How many sins does it take for a christian to become aa sinner? John 9:31 Now we know that God hearth not sinners.

[CharliRenee]

We should be stumbling less and less, growing and maturing, for sure.

We are to be holy because He is.

Yes we all should obey, He calls us to.

But fleshly perfect like Christ was and is. How wonderful it would be to never stumble.

God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, so that no human being might boast in the presence of God. And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, so that, as it is written, "Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord."
1 Corinthians 1:28‭-‬31 ESV

 

[Brandnewday]

Carnality is in our flesh.

Yes. It is why there's a human population born according to what some believe with a sin nature, just as God predestined to occur, and so as to need saving from the judgment of the God that made them that way.

How many really think about what they're being told they are and according to God's will? How many have actually read Isaiah?

 

[Lafftur]

No one will become righteous ...we have righteousness imputed to us.
We are positionally sanctified... we learn to express our position in Christ outward...the flesh is not being redeemed therefore we can never be sinless.

We are ONLY without sin because Yeshua/Jesus took ALL OF OUR SIN away from us.

Sin in us is COMPLETELY GONE. We just have our flesh/carnality to deal with. So we receive the Gift of the Holy Spirit- sealed, baptized and filled.

Now, as true born again believers, filled with the Holy Spirit, we can walk by the Spirit and NOT stumble because we will NOT fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

 

[CharliRenee]

CharliRenee- you are NOT a sinner. You are a true born again believer that loves God. I know you, but just like me and all believers- we stumble because of our flesh/carnality. We fall down, we ask for forgiveness, we get back up, we don’t quit, we keep trying to walk.

We just can’t walk in our flesh, we’ll stumble every time. We are to be filled with the Holy Spirit so we can walk by the Spirit and NOT fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

this is hopeful. It encourages us that with Him all things are possible.

Ok, you have given me some things to seriously think and pray about.

 

[Lightskin]

I was right. Ahole.
Yeah I can tell you're all about grace.

What part of John 3:16 and John 5:24 do you not understand?

On another note, you’ve been reported for your two curse word references.

 

[Lightskin]

We are ONLY without sin because Yeshua/Jesus took ALL OF OUR SIN away from us.

Sin in us is COMPLETELY GONE. We just have our flesh/carnality to deal with. So we receive the Gift of the Holy Spirit- sealed, baptized and filled.

Now, as true born again believers, filled with the Holy Spirit, we can walk by the Spirit and NOT stumble because we will NOT fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

You literally just negated the very title of your own OP with the above post.

 

[Lafftur]

this is hopeful. It encourages us that with Him all things are possible.

Ok, you have given me some things to seriously think and pray about.

Sweet CharliRenee, just simply be filled with the Holy Spirit. Stir up the Gift of the Holy Spirit within you by singing songs in your heart to God (keep posting worship songs on the “Just Wanna Praise Him!” thread), reading, studying, meditating on God’s Word - Bible, fellowship with believers, etc....

We’re all learning HOW to walk. We are NOT sinners anymore.

Much love to you!

 

[CharliRenee]

I was right. Ahole.
Yeah I can tell you're all about grace.

Please refrain from name calling.

 

[Lightskin]

Please refrain from name callin.

Some folks take things personally rather than remaining focused on Scripture.

 

[Lafftur]

I was right. Ahole.
Yeah I can tell you're all about grace.

Hey @Brandnewday - careful, withdraw from the battle field....you’re out of ammo, Go reload, get filled with the Holy Spirit!

We’re not to attack each other.

 

[Lafftur]

You literally just negated the very title of your own OP with the above post.

You are mistaken, go read my post again.

 

[Brandnewday]

Some folks take things personally rather than remaining focused on Scripture.

Yourself included.

 

[CharliRenee]

Some folks take things personally rather than remaining focused on Scripture.

obviously redirecting here, lol...

Familial Hugs and God Bless.

 

[Brandnewday]

Hey @Brandnewday - careful, withdraw from the battle field....you’re out of ammo, Go reload, get filled with the Holy Spirit!

We’re not to attack each other.

