You are correct about the accusations form Nero regarding Christians, at least as recorded safely after the fact. But I trust that you also realize the punishments inflicted did not match the crime. The punishments were appropriate for non-Roman citizens only, and only for those people charged with treason. But who in the early church would have wanted the early church associated with treason against the Roman empire? And the timing, in light of this point, gets interesting, right after the official end of a war Rome feared losing.
How has science impacted your perspective on the Hebrew Bible?
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Okay again. I await the words you propose to add and where in order to amend the deficiency.
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Adam is very interesting. What would an adult person who had no family, no culture, no ability to count or write or learn a language understand anything about what human being is without family and how can they even talk or name all animals of the earth and sky or intuitively? Where did he learn his language? How would he know how to tend a garden given that person has no knowledge of right and wrong (requires being raised in a family and in a culture) and no knowledge of cause and effect that can only be learned via family and culture? In what language does Adam speak to God+? How did he learn that language? How would he have any knowledge of hygiene, wound care? (as he was naked, sunburn would have been a serious issue) Where did Adam get the tools needed to "tend the garden." How would Adam know he was alone? Only people living in human communities know they are alone outside that community. How did he have any idea of an ocean? Did Adam travel all over the earth N-S-E-W, mountain tops, jungles, the arctic, open oceans, etc to name all the creatures on earth or did God parade all of them across the garden for Adam to name and then put them back into their places? When was this story written down and by whom?
Or, are the two creation stories in Genesis written by Hebrews after they had the ability to write complex narrative prose ...circa 800 BC? Did they look at all the kingdoms and cultures around them where each had a unique creation story and determine they they needed one for their culture as well. They used narrative components of ancient Sumer (creation myth) and Akkad (flood and Moses narratives).The oldest historically verifiable artifact explicitly referencing a entity or story from the Hebrew Bible is the Mesha Stele (also known as the Moabite Stone), dated to around 840 BCE and the Tel Dan Stele of about the same time. The Mesha Stele was written in ancient Canaanite which later evolved into Hebrew and the Tel Dan Stele was written in ancient Aramaic which evolved across the levant. Virtually all human communities have creation myths which generally result in their ownership of God given land.
Genesis does uniquely provide the beginning of a relationship with God+ (the divine council?) that evolves in numerous directions over the foundational stories that result in validating the YEHWH culture being firmly located in the United Israel of the 9th century BC. More importantly for those living today, the Hebrew Bible provides a means of understanding the creation of a nation via its "sacred" documents.
The Hebrew Bible itself is a product of the intellectual activities of many people who looked back into their "past" to find theological meaning. This means that they chose what seemed to them to be meaningful to their "present" and present it crafted by the social conventions of their times. Therefore, we see the "past" described in the Hebrew Bible through two lenses. One is the lens of how our own "present" filters the past and another is the lens of the "present" of the ancient people who wrote some of the content of the Hebrew Bible for they too were looking at their past to interpret their past and thus communicate it in ways understandable to their society.
While we know a great deal about the facts surrounding the founding of the USA, what matters more to each generation of Americans are our cultural foundations. Every American living today depends daily not on the facts of our founding, but on the meaning of America’s founding principles and how they apply to our lives. The Supreme Court over the years has refined and redefined the meaning of those facts, thus our history is being colored by our present.
We live in a united society not just because of the historical facts about America but because certain critical belief systems, common to all Americans bind us together, give us our identity, our uniqueness and our hope for the future. We are a united country to the degree that we are pledged to our common beliefs such as the role of government, the responsibility of citizens and the value of the individual. Our freedoms are based on our common belief that we have God given rights that are sacred and unalienable. We are a society of free and equal people before the law who jealously safeguard our God given rights. We give weight to safeguarding the same rights of all people. It is our beliefs about America and our faith in the power of the community who share our beliefs that is the real power behind our success as a nation and our cultural identity.
What has sustained our faith is the fact that our founding beliefs are written down in documents such as the Declaration of Independence, The Constitution of the United States and perhaps the Federalist Papers. The power of written words enables each new generation to find and renew our faith in America. Written words are like that.
