was revealed without understanding what it all meant. And for the most part, it has remained that way all the way till now with people still not realizing the Psalms reveal the prayers of the Son and Spirit and quotes of the Father.

You really did not point out any conflicts from the many Psalms that were just provided so that may mean you do not see any conflicts that you can provide.