How has science impacted your perspective on the Hebrew Bible?

[biblestudent78]

The Hubble space based telescope is looking back over 1 billion yrs in the past. Paleontology has demonstrate humanity has existed over hundreds of thousand of years. Geologists believe the earth is about 4 billion yrs old. Geoscientists look at crude oil that comes from 15,000 ft below the surface and see pollen grains, plant spores and algal cysts of ancient algae demonstrating ancient life on earth. These and many other data from the scientific community seem to describe a world very different than that of Genesis. How we relate to these evolving facts and how do we inform our children on the data that confronts the Genesis account?

 

[Ceph]

All that is currently speculation made with highly theoretical and practically unconfirmed methods of measuring distance and time.

 

[dkontner]

Just wow

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Paleontology has demonstrated that they can swindle the public out of hundreds of millions of dollars to support their silly religion.

Carl Sagan and friends said the words "Billions and Billions" enough times until they were funded Billion$ and Billion$ of dollars to attempt futiley to disprove the existence of God.

O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

I Timothy 6:20

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Atheism's Silly high priest

 

[tablet123]

The Hubble space based telescope is looking back over 1 billion yrs in the past. Paleontology has demonstrate humanity has existed over hundreds of thousand of years. Geologists believe the earth is about 4 billion yrs old. Geoscientists look at crude oil that comes from 15,000 ft below the surface and see pollen grains, plant spores and algal cysts of ancient algae demonstrating ancient life on earth. These and many other data from the scientific community seem to describe a world very different than that of Genesis. How we relate to these evolving facts and how do we inform our children on the data that confronts the Genesis account?

One day the world will rebel against God adapting a system that exalts people by believing they will evolve to be spiritual, and greater, and stop the preaching of the truth.

The devil is a liar and people who want that system may lie to promote that system and creep in to governments, religions, and organizations to promote it.

They believe the system is the truth but they will still lie not really being able to prove anything but it benefits them.

The new age christianity is the religion of the antichrist and will have the support of the Pope and Science to help in his agenda to establish the new age which both were influenced by the new age.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The new age christianity that interprets the Bible and religions according to the occult and evolution, and people are going to evolve to be spiritual, and greater, and Jesus became an ascended master among others, and there is no personal God, but they honor the God of forces the power of the Cosmos, and the New Age Christ is the next world teacher.

The time will come that people will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but want to hear it according to the new age.

The Roman Empire does not lose their dominion until Jesus puts down the world and they shall devour the whole earth, tread it down, and break it in pieces, which is by way of the new age that influences the world.

When the antichrist starts working in the world he will push the agenda of the new age which the Pope will publicly claim the new age christianity as the truth of the Bible.

I believe Science was saying outlandish things that would promote the Bible as false to get people away from the Bible and the belief in a personal God and then give them the new age interpretation.

I believe Science has been lying not really having discoveries and not really being able to prove them or they think it is true because human nature wants to believe what it wants to believe.

Science and new age spirituality are increasingly overlapping.

Modern fields like quantum physics, neuroscience, and psychedelics are validating or borrowing from concepts that new age beliefs have held for decades.

The new age will be creeping in to wherever they can to influence and eventually it will be the world's believe system.

For it is the religion of the antichrist which are doctrines of devils and seducing spirits.

 

[GWH]

The Hubble space based telescope is looking back over 1 billion yrs in the past. Paleontology has demonstrate humanity has existed over hundreds of thousand of years. Geologists believe the earth is about 4 billion yrs old. Geoscientists look at crude oil that comes from 15,000 ft below the surface and see pollen grains, plant spores and algal cysts of ancient algae demonstrating ancient life on earth. These and many other data from the scientific community seem to describe a world very different than that of Genesis. How we relate to these evolving facts and how do we inform our children on the data that confronts the Genesis account?

Genesis tells Who created the world and why; science attempts to understand how.

 

[timf]

Here is an article about how untrustworthy modern "science is"

How Science was Hijacked

1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

The Greek word translated “science” is gnosis which means knowledge. Similar to “babblings”, this false”knowledge” might be seen as baseless assertions. Often made by people with an exaggerated opinion of themselves, these assertions can be harmful to those bullied into accepting them as truth.

If one considers institutions of higher learning, one can find a concentration of this sort of false “knowledge”. The Greek academy descended into sophistry as the logic of argument gave way to the theater of the posturing attorney. In recent times those who were exploring the creation of God and measuring the rules God had established for nature to function, what is called science gained credibility because it was a reflection of the truth of God through his creation.