First off the world and space from "science " has continued to get young and young. Also The science today which thought they had a upper hand on the church until we started to study and become scientist ourselves have effectively argued the genesis account as being vailed in many scientific findings. It is the secular and atheist who are not abandoning sound science. No longer male and female , XX/ XY. No longer developing a hypothesis, and then a theory to a law. No as the Bible says they have become a law unto themselves. So The word of God still stands and truth matters to the church, but not so much to "science "
There is only frustration and discomfort using a very sophisticated highly scientific infrastructure and advanced software to declare science is not valid when it conflicts with my dogmas. It is equivalent to calling someone on the phone to tell them you don't believe in phones....
The reality of space time: currently, using our most advanced space placed infrared James Webb and now the SPHERx we have updated our models. James Webb can clearly back in time to 13.6 billion years as its mission is focused on understanding the evolution of the visible cosmos. SPHERx recently launched will look in vastly greater detail at just our Milky Way. I don't know what you mean by the statement that "the world of space from science has continued to get younger and younger." The opposite is true. We are now seeing farther back in time to 13.5 -13.6 billion years. By current estimates to a time to within 300 million years of the creation of the universe.
Your perspective of the XX/XY issues is well founded, but is not the basis for controversy you seem to be alluding to. While the fundamental physiological definition of sex is binary, medical science notes that the expression of biological sex traits is multi-dimensional. Genetics (XX vs. XY), hormones (estrogen vs. testosterone), internal gonads, and external anatomy do not always cleanly align. Intersex/DSDs: Approximately 1% to 2% of the population is born with Differences of Sex Development (DSDs) or intersex traits. Individuals with DSDs (such as Klinefelter syndrome or Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome) do not represent "new" sexes, but rather naturally occurring variations in how biological male or female traits develop independent of their XX/XY biology.
You seem to feel there is a battle of some kind between science and the church. That has been going on a very long time. Galileo affair was a 17th-century conflict between the astronomer Galileo Galilei and the Roman Catholic Church over heliocentrism—the scientific model placing the Sun at the center of the solar system. It culminated in Galileo's 1633 trial, leading to a sentence of house arrest for defending the Earth's movement. He remained under house arrest the rest of his life. He was never technically "pardoned" by the Catholic Church, because the Vatican clarified that there was no formal legal retrial or reversal of the 1633 Inquisition verdict. However, on October 31, 1992, Pope John Paul II formally closed a 13-year investigation into the trial, acknowledged the theological errors of the 17th-century church judges, and issued an address addressing the pain caused by the Galileo case. Ironically, the Vatican operates an official space observatory, known as the Vatican Observatory (Specola Vaticana), which is one of the oldest active astronomical research institutions in the world.
To live in fear that science will illuminate data that challenges our dogmas is only a signal that one's faith is in the dogmas and not in the Creator.
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I was simply making an observation about the real and perceived age of the earth and Adam. I have no desire to go down any of these paths.
Good choice. BTW not much science of the earth is in the news. The oldest known intact rock formations on Earth are roughly 4.0 to 4.16 billion years old. The primary contenders include the Acasta Gneiss in Canada's Northwest Territories (dated up to 4.02–4.2 billion years old) and volcanic rocks in the Nuvvuagittuq Greenstone Belt in Quebec, Canada (dated around 4.16 billion years old).
There is no connection between the Hebrew Bible and our current understanding of any science. The issue is the source of creation, which no science has grasped, nor will it.
There is no connection between the Hebrew Bible and our current understanding of any science. The issue is the source of creation, which no science has grasped, nor will it.
"Your perspective of the XX/XY issues is well founded, but is not the basis for controversy you seem to be alluding to. While the fundamental physiological definition of sex is binary, medical science notes that the expression of biological sex traits is multi-dimensional. Genetics (XX vs. XY), hormones (estrogen vs. testosterone), internal gonads, and external anatomy do not always cleanly align. Intersex/DSDs: Approximately 1% to 2% of the population is born with Differences of Sex Development (DSDs) or intersex traits. Individuals with DSDs (such as Klinefelter syndrome or Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome) do not represent "new" sexes, but rather naturally occurring variations in how biological male or female traits develop independent of their XX/XY biology.
