How has science impacted your perspective on the Hebrew Bible?

[GWH]

Not RC kind of bread and wine view.
But blood covenant view of the scripture. As Jesus says, his body, his blood, we need to drink and eat, so it is Christ in us, literally.

I believe spiritual and physical is highly related. Jesus and Holy spirit are in one, trinity are one. So blood covenant can be the seal of holy spirit enter into us. We become God's temple.

Hence no more building a 3rd physical temple in modern day middle east. No more looking for a red heifer.

Yes, the HS literally indwells those who partake of Christ's body and blood figuratively.

 

[GWH]

Science is a carnal minded interpretation of how God created all things.In Colossians 1 it says that he is before all things, and by him all things consist.When the verse goes on about how he reconciles all things through the blood of his cross you receive the revelation that God spoke everything into existence through spirit,water,blood.
Science is mans way of trying to understand how God created things.
I don't know how to explain it really.Think of how God made man from the dust of the ground,or dirt.Dirt itself has a process that it has to go through in order for it to become dirt.I don't know how but it probably starts on a molecular level in the right conditions.
The only way that is possible is because God has made a way for it through his Living Word.
Dirt itself doesn't become dirt without other environmental factors.Man tries to explain it,God created it to work that way through spirit,water,blood.All things are held together by it and they're as one like the covenants are as one.
However God made all things to work together,or how they work in general on a singular level is layered like an onion but they're held the same way.
That's what science tries to understand,but with God out of the equation.

There are many Christian scientists, and my Dad was one, so you should have stopped with "science is trying to understand
how God created and operates things".

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

There are many Christian scientists, and my Dad was one, so you should have stopped with "science is trying to understand
how God created and operates things".

Sorry.I know there's christian scientists.I was talking about most scientist in general.

 

[Churchgoer]

God is the one create science, man is the one discover science from God.

I have a lot of respect to Issac newton, classical physics, till maxwell quantum physics, absolutely fascinating, geniuses. Many many true scientists.

From math to physics, you can see God's design in every calculation. Nothing is coincidence.

I am sure in other fields too.

I only know a little in math and physics.

 

[GWH]

Sorry.I know there's christian scientists.I was talking about most scientist in general.

Oh, okay.
However, just as true Christians love Truth (2Thes. 2:10), true hard scientists love facts,
so both humbly admit fallibility and desire to learn more (2Cor. 5:7).
GW in Scripture and GW in Creation will jibe when understood correctly.

 

[lrs68]

Theoretically speaking Science is attempting to provide answers through research and methodology outside of just saying God did it. There's no reason to be alarmed by the purpose of Scientific Method and the results because that's is the best understanding mankind truly has on his own ability. And with that in mind Science has made a rule to never use the definitive we know as Fact. They always use Theory because every theory has changed and theory is an ever evolving concept. You keep this in mind then Science cannot offend you.

I only agree with about 60% of all theories listed but then again nothing new has been discovered to replace them. But I am not offended by Science as much as Science is offended by the understanding of Creationism. And that is funny to me. Atheist will be atheist, agnostic will be agnostic, and I find humor in their offense over my convicted beliefs.

 

[biblestudent78]

You are correct about this being a spiritual war that has been going on for generations. Here is a summary I gleaned from various sources:

How We Got Here: A Summary of USA History

After declaring independence from England in 1776, winning it in the Revolutionary War and defending it in the War of 1812, slavery caused the Civil War in 1860 and then struggles for equality and the right for all citizens to vote threatened our unity. In the 1900s, dictators attacked freedom, provoking World War I in 1914, WWII in 1940 and the Korean War in 1950. Then the high cost and eventual loss of both the Vietnam War in 1973 and the War on Islamic Terrorists from 9-11-91 until 2019 divided and damaged our country. Today (2022) our nation that began as a republic established by the U.S. Constitution appears to be in danger of becoming an authoritarian socialist state.