You should widen your net to include lightskin. And while you're at it, venture about this forum to all those who act like he does and worse. But I don't see you advising them in such a way. Maybe it is because I'm the new guy? Or maybe because you all don't like it when someone calls out someone who prefers to throw barbs because they don't actually read what the person they hit writes. Their priority is just sarcasm and condescending remarks.
That's not an example of holy spirit filled. That's something the holy spirit was to have evicted from the person.

 

[massorite]

Something that started me to doubt my choice of faith years ago was when I happened on that verse that says, We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly person who does his will.

So much for the veracity of the so called sinners prayer. When God doesn't listen to sinners how does a sinner pray and repent and accept Jesus?
Way too many contradictions to have it consistently make sense and lay claim to being the inspired word of a perfect God. I came to believe man made God in his image and likeness when he wrote a bible and gave a supreme being an anthropomorphic personality. A human personality.
This is why I've said, I can believe in God and not believe in the bible. In fact, I'd wonder if God believes in the bible or approves what is there and attributed to his spirit. Especially when it says of him, he doesn't listen to sinners.
Well, so much for coming to God in prayer and asking forgiveness.
That's why the verse never made sense in light of what the gospel is suppose to mean.

As always we should research and pick apart the Word of God in our efforts to rightly divide/understand the Word of God.
The verse your talking about is John 9:31. The word "hears" in the KJV is not telling us that God doesn't hear sinners who pray because God is the creator of all things and every single soul on the earth, sinner or saved. What the word "hears" means is that God doesn't regard or listen to a sinners prayer but He does hear them. However when the name of Christ is invoked in a prayer the ears of God perk up and he listens whether the prayer is said by the saved or the unsaved so with that in mind the Sinners Prayer of Salvation is always heard by God.
We are all sinners by nature and continue to sin even after we are saved and baptized but the one thing we cannot hide from God is the condition of our hearts and those who pray with a truly contrite and humble heart get the ears of God. He leans over, puts His finger behind His and He listens. LOL just joking. That is how I imagine He would do.
Joh 9:31 Now we know that God hears not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.
How many real unrepentant sinners do you know who would pray to God and invoke the name of Christ?? None, and why would a stone cold sinner pray to a God for any reason if they haven't turned their life over to Christ???
Bottom line here is that you have misunderstood John 9:31 and without doing the necessary research that God requires us to do you will continue to misinterpret or misunderstand the Word Of God. There is no contradiction here.
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[Brandnewday]

As always we should research and pick apart the Word of God in our efforts to rightly divide/understand the Word of God.
The verse your talking about is John 9:31. The word "hears" in the KJV is not telling us that God doesn't hear sinners who pray because God is the creator of all things and every single soul on the earth, sinner or saved. What the word "hears" means is that God doesn't regard or listen to a sinners prayer but He does hear them. However when the name of Christ is invoked in a prayer the ears of God perk up and he listens whether the prayer is said by the saved or the unsaved so with that in mind the Sinners Prayer of Salvation is always heard by God.
We are all sinners by nature and continue to sin even after we are saved and baptized but the one thing we cannot hide from God is the condition of our hearts and those who pray with a truly contrite and humble heart get the ears of God. He leans over, puts His finger behind His and He listens. LOL just joking. That is how I imagine He would do.
Joh 9:31 Now we know that God hears not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.
How many real unrepentant sinners do you know who would pray to God and invoke the name of Christ?? None, and why would a stone cold sinner pray to a God for any reason if they haven't turned their life over to Christ???
Bottom line here is that you have misunderstood John 9:31 and without doing the necessary research that God requires us to do you will continue to misinterpret or misunderstand the Word Of God. There is no contradiction here.
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

It means the same thing even when you rework the scripture. He hears the prayers but he doesn't regard or listen (to listen is the same as hear) to a sinners prayer. Semantics.
The rest of the verse pertains to people he does listen to. Those who worship God and do his will. Which precludes those people from being the aforementioned sinners he does not regard or listen (which is the same as hear) to.
Interestingly enough, that last part of that verse could be used to refute the argument that a Christian is still a sinner.