"You seem to feel there is a battle of some kind between science and the church."
Not at all. I have seen Scientific, evidence, witnessed geographical location, and studied many Biblical text from Eyewitnesses that have provided the most important thing. Truth. When sexual anatomy do not line up as you say, that's called a birth defect and is not natural in or normal in life. When one who teaches or embraces the idea that one can in fact choose a different sex based on a false narrative and lack of science such as your statement : " in how biological male or female traits develop independent of their XX/XY biology."
That is a lie. They can also be taught those traits when they are young.
I can see your resistance. Clearly states 1% - 2% of the population express a uncharastic association with their biological biology. You can see that as a reason to reject these people and the science that identifies the statistical reality in support of a political party, but not from a "children of God" perspective.
I can see your resistance. Science learly states 1% - 2% of the population express a uncharastic association with their biological determined expression of sexuality. You can see that as a reason to reject these people and the science that identifies the statistical reality in support of a political party, but not from a "children of God" perspective. I might make a point that the American Indians and others see these people as special and elevated them to a special status.
American Mojave Culture
The Mojave culture recognizes four genders: men, women, hwame (female-bodied persons who live as men) and alyha (male-bodied persons who live as women). The creation myth of the Mojave tribe speaks to a time when humans were not sexually or gender-differentiated. Historically, hwame and alyha often transitioned to this third gender status when they began to identify as homosexual, which was seen as the result of spiritual intervention, taking on the social roles and dress of the opposite sex and often becoming healers or other religious specialists.
American Zuni Culture
The two-spirit Zuni tradition is known as lhamana, in which a person lives as both genders simultaneously. Lhamana may be born in any gender and, historically, would become lhamana at puberty. They play a key role in society as mediators, spiritual leaders, and artists, and perform both traditional women's work (pottery and crafts) as well as traditional men's work (hunting).
The most famous example was We’wha, a lhamana who served both as a spiritual leader and as the Zuni ambassador to the United States. In 1885, We’wha spent six months in Washington, D.C., where she was feted enthusiastically by the establishment who likely presumed that she was a cisgender woman.
American Navajo Culture
The Navajo term nádleehi refers to Diné (Navajo) culture's third gender, in which a person assigned male at birth who embodies both the masculine and feminine spirit and takes on a mixture of masculine and feminine social roles. Dilbaa, the Diné fourth gender, are persons assigned female at birth who take on masculine social roles. Both dilbaa and nádleehi are considered to be simultaneously masculine and feminine and may be recognized as such by elders while they are still children.
Navajo tradition places nádleehi and dilbaa in high esteem and they had a historical role as healers and religious specialists.
Blackfoot Culture
The ninauposkitzipxpe were persons assigned female at birth who took on traditionally male roles as members of the North Peigan tribe of the Blackfoot Confederacy in northern Montana and Southern Alberta, Canada. Roughly translated, it means "manly-hearted woman," and had a broad definition, encompassing any way in which persons assigned female at birth lived outside of the social constraints placed on other women in the Blackfoot society. This could include performing traditionally male professions, wearing male clothing, engaging in homosexuality, or participating in war.
Siberia
The Chuckchi and neighboring Indigenous peoples, including the Koryak and the Kamchadal, are nomadic people whose traditional folk religious beliefs include third gender shamans who assume the dress and social role of the opposite gender. Chuckchi shamans can belong to any gender and any social role or position.
While the Chuckchi culture was heavily suppressed by Christian missionaries, some contemporary Chuckchi are reviving traditional practices, which includes the social role of third gender shamans.
South America
In some cultures of South America, a travesti is a person who was assigned male at birth, adopts a feminine identity, and may or may not take advantage of gender-affirming care or identify as transgender. As the identity spans multiple cultures and nations, there are differences in interpretation, ranging from being synonymous with transgender women to constituting a third gender that is considered feminine, but distinct from that of transgender women. Some contemporary travesti see themselves as functioning outside of gender binaries altogether.