While the history of wars against external threats to our liberty is fairly well known, what is only recently becoming apparent is the threat our disunity will end in socialism, which now governs most of the world and almost every aspect of our society–education, entertainment, news, social media, banking and monopolistic businesses–corrupting politicians and elections.

The main cause of this corruption is that following WWII America allowed subversive educators to infiltrate universities, including Herbert Marcuse and Marxist Saul Alinsky, whose book Rules for Radicals was dedicated to Satan and whose rules included deception and violence (the end justifies the means). The teachings of such radical professors has influenced many college students (including Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama) to favor socialist policies. (See The War for America’s Soul by Gorka, p. 59-65.) Many Americans are oblivious to the slow disintegration of the Constitutional consensus, because the owners of most news media were similarly educated and sympathetic.

A main financier of the socialist movement has been George Soros, who became a billionaire, established a network called the Open Society Foundation to promote a global government, and since 2003 has been financing numerous socialist groups in the U.S. (See "The Shadow Party" by Horowitz & Poe, p. 78-95 & 177-82.) Another leader of the globalist cabal or “new world order” is Klaus Schwab, founder of the World Economic Forum in 1971, which meets annually in Davos, Switzerland. He envisions a technological revolution that transforms the world (including America), converting humans who freely worship God into drones coerced by a fascist-communist state as in China. A prominent American participant in the WEF is Bill Gates. (See "The Great Reset" by A. Jones, p. 4-7, 28 & 95.)

The globalists began to conspire with communist China (the CCP) in 1978, when the Trilateral Commission befriended Chinese leaders and sought a New International Economic Order. Since then the CCP has pursued a clever strategy that has steadily weakened the U.S. as China gained power, currently on display as its military buildup, the COVID-19 pandemic, aggression against Taiwan and the “One Road One Belt” policy. It aims to surpass the U.S. and dominate Eurasia by the year 2049. (See "Reset", p. 40-44 & War, p. 136.)

Recently, authoritative Biden administration dictates weakened the U.S. and attempted to banish conservative Constitutionalist opposition. Much of the news media fail to report this truth, so that many people remain ignorant of the dissolution of the American dream of liberty for all (like frogs being boiled alive because the water temperature is raised slowly). President Trump and the MAGA party are trying to reverse the destructive tide, but Dems continue to be financed by Marxist billionaires, so the war continues.
Where will we go from here?

I get the political dogma, but what does your political theses have to do with science? You seem to be saying science is controlled by and owned by nefarious political forces. Right?

 

[biblestudent78]

Scientists have yet to explain how matter and antimatter did not cancel themselves out at the supposed big bang.

So what implications about science do you draw from your last statement?

 

[DeanM]

I get the political dogma, but what does your political theses have to do with science? You seem to be saying science is controlled by and owned by nefarious political forces. Right?

Science is funded by grants. Its not a stretch to believe the results favor those funding the research.

 

[biblestudent78]

DeanM
I believe you may not fully understand how science is funded in America:

Private Industry/Business (62–87%): Businesses are the largest source of R&D funding, primarily focusing on applied research and experimental development to create marketable products.

Federal Government (22–34%): Federal agencies, including the NIH, NSF, DoD, and NASA, provide significant funding for basic research.

Higher Education (4–25%): Universities use their own internal funds to support research, representing a significant portion of academic R&D.

Nonprofits & Philanthropy (5%): Private foundations, such as the Breast Cancer Research Foundation or David and Lucile Packard Foundation, fund targeted scientific research.

I do not believe that ALL are working on a subversive agenda.

 

[DeanM]

DeanM
I believe you may not fully understand how science is funded in America:

Private Industry/Business (62–87%): Businesses are the largest source of R&D funding, primarily focusing on applied research and experimental development to create marketable products.

Federal Government (22–34%): Federal agencies, including the NIH, NSF, DoD, and NASA, provide significant funding for basic research.

Higher Education (4–25%): Universities use their own internal funds to support research, representing a significant portion of academic R&D.