Once institutions were established information about creation became considered the sacred purview of scholars, these were divided into areas of specialization such as physics, chemistry, and biology. As a result, scholars accepted as truth what others outside of their field of specialization declared. Even within their own fields speculation started to replace fact. God was removed from his creation and so-called natural laws were studied as if they had come into being on their own.

Evolution was a key advance in removing God from his creation. The idea that nothing existed and then blew up to become everything which then organized itself into us was welcomed as it allowed man to see himself at the pinnacle of the universe. Things like political “science” and social “science” began to be added to the knowledge base as equal to the truth found in nature. In a way it allowed a replacement “truth” to be used.

Perhaps the Kinsey Report published in the late 1940s was a test to see how ridiculous what was passing for “science” could be foisted on a gullible public. While human conspiracy theories imply a level of competence not often seen, Satanic manipulation should be expected as he is said to set the course of the world (Eph 2:2). One might see him as advancing collectivism in general so that he might be able to leverage his influence to make his move to try to take over the world. One might also see his hand in the establishment of universities in an attempt to promote an alternative to truth that makes humans blind and vulnerable to his other manipulations.

The bible tells us that knowledge puffs up (1Cor 8:1), but wisdom is from God (James 1:5). Having a high IQ allows one to retain a lot of knowledge, but can actually hinder wisdom and the perception of truth. The commercial world and academia can provide an almost endless supply of “experts” making all sorts of assertions to manipulate people into submitting to their “expertise”.

Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. - John 8:31-32

 

[GWH]

Here is an article about how untrustworthy modern "science is"

How Science was Hijacked

1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

The Greek word translated “science” is gnosis which means knowledge. Similar to “babblings”, this false”knowledge” might be seen as baseless assertions. Often made by people with an exaggerated opinion of themselves, these assertions can be harmful to those bullied into accepting them as truth.

If one considers institutions of higher learning, one can find a concentration of this sort of false “knowledge”. The Greek academy descended into sophistry as the logic of argument gave way to the theater of the posturing attorney. In recent times those who were exploring the creation of God and measuring the rules God had established for nature to function, what is called science gained credibility because it was a reflection of the truth of God through his creation.

Once institutions were established information about creation became considered the sacred purview of scholars, these were divided into areas of specialization such as physics, chemistry, and biology. As a result, scholars accepted as truth what others outside of their field of specialization declared. Even within their own fields speculation started to replace fact. God was removed from his creation and so-called natural laws were studied as if they had come into being on their own.

Evolution was a key advance in removing God from his creation. The idea that nothing existed and then blew up to become everything which then organized itself into us was welcomed as it allowed man to see himself at the pinnacle of the universe. Things like political “science” and social “science” began to be added to the knowledge base as equal to the truth found in nature. In a way it allowed a replacement “truth” to be used.

Perhaps the Kinsey Report published in the late 1940s was a test to see how ridiculous what was passing for “science” could be foisted on a gullible public. While human conspiracy theories imply a level of competence not often seen, Satanic manipulation should be expected as he is said to set the course of the world (Eph 2:2). One might see him as advancing collectivism in general so that he might be able to leverage his influence to make his move to try to take over the world. One might also see his hand in the establishment of universities in an attempt to promote an alternative to truth that makes humans blind and vulnerable to his other manipulations.

The bible tells us that knowledge puffs up (1Cor 8:1), but wisdom is from God (James 1:5). Having a high IQ allows one to retain a lot of knowledge, but can actually hinder wisdom and the perception of truth. The commercial world and academia can provide an almost endless supply of “experts” making all sorts of assertions to manipulate people into submitting to their “expertise”.

Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. - John 8:31-32

Gnosis may be true or false.
IOW, both physical Creation and spiritual Scripture manifest GW.
Thus, they harmonize/jibe when both are understood/interpreted correctly.

 

[biblestudent78]

One day the world will rebel against God adapting a system that exalts people by believing they will evolve to be spiritual, and greater, and stop the preaching of the truth.

The devil is a liar and people who want that system may lie to promote that system and creep in to governments, religions, and organizations to promote it.

They believe the system is the truth but they will still lie not really being able to prove anything but it benefits them.

The new age christianity is the religion of the antichrist and will have the support of the Pope and Science to help in his agenda to establish the new age which both were influenced by the new age.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The new age christianity that interprets the Bible and religions according to the occult and evolution, and people are going to evolve to be spiritual, and greater, and Jesus became an ascended master among others, and there is no personal God, but they honor the God of forces the power of the Cosmos, and the New Age Christ is the next world teacher.