Travesti, like third gender and transgender persons globally, are often marginalized and associated with survival sex work, facing additional social persecution. As a longstanding marginalized population, there is a history of distinct travesti dialects and intergenerational cultural practices.
Although transgender persons throughout South America have greater rights than before, including the rights to change identity documents and legal protections as a class, travesti who identify as nonbinary do not have those same rights.
Peru – Inca
During the precolonial period, Incas worshiped Chuqui Chinchay, a dual-gendered god, who was served by quariwarmi (“man-woman”), third gender ritual and ceremonial attendants.
The quariwarmi wore androgynous or women’s clothing and were often identified for this role during childhood. Like third gender people worldwide, especially those with religious and spiritual functions, quariwarmi were subject to persecution and genocide on religious grounds during the colonial period. Today, some third gender South Americans trace their lineage to quariwarmi.
Mexico
Among the Zapotec of the Oaxacan peninsula, muxe are males who engage in performances of gender that include dressing in women’s clothing and/or wearing makeup. They may adopt “feminine” social roles such as working in embroidery but may also work in traditionally male careers.
In recent decades, the term has also been used outside of Oaxaca to describe gay men, but muxe may be of any sexual orientation.
If your perspective is that these unusual people are "taught" to be "like this" then how do you explain cultures around the globe experience these people, not teach these people" I can name and document far more cultures than I have so far. Think why this rare expression of mis-represented sexual anomalies is seen in cultures around the world.
American Mojave Culture
The Mojave culture recognizes four genders: men, women, hwame (female-bodied persons who live as men) and alyha (male-bodied persons who live as women). The creation myth of the Mojave tribe speaks to a time when humans were not sexually or gender-differentiated. Historically, hwame and alyha often transitioned to this third gender status when they began to identify as homosexual, which was seen as the result of spiritual intervention, taking on the social roles and dress of the opposite sex and often becoming healers or other religious specialists.
American Zuni Culture
The two-spirit Zuni tradition is known as lhamana, in which a person lives as both genders simultaneously. Lhamana may be born in any gender and, historically, would become lhamana at puberty. They play a key role in society as mediators, spiritual leaders, and artists, and perform both traditional women's work (pottery and crafts) as well as traditional men's work (hunting).
The most famous example was We’wha, a lhamana who served both as a spiritual leader and as the Zuni ambassador to the United States. In 1885, We’wha spent six months in Washington, D.C., where she was feted enthusiastically by the establishment who likely presumed that she was a cisgender woman.
American Navajo Culture
The Navajo term nádleehi refers to Diné (Navajo) culture's third gender, in which a person assigned male at birth who embodies both the masculine and feminine spirit and takes on a mixture of masculine and feminine social roles. Dilbaa, the Diné fourth gender, are persons assigned female at birth who take on masculine social roles. Both dilbaa and nádleehi are considered to be simultaneously masculine and feminine and may be recognized as such by elders while they are still children.
Navajo tradition places nádleehi and dilbaa in high esteem and they had a historical role as healers and religious specialists.
Blackfoot Culture
The ninauposkitzipxpe were persons assigned female at birth who took on traditionally male roles as members of the North Peigan tribe of the Blackfoot Confederacy in northern Montana and Southern Alberta, Canada. Roughly translated, it means "manly-hearted woman," and had a broad definition, encompassing any way in which persons assigned female at birth lived outside of the social constraints placed on other women in the Blackfoot society. This could include performing traditionally male professions, wearing male clothing, engaging in homosexuality, or participating in war.
Siberia
The Chuckchi and neighboring Indigenous peoples, including the Koryak and the Kamchadal, are nomadic people whose traditional folk religious beliefs include third gender shamans who assume the dress and social role of the opposite gender. Chuckchi shamans can belong to any gender and any social role or position.
While the Chuckchi culture was heavily suppressed by Christian missionaries, some contemporary Chuckchi are reviving traditional practices, which includes the social role of third gender shamans.