Nonprofits & Philanthropy (5%): Private foundations, such as the Breast Cancer Research Foundation or David and Lucile Packard Foundation, fund targeted scientific research.

I do not believe that ALL are working on a subversive agenda.

Global cooling-wrong-Dead polar bears-wrong. Oh almost forgot all sea life dead by year 2000 due to oil spills-wrong. There are more but you get the point. Now ask yourself, which party would benefit from from these fake results? They couldnt sell global cooling or warming so now its climate change.

 

[GWH]

Theoretically speaking Science is attempting to provide answers through research and methodology outside of just saying God did it. There's no reason to be alarmed by the purpose of Scientific Method and the results because that's is the best understanding mankind truly has on his own ability. And with that in mind Science has made a rule to never use the definitive we know as Fact. They always use Theory because every theory has changed and theory is an ever evolving concept. You keep this in mind then Science cannot offend you.

I only agree with about 60% of all theories listed but then again nothing new has been discovered to replace them. But I am not offended by Science as much as Science is offended by the understanding of Creationism. And that is funny to me. Atheist will be atheist, agnostic will be agnostic, and I find humor in their offense over my convicted beliefs.

Well, I think it is silly to view facts as theories, but we do need to discern the difference between them,
which is why I use the adjective "hard" fact as opposed to unproven or debatable theories, such as evoludtion

 

[GWH]

I get the political dogma, but what does your political theses have to do with science? You seem to be saying science is controlled by and owned by nefarious political forces. Right?

The social sciences and soft sciences such as medicine, yes.

It is more difficult to control hard science, although there is always a lunatic fringe that jumps off bridges without a safety rope.

 

[Churchgoer]

Science for centuries has done a lot of good things in our life. Houses, bridges, lighting, good medicines.... for that I am thankful to God's creation, including science.

 

[lrs68]

Well, I think it is silly to view facts as theories, but we do need to discern the difference between them,
which is why I use the adjective "hard" fact as opposed to unproven or debatable theories, such as evoludtion

Whenever volcanic lava spews out and flows downward through the natural environment it carves up a pathway that resembles what Geologist's claim is multi layers of different sediment meaning in theory billions of years.

But one single eruption that took several hours created the same effect.

The Flood of Noah with gushing water coming up from the earth and rain downpouring created a similar effect upon the Grand Canyon which Geologist's claim took several billions of years to create when we understand God did it in a couple of weeks.

When meteors crash into the surface of the earth and the impact of massive heat and compaction creates a similar effect and Geologist's once again misage it.

One thing I always am intrigued about is the dating method using uranium. Tree Rings and Isotopes are more logical and practical but they're very limited to trees and ice. But Uranium is unusual because no one knows how long it takes for it to become mature other than guessing billions of years. Then Geologist's will take this mythical age and add a half shelf life to it and use it to date the age of items like rock, sediment, coal, diamonds, etc.

It's truly illogical but yet it's classified as Scientific Method. And that is where I begin to struggle because Mathematics on its own is absolute and true. But when you add it to Uranium Dating Methods you have made Mathematics fallible.

 

[Gideon300]

So what implications about science do you draw from your last statement?

Modern science is the pursuit of knowledge apart from God. It was not always the case. The early scientists such as Newton, Bacon, Boyle and many others believed in God.

The modern definition of science states that everything must have a materialistic basis. As soon as anyone speaks of the spiritual, it is howled down as non-scientific. Tell that to Isaac Newton.

I'm all for research that does good for humanity. People like Professor James Tour are living proof that a scientist can indeed be a believer. Look up his resume.

Just one of the many companies he started is this:
Neurocords

Neurocords provides medical devices, including orthopedic implants for the human body. Neurocords has licensed technology developed by Dr. Tour’s investigators at Rice University. The research discovered a way to split carbon nanotubes to make graphene nanoribbons. Potential applications include repairing damaged spinal cords and optic nerves.

Established: 2023
Type: Private
Phase: Startup

That is what I call science. It has great benefit for mankind. The fruitless search for dark matter is what I call a terrible waste of money and undoubted talent. I add that everything to do with Origin of Life research and evolutionary biology is likewise a terrible waste.