 

[Lafftur]

You should widen your net to include lightskin. And while you're at it, venture about this forum to all those who act like he does and worse. But I don't see you advising them in such a way. Maybe it is because I'm the new guy? Or maybe because you all don't like it when someone calls out someone who prefers to throw barbs because they don't actually read what the person they hit writes. Their priority is just sarcasm and condescending remarks.
That's not an example of holy spirit filled. That's something the holy spirit was to have evicted from the person.

I’m sorry, @Lightskin did “egg you on” disrespectfully and @Eleventhour is highly intelligent, but comes across condescending in her posts.

They are deep in theology and what I’ve presented to them goes against what they believe to be true.

@Brandnewday - you are loved, as well as Lightskin and EleventhHour.

Let’s all forgive each other - we stumbled. Let’s help each other back up and praise God.........

WE ARE NOT SINNERS ANYMORE!!

HALLELUJAH!!! We are Beloved Children - sisters and brothers!!

 

[Deade]

As always we should research and pick apart the Word of God in our efforts to rightly divide/understand the Word of God.
The verse your talking about is John 9:31. The word "hears" in the KJV is not telling us that God doesn't hear sinners who pray because God is the creator of all things and every single soul on the earth, sinner or saved. What the word "hears" means is that God doesn't regard or listen to a sinners prayer but He does hear them. However when the name of Christ is invoked in a prayer the ears of God perk up and he listens whether the prayer is said by the saved or the unsaved so with that in mind the Sinners Prayer of Salvation is always heard by God.
We are all sinners by nature and continue to sin even after we are saved and baptized but the one thing we cannot hide from God is the condition of our hearts and those who pray with a truly contrite and humble heart get the ears of God. He leans over, puts His finger behind His and He listens. LOL just joking. That is how I imagine He would do.
Joh 9:31 Now we know that God hears not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.
How many real unrepentant sinners do you know who would pray to God and invoke the name of Christ?? None, and why would a stone cold sinner pray to a God for any reason if they haven't turned their life over to Christ???
Bottom line here is that you have misunderstood John 9:31 and without doing the necessary research that God requires us to do you will continue to misinterpret or misunderstand the Word Of God. There is no contradiction here.
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

A couple of points massorite. Most of my life I lived as a traditional Christian in my dysfunctional family. None of us went to church but the matriarchs hung scriptures on the walls. About the only time we prayed together, or at all, was at holiday meals. I think God accepts those prayers of thanksgiving. Like you said God hears all prayers. My thoughts anyway.

I am like you, I would not invoke the name of Christ or ask God for anything unless I were living for Him. My second wife didn't view it like that. Trying to reconcile our different views of God, eventually led us both back into His arms.

Regarding the OP, it is mostly how we view ourselves. I said in an earlier post that God view things across time and space because He can. Scripture suggests that we speak and think just like Him. So, in God's viewpoint we are not sinners. Shouldn't that be our viewpoint also?

 

[massorite]

It means the same thing even when you rework the scripture. He hears the prayers but he doesn't regard or listen (to listen is the same as hear) to a sinners prayer. Semantics.
The rest of the verse pertains to people he does listen to. Those who worship God and do his will. Which precludes those people from being the aforementioned sinners he does not regard or listen (which is the same as hear) to.
Interestingly enough, that last part of that verse could be used to refute the argument that a Christian is still a sinner.

AAAAHHHH shucks I thought I did pretty good. I don't know much about semantics but what I do know is that I looked up the word "hear" to see if what you said was truly a contradiction or not because interpreting that scripture at face value with out doing any research would cause anybody to misinterpret that verse.
But even after I gave you a very good interpretation of what the verse was actually saying you still came up with a way to discredit the interpretation. In other words I put the truth in front of your face and you still couldn't see it. You want to be able to say the Word of God is corrupted. Ok have it your way.

 

[Brandnewday]

I’m sorry, @Lightskin did “egg you on” disrespectfully and @Eleventhour is highly intelligent, but comes across condescending in her posts.

They are deep in theology and what I’ve presented to them goes against what they believe to be true.

@Brandnewday - you are loved, as well as Lightskin and EleventhHour.

Let’s all forgive each other - we stumbled. Let’s help each other back up and praise God.........

WE ARE NOT SINNERS ANYMORE!!

HALLELUJAH!!! We are Beloved Children - sisters and brothers!!

Thanks for that. Forgiveness is always a plus.