South America
In some cultures of South America, a travesti is a person who was assigned male at birth, adopts a feminine identity, and may or may not take advantage of gender-affirming care or identify as transgender. As the identity spans multiple cultures and nations, there are differences in interpretation, ranging from being synonymous with transgender women to constituting a third gender that is considered feminine, but distinct from that of transgender women. Some contemporary travesti see themselves as functioning outside of gender binaries altogether.
Travesti, like third gender and transgender persons globally, are often marginalized and associated with survival sex work, facing additional social persecution. As a longstanding marginalized population, there is a history of distinct travesti dialects and intergenerational cultural practices.
Although transgender persons throughout South America have greater rights than before, including the rights to change identity documents and legal protections as a class, travesti who identify as nonbinary do not have those same rights.
Peru – Inca
During the precolonial period, Incas worshiped Chuqui Chinchay, a dual-gendered god, who was served by quariwarmi (“man-woman”), third gender ritual and ceremonial attendants.
The quariwarmi wore androgynous or women’s clothing and were often identified for this role during childhood. Like third gender people worldwide, especially those with religious and spiritual functions, quariwarmi were subject to persecution and genocide on religious grounds during the colonial period. Today, some third gender South Americans trace their lineage to quariwarmi.
Mexico
Among the Zapotec of the Oaxacan peninsula, muxe are males who engage in performances of gender that include dressing in women’s clothing and/or wearing makeup. They may adopt “feminine” social roles such as working in embroidery but may also work in traditionally male careers.
In recent decades, the term has also been used outside of Oaxaca to describe gay men, but muxe may be of any sexual orientation.
If your perspective is that these unusual people are "taught" to be "like this" then how do you explain cultures around the globe experience these people, not teach these people" I can name and document far more cultures than I have so far. Think why this rare expression of mis-represented sexual anomalies is seen in cultures around the world.
the greater sin is those who abuse the young people in thinking they were born a mistake. And used very strong mind-altering drugs and mutilation to support this identity crisses.
Also, you are speaking regurgitated talking points.
You don't know my pollical party. And you have exposed your hidden agenda. A Biblical perspective is truth. A man born a man can't be a woman unless you are willing to say God makes mistakes. The perspective you have leads to 70% of transgender committing suicide after many have accepted their confusion. You refuse to admit that. You are the type to give a drug addict the fix because he's going to do it anyway. You like throwing a rock to a drowning person instead of a life ring. FYI Both Democrat and Republican are two different wings on the same bird. Now pack that in your pipe and smoke .
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Research shows that about 32% to 42% of transgender individuals report attempting suicide at some point in their lifetimes. When you look at a cultural rejection, political hate mongering and alienation from friends and families and from "God's People," It is understandable why the pain imposed on them leads to suicide. A person does not commit suicide because they are "confused" but like all suicides it is driven by pain and rejection. If you read my litle essay you will note that as long as human history has existed there is a small percentage with gender confusion. In may societies these people are respected and often thought of as special in a good way.
Humans take on may forms, colors, personalities, sexual alignments and I refuse nothing that is science based and thoroughly studied. Using abusive language about me indicates you know your "theories" are bankrupt and just need to attack someone. I'm good with that. I have no objection to being abused given some insight into the abuser. I am a "type" of a lot of things but giving drugs to addicts is not one of them. I have no politica dog in any fight. This is not a forum for politicizing.
I have researched and written about the scientific research that has been ongoing for about 70 years on the subject of why some children are born with innate gender misalignment. One of many theories is called "The wombs long shadow." In this research covering millions of families over these many years across all the western countries, it appears that there is a strong correlation of gender misalignment based on the birth sequence within a family for men. The measurement was based on personal surveys of men in same sex relationships.