The time will come that people will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but want to hear it according to the new age.

The Roman Empire does not lose their dominion until Jesus puts down the world and they shall devour the whole earth, tread it down, and break it in pieces, which is by way of the new age that influences the world.

When the antichrist starts working in the world he will push the agenda of the new age which the Pope will publicly claim the new age christianity as the truth of the Bible.

I believe Science was saying outlandish things that would promote the Bible as false to get people away from the Bible and the belief in a personal God and then give them the new age interpretation.

I believe Science has been lying not really having discoveries and not really being able to prove them or they think it is true because human nature wants to believe what it wants to believe.

Science and new age spirituality are increasingly overlapping.

Modern fields like quantum physics, neuroscience, and psychedelics are validating or borrowing from concepts that new age beliefs have held for decades.

The new age will be creeping in to wherever they can to influence and eventually it will be the world's believe system.

For it is the religion of the antichrist which are doctrines of devils and seducing spirits.

Don't you think it kinda curious that you are using a highly evolved scientific network that includes sciences you believe is satanic in order to express your denial of the validity of the science you are using?

 

[biblestudent78]

Don't you think it kinda curious that you are using a highly evolved scientific network that includes sciences you believe is satanic in order to express your denial of the validity of the science you are using? What is your eye color? Do you think it might have to do with genetic inheritance or just something God gave you? If you drive a car it run by a computer running extensive code you do not understand or even know exists. If you use a cellphone you are using a scientific space based system that is itself based on the very science you see as demonic. Please define "New Age Beliefs"

 

[biblestudent78]

Just wow

I am interested to understand how your addresses my question. Is there any science that is God given or are all science of satan?

 

[dkontner]

I am interested to understand how your addresses my question. Is there any science that is God given or are all science of satan?

Satan created nothing.

 

[JohnRH]

The Hubble space based telescope is looking back over 1 billion yrs in the past. Paleontology has demonstrate humanity has existed over hundreds of thousand of years. Geologists believe the earth is about 4 billion yrs old. Geoscientists look at crude oil that comes from 15,000 ft below the surface and see pollen grains, plant spores and algal cysts of ancient algae demonstrating ancient life on earth. These and many other data from the scientific community seem to describe a world very different than that of Genesis. How we relate to these evolving facts and how do we inform our children on the data that confronts the Genesis account?

God created Adam & Eve as adults with an appearance of having been born as babies years prior. It was the same thing with the rest of the 6 day creation.
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is ... Ex 20:11 (KJV)

 

[biblestudent78]

GWH
So help me tease out "true science from false science." Just type T for true science and F for false science
Math
Chemistry
Physics
Architecture
Medicine
Astronomy
Biology
Earth Science
Natural Science
Genetics

Does the idea of evolving knowledge about the world threaten your faith? How do you see a connection between what you believe to be true, though obviously unprovable, and the unprovable science you reject?

 

[Kainos]

The Hubble space based telescope is looking back over 1 billion yrs in the past. Paleontology has demonstrate humanity has existed over hundreds of thousand of years. Geologists believe the earth is about 4 billion yrs old. Geoscientists look at crude oil that comes from 15,000 ft below the surface and see pollen grains, plant spores and algal cysts of ancient algae demonstrating ancient life on earth. These and many other data from the scientific community seem to describe a world very different than that of Genesis. How we relate to these evolving facts and how do we inform our children on the data that confronts the Genesis account?

Empirical science is a restricted way of pursuing knowledge.

Without God, the mind is limited to those branches of study which only seek to explain the material universe. Data gathered through scientific instruments (e.g., telescopes, microscopes) does not account for Creation by the Word: the visible from the Invisible.

 

[Churchgoer]

The Hubble space based telescope is looking back over 1 billion yrs in the past. Paleontology has demonstrate humanity has existed over hundreds of thousand of years. Geologists believe the earth is about 4 billion yrs old. Geoscientists look at crude oil that comes from 15,000 ft below the surface and see pollen grains, plant spores and algal cysts of ancient algae demonstrating ancient life on earth. These and many other data from the scientific community seem to describe a world very different than that of Genesis. How we relate to these evolving facts and how do we inform our children on the data that confronts the Genesis account?

Oh how i absolutely love scripture and love science.
The more I learn science, the more I see it complies with scripture. If it does not, then it is not true science.

Let's see thermal dynamic 1st and 2nd law, matches Genesis.
Quantum physics, matches Bible....

Enjoy digging!