 

[Gideon300]

Science for centuries has done a lot of good things in our life. Houses, bridges, lighting, good medicines.... for that I am thankful to God's creation, including science.

Science has also convinced vast numbers of people that there is no God, or if there is it is of no importance. Science has given us nuclear weapons that could send humanity back to the stone age.

Darwin's evolution theory did not give rise to racism, but it did add a pseudo scientific basis for it. He himself was racist. He wrote that the Turks were likely to disappear as they were inferior. He also said that it would be a good thing.

Hitler used Darwin's theory as the basis for his "master race" concept. Unspeakable evils resulted.

If the human race had not disobeyed God, there would be no need for science. We would have received our wisdom and abilities directly from God. And God will have His way and believers will be restored to the beings that God intended for us all along.​

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

There are many Christian scientists, and my Dad was one, so you should have stopped with "science is trying to understand
how God created and operates things".

That's quite a legacy.
What field of science did he study?

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Science has also convinced vast numbers of people that there is no God, or if there is it is of no importance. Science has given us nuclear weapons that could send humanity back to the stone age.

Darwin's evolution theory did not give rise to racism, but it did add a pseudo scientific basis for it. He himself was racist. He wrote that the Turks were likely to disappear as they were inferior. He also said that it would be a good thing.

Hitler used Darwin's theory as the basis for his "master race" concept. Unspeakable evils resulted.

If the human race had not disobeyed God, there would be no need for science. We would have received our wisdom and abilities directly from God. And God will have His way and believers will be restored to the beings that God intended for us all along.​

This is the kind that I call a false religion or science so called....I Timothy 6:20

The devil has his hand in every area of study. Science has turned into an idol in the western nations, so much money goes towards the search for alternatives to God.

True science, as you pointed out, follows an orderly search for knowledge and acknowledges the rules God has established in the physical realm.

 

[biblestudent78]

Modern science is the pursuit of knowledge apart from God. It was not always the case. The early scientists such as Newton, Bacon, Boyle and many others believed in God.

The modern definition of science states that everything must have a materialistic basis. As soon as anyone speaks of the spiritual, it is howled down as non-scientific. Tell that to Isaac Newton.

I'm all for research that does good for humanity. People like Professor James Tour are living proof that a scientist can indeed be a believer. Look up his resume.

Just one of the many companies he started is this:
Neurocords

Neurocords provides medical devices, including orthopedic implants for the human body. Neurocords has licensed technology developed by Dr. Tour’s investigators at Rice University. The research discovered a way to split carbon nanotubes to make graphene nanoribbons. Potential applications include repairing damaged spinal cords and optic nerves.

Established: 2023
Type: Private
Phase: Startup

That is what I call science. It has great benefit for mankind. The fruitless search for dark matter is what I call a terrible waste of money and undoubted talent. I add that everything to do with Origin of Life research and evolutionary biology is likewise a terrible waste.

Is it your hypothesis that scientists who believe in God are the "good" scientists? Exactly how do you determine who does and does not believe in God and how that either validates their work or dismisses it?

Have you ever considered that at one point in your evolutionary life you were nothing but a single cell that evolved?

It strikes me that you have God-like skill to determine what is "good science" and what is a terrible waste. The very evolutionary processes you seem to abhor are exactly how antibiotics were discovered and how they are tested.

Evolutionary biology was and is fundamental to understanding disease, combating drug resistant pathogens and increasing crop yields to name a few you might be familiar with. Where do you place Gregor Mendel, the father of modern genetics who validated the law of dominance, the law of segregation and the law of independent assortment?

Cancer acts as an evolutionary process within the body. All advances in cancer treatment is based on understanding the evolutionary processes within our cells. The longest living animals have evolved significant ability to detect cancer cells and defeat them. Understanding that cancer is an evolving adaptive system allows researchers to create therapies to combat their rapid evolution.