NO you have bias approach to your statistics. There are far more medical documentation that have for years identified Transgenderism as a cognitive barrier and a identity crisis. That is caused by many single women who have no father in the home or lack parenting skills that allowed and supported this dysphoria . In addition most transgender's I have ministered to that have come out of this false belief have become very angry at those who lied to them like teachers, doctors and parents who were persuaded to mutilate children instead of providing help. The people of God were attacked by the LGBTQ and perverted child molesters who preyed on children. From a Biblical perspective which this site is, and the Forum you are posting on is Christian chat. God made man and women. Two genders, and two sexes. two different words that say the same thing Just like male and female. Your research is bias. And to have your user name as "Bible student" while abandonment of Biblical truth makes me question your motives for this kind of posting.
" When you look at a cultural rejection, political hate mongering and alienation from friends and families and from "God's People,"
This is a talking point from the liberal left. Which you accused me of having. Man can't be a women. Women can't be a man. God doesn't accept this kind of foolishness. There is no such thing as a gay Christian, no more than there is such a things are a Christian fornicator. Or any other sin God says those who practice such things and TEACH them have the greater Judgment.
In my ministry we have those who came out of this type of sin and God has led them to fulfilling lives Here are just a few. Saved by the Lord Jesus Christ and given the freedom to live as GOD created them to be.
Kathy Grace :
Chloe Cole :
Theses are just to who have spoken truth of their pain of transgenderism. And The medical community that took advantage of Chloe who was young girl and need adult to do the right thing. She forever has the scares from the Mutilation done to her by those like you who support this abuse on false science.
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The cases you present verify the data I already provided. There is a small part of all human populations and societies that are born with dissociative sexual identity. These cases you provided demonstrate that it is not after birth bad parenting that "causes" these problems, but genetics.
On the positive side, I do not believe that transgender medical intervention is appropriate for those under 18. That goes against current medical and legal norms, but I have not seen any Christian outreach to these people so they unfortunately with their parents need support outside their church. That is specifically why people with an antagonistic self-righteousness find anyone truly different to be a threat to their dogmas. Fewer than 1,200 gender-affirming surgeries are performed on transgender minors (ages 17 and younger) each year in the United States, according to major peer-reviewed medical studies and public health databases.The data consistently shows that surgical interventions for minors are highly rare, making up a tiny fraction of overall transgender medical care.
Kathy Grace Duncan is a Christian ministry leader, speaker, and prominent detransitoner who lived as a transgender man for 11 years before transitioning back to her biological sex. She currently leads the Women and Transgender Ministries at the Portland Fellowship in Oregon, an organization that provides biblical guidance on issues of sexuality and gender identity. She never claimed any parental abuse.
Personal Background Childhood Desires: Duncan recalls wanting to be a boy from the age of three or four, long before starting school. which support every thing scientific that I have presented
Chloe Cole is a young adult activist from California who began identifying as a transgender male around age 12. She never claimed parental abuse
The Medical procedures she requested and underwent included puberty blockers and testosterone starting at age 13, followed by a double mastectomy at age 15.Detransitioning occurred around age 16, after which she returned to identifying as female and stated she experienced physical and psychological regret. Legal action was filed by Cole against Kaiser Permanente and her former medical providers, alleging a lack of informed consent and that she was rushed into irreversible procedures as a minor. Public platform involvement includes speaking with conservative politicians, testifying before state legislatures and Congress, and advocating nationally alongside groups like the Young America's Foundation to restrict medical transitions for minors.Views on Transgenderism and Medical Care Opposition to minor transition: Cole argues that minors lack the developmental maturity to consent to life-altering, irreversible medical interventions.
Critique of the medical establishment: She contends that at here request and that of her parents medical professionals and therapists rushed her into social and physical transition instead of properly treating underlying psychological distress or discomfort with puberty. Advocacy for bans: She actively supports state and federal legislative efforts to ban puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, and surgical procedures for individuals under 18. The Fox Varian Verdict: In January 2026, a 22-year-old detransitioner named Fox Varian won a landmark $2 million jury verdict in New York. The jury found her former surgeon and psychologist liable for medical malpractice regarding a double mastectomy performed when she was 16. Chloe Cole heavily publicized this win, noting it sets a hopeful precedent for her own active case and the amount of money she can win..