 

[wattie]

An example of things that challenge the long ages:

Animals that have to appear fully formed from the start, to function at all. Irreducible complexity. This affects the long ages, because like nature.. animals can appear to be fully formed..and nature itself appear aged, in very short durations of time.

Examples.. you can't devolve the eye into something earlier because the whole eye would not work. You can't take the heart, lungs, brain etc..from a person and they function.

Mountains can and have formed very quickly with the example of Mt St Helen's in the 1980s.

The main thing though is whether these supposed facts in the op carry major presuppositions that affect the results.

 

[biblestudent78]

Here is an article about how untrustworthy modern "science is"

How Science was Hijacked

1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

The Greek word translated “science” is gnosis which means knowledge. Similar to “babblings”, this false”knowledge” might be seen as baseless assertions. Often made by people with an exaggerated opinion of themselves, these assertions can be harmful to those bullied into accepting them as truth.

If one considers institutions of higher learning, one can find a concentration of this sort of false “knowledge”. The Greek academy descended into sophistry as the logic of argument gave way to the theater of the posturing attorney. In recent times those who were exploring the creation of God and measuring the rules God had established for nature to function, what is called science gained credibility because it was a reflection of the truth of God through his creation.

Once institutions were established information about creation became considered the sacred purview of scholars, these were divided into areas of specialization such as physics, chemistry, and biology. As a result, scholars accepted as truth what others outside of their field of specialization declared. Even within their own fields speculation started to replace fact. God was removed from his creation and so-called natural laws were studied as if they had come into being on their own.

Evolution was a key advance in removing God from his creation. The idea that nothing existed and then blew up to become everything which then organized itself into us was welcomed as it allowed man to see himself at the pinnacle of the universe. Things like political “science” and social “science” began to be added to the knowledge base as equal to the truth found in nature. In a way it allowed a replacement “truth” to be used.

Perhaps the Kinsey Report published in the late 1940s was a test to see how ridiculous what was passing for “science” could be foisted on a gullible public. While human conspiracy theories imply a level of competence not often seen, Satanic manipulation should be expected as he is said to set the course of the world (Eph 2:2). One might see him as advancing collectivism in general so that he might be able to leverage his influence to make his move to try to take over the world. One might also see his hand in the establishment of universities in an attempt to promote an alternative to truth that makes humans blind and vulnerable to his other manipulations.

The bible tells us that knowledge puffs up (1Cor 8:1), but wisdom is from God (James 1:5). Having a high IQ allows one to retain a lot of knowledge, but can actually hinder wisdom and the perception of truth. The commercial world and academia can provide an almost endless supply of “experts” making all sorts of assertions to manipulate people into submitting to their “expertise”.

Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. - John 8:31-32

timf
That is a lot to process. Science as babbling is interesting though highly ironic as you are using a very advanced science to explain why it is just babbling.

Just the words science is a massive large tent. That includes biology, botany, zoology, genetics, microbiology, ecology, physics, chemistry, astronomy, astrophysics, biochemistry, geology, oceanography, paleontology, psychology, computer science and mathematics. Which of these are by your biblical beliefs are babblings and false science?

Perhaps we should drop back to some definitions. IMHO science is a system of evidenced based method for observing, understanding and explaining the natural world. It is both a body of accumulated knowledge and an ongoing process of discovery based on rigorous testing, experimentation and logical reasoning. It is a serf-define evolutionary process of validation and reevaluation of data. Do you find this definition valid? Or do you believe science just endless unprovable speculations? Obviously you find science satanic as it sometimes confronts our currently deeply held beliefs that themselves are evolving and based on faith alone.

Back to my original question. How do you or have you communicated to your children you view of science that sometimes confronts strongly held beliefs?

 

[pinebeach]

I am interested to understand how your addresses my question. Is there any science that is God given or are all science of satan?

When you have people in this very forum who believe the earth is flat, I would not hold my breath on an answer that does not smack of mud slinging or words to the effect that you and everyone like you, must be stupid and God will punish you how dare you
ask questions or use your brain you challenged infidel its obvious you just want people to deny God and throw out their Bibles because its very difficult to actually study anything or conclude anything but what a pastor decides to hit us with on a Sunday morning

Some scared individuals seem to think that God is now in a corner defending Himself and saying 'back science back science'. They will tell you that they believe everything about 'In the beginning' and God created which makes a person wonder, if they are so locked into faith, why react with fear if anyone questions their undertanding of Genesis. Is God reduced by questions or impressed
by people in lockstep with their Sunday morning service? (which is not even practiced as per the biblical model but I digress)