Criticism and controversy: Critics, including major mainstream medical associations and LGBTQ+ advocacy groups, argue that her narrative is used to promote sweeping restrictions on evidence-based, medically necessary healthcare. They maintain that gender-affirming care is safe, effective, and supervised under rigorous clinical standards.
So even using the cases you provided, transgenderism was NOT a result of adult or family abuse and supports the reality the a small percentage of all human societies experience transgender expressions. They, as your "evidence" demonstrates are not the victims of adult family abuse.
On the positive side, I do not believe that transgender medical intervention is appropriate for those under 18. That goes against current medical and legal norms, but I have not seen any Christian outreach to these people so they unfortunately with their parents need support outside their church. That is specifically why people with an antagonistic self-righteousness find anyone truly different to be a threat to their dogmas. Fewer than 1,200 gender-affirming surgeries are performed on transgender minors (ages 17 and younger) each year in the United States, according to major peer-reviewed medical studies and public health databases.The data consistently shows that surgical interventions for minors are highly rare, making up a tiny fraction of overall transgender medical care.
Kathy Grace Duncan is a Christian ministry leader, speaker, and prominent detransitoner who lived as a transgender man for 11 years before transitioning back to her biological sex. She currently leads the Women and Transgender Ministries at the Portland Fellowship in Oregon, an organization that provides biblical guidance on issues of sexuality and gender identity. She never claimed any parental abuse.
Personal Background Childhood Desires: Duncan recalls wanting to be a boy from the age of three or four, long before starting school. which support every thing scientific that I have presented
Chloe Cole is a young adult activist from California who began identifying as a transgender male around age 12. She never claimed parental abuse
The Medical procedures she requested and underwent included puberty blockers and testosterone starting at age 13, followed by a double mastectomy at age 15.Detransitioning occurred around age 16, after which she returned to identifying as female and stated she experienced physical and psychological regret. Legal action was filed by Cole against Kaiser Permanente and her former medical providers, alleging a lack of informed consent and that she was rushed into irreversible procedures as a minor. Public platform involvement includes speaking with conservative politicians, testifying before state legislatures and Congress, and advocating nationally alongside groups like the Young America's Foundation to restrict medical transitions for minors.Views on Transgenderism and Medical Care Opposition to minor transition: Cole argues that minors lack the developmental maturity to consent to life-altering, irreversible medical interventions.
Critique of the medical establishment: She contends that at here request and that of her parents medical professionals and therapists rushed her into social and physical transition instead of properly treating underlying psychological distress or discomfort with puberty. Advocacy for bans: She actively supports state and federal legislative efforts to ban puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, and surgical procedures for individuals under 18. The Fox Varian Verdict: In January 2026, a 22-year-old detransitioner named Fox Varian won a landmark $2 million jury verdict in New York. The jury found her former surgeon and psychologist liable for medical malpractice regarding a double mastectomy performed when she was 16. Chloe Cole heavily publicized this win, noting it sets a hopeful precedent for her own active case and the amount of money she can win..
Criticism and controversy: Critics, including major mainstream medical associations and LGBTQ+ advocacy groups, argue that her narrative is used to promote sweeping restrictions on evidence-based, medically necessary healthcare. They maintain that gender-affirming care is safe, effective, and supervised under rigorous clinical standards.
So even using the cases you provided, transgenderism was NOT a result of adult or family abuse and supports the reality the a small percentage of all human societies experience transgender expressions. They, as your "evidence" demonstrates are not the victims of adult family abuse.
Excuse me, I know Kathy Grace the abuse she saw her mother received from Her father is what led her to not to want to be a women. She saw her mother suffering from Coe-dependency. So, clearly do not know what you are talking about and do not know Kathy Grace. I assume you are not one who hold to the biblical authority concerning God of the bibles Creation? And His order.
At least 532,000 children are confirmed victims of abuse and neglect in the US every year, with parents responsible for nearly 85% to 90% of these cases. Because many instances go unreported, broader public health tracking by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that actual figures are much higher, with roughly 1 in 7 children experiencing maltreatment annually. According to annual findings compiled by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services via the child welfare system:Total Referrals: Child protection agencies receive roughly 4 million referral reports concerning alleged maltreatment of over 7 million children each year.Substantiated Victims: More than 530,000 children are officially verified as victims of abuse and neglect after state investigations.Parental Perpetrators: Parents or primary caretakers account for approximately 89% of all confirmed abuse and neglect cases.Fatalities: An estimated 1,700 to 1,900 children die from abuse and neglect annually, with a parent or legal guardian involved in over 80% of these.
There is no scientific data or statistical evidence to suggest a direct causal link between childhood abuse by parents and a child becoming transgender. While abuse does not cause someone to become transgender, public health data shows that transgender individuals suffer disproportionately high rates of abuse from their families. This implies that families abuse children AFTER then exhibit transgender confusion.
Studies published by institutions like the American Academy of Pediatrics indicate that up to 73% of transgender adolescents report experiencing psychological abuse, and 39% report physical abuse only after they exhibit transgender concerns. Not before.
Peer-reviewed research, such as studies found via the National Institutes of Health (NIH), consistently demonstrates that this abuse typically occurs after a youth exhibits gender-nonconforming behavior or discloses their identity. The elevated risk of parental violence is primarily driven by familial rejection, stigma, and transphobia, rather than the abuse occurring first and creating the gender identity.
On one hand you have two people making $$ off their claims that certain "religious communities" want to hear but deny or exclude real nationwide data.
You are incorrect, the data from APA and other liberal pro LGBTQ organizations which you're regurgitating has grossly undermined scientific evidence of transgender dysphoria.
As a minster and those I work with in Child Protective agencies/Services in CA and AZ. You are clearly ill-informed. Transgender has a beginning which is clearly seen if the bias of those who only want one outcome, refuse to see or suppress the truth. because of pollical reasons and money. Then origin is:
1. phonography addictions ,
2. broken homes with no father in the family for male leader ship or role model.
The idea of Transgender and Children is child abuse. When adults reenforce this mindset in children who do not know any better, due to immaturity is a crime.
Only a pervert, or child molester or a parent lacking skills to raise their child would teach, allow, and support such a abuse. Those who are living transgender life styles over 90% take anti-depressants or other mind altering drugs. While pushing a false narrative that they are happy.
Again You are not Biblical or discerning.
Transgenderism is an end road for life. There is no reproducing of the next generation. It is demonic and an attack on the family as God intended it to be. There is no such thing as a Transgender Christian or a gay Christian. God did not make one to be self-deceived. Those like you who cause children to stumble will have the greater judgement.
Again this is a Biblical perspective not a worldly one. Transgender, Kabuki, drag, and kathoey culture of Thailand. all have roots in entertainment, and being raised as momma's helper and child abuse and lack of parenting.
In the United States many who are transgender were addicted to Porn, or have an identify crises. When doctors , and teachers tell a 7 year old they should have been a girl instead of a boy and laws of the land take away parents rights to be informed that teachers and doctors are abusing their children, proves we are closer to the coming of the Lord than most are aware of.
The science of mathematical fractals has impacted my understanding of God's fundamental requirement for salvation:
As I pondered and prayed about primitive but universal truth, I received insight that the soteriological nucleus (GRFS) can be compared to a fractal design. A fractal is a never-ending geometric pattern where a shape repeats itself in smaller and smaller sizes, so that when you zoom in on a fractal design forever, you see each part is a microcosm of the whole design. What is the soteriological shape/fractal truth in the divine design/plan? God's Love (1John 4:7-16), which can be described/portrayed metaphorically as a fractal.
Jesus implied that a child too young to know Scripture can be saved (Matt. 19:14), and Paul indicated every sinner who has ever lived has no excuse for not reflecting the Creator's good/loving nature (Rom. 1:20, 2:6-11, 5:5). This kerygmatic truth is the fractal fact all who are saved (including on CC) agree on, no matter which aspect of the hippo/design they see from where they are. This is what we have called the foreshadowed or proto-Gospel and which is identified with the Holy Spirit (Rom. 5:5).