If they suddenly allied up with the west back then it would've looked real bad on the world stage; considering Maidan. But we can't talk about Maidan; because it makes Ukraine look bad anyway.
How should Christians view the Ukraine/Russia situation?
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I don't think the Lord takes any side in our constant wars.
Joshua 5:13-15
Now it came about when Joshua was by Jericho, he raised his eyes and looked, and behold,
a man was standing opposite him with his sword drawn in his hand, and Joshua went to him
and said to him, “Are you for us or for our enemies?” He said, “No; rather I have come now
as captain of the army of the Lord.” And Joshua fell on his face to the ground, and bowed down,
and said to him, “What has my lord to say to his servant?” And the captain of the Lord’s army
said to Joshua, “Remove your sandals from your feet, for the place where you are standing
is holy.” And Joshua did so.
We are in a spiritual war now and you have been enlisted in the army of the Lord.
Our weapons are not carnal weapons.
What I meant was not allying up with the West, but having a separate defense alliance with all the countries to the west and southwest of Russia without involving NATO. Those nine countries are Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, and Ukraine. If they included Scandinavia, you have Sweden, Norway, and Denmark. Their combined resources could have put up an excellent lie of defense, and Putin would have simply stayed away. There is only one thing Putin respects and that is military strength. And now the majority of Americans believe that Ukraine cannot win this proxy war.
Poll: Majority of Americans Oppose Unconditional Aid to Ukraine, Say Ukraine Cannot Win War
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...ional-aid-ukraine-say-ukraine-cannot-win-war/
Think of the wasted hundreds of billions of dollars, human lives, infrastructure devastation. And you have Joe Biden to thank for this foolishness.
Ya know....
Considering that EVERY Ukranian-American disagrees with you vehemently(and many Russians)....maybe you should take that as a clue that you are mistaken and have been using incorrect sources for your information.
True believers in Christ should be girding their loins and strengthening themselves with spiritual weapons in our warfare against principalities and powers in the battle against satan.
Simply being a certain nationality doesn't make your foreign policy opinions any more or any less valid; you still gotta be persuasive. And as far as this thread is concerned, the only "source" they have offered is Timothy Snyder, and all that guy does is pretend to denounce authoritarianism while enabling the left-wing authoritarian system growing in the United States.
If what Snyder and his comrades have been saying about Trump/Russia was/is true; and the future of America really did depend on Ukraine and preventing a treasonous Trump from getting into office; then they should have offered us on the right something besides an extreme leftist domestic agenda.... but they've not done that, and will not do it; probably because they are lying.
This conflict has truly shown how incompetent the ukrainians / russians are. Horrible people when it comes to military, they don't know anything and can't execute anything. Its embarrasing to watch. Both are losing a lot of men, and will continue to do so, but its obvious Russia will get the territory they want, they have more men to spare and are determined to keep on grinding. Zelensky is already going back on his word about "never negotiating" and "restoring every house" and is willing to do a referendum on giving Russia some territory for a peace deal.
And this is exactly what should have happened right at the start. It was in 2022 (when incompetent Biden was president) that Russia annexed Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzhia.
Had the West, NATO and Ukraine demanded a proper referendum (under international supervision) in these areas to determine whether the people there wanted Russian government, there would have been no war. Had Putin seen some real seriousness on the part of West, he might have agreed to this. There was some talk about it, but nothing happened.
And once again, Ukraine must take responsibility for leaving the door wide open for Putin's aggression. He had already annexed Crimea in 2014, so why did they sit on their hands? That was almost ten years of doing nothing.
Judging by the ones who arrived to my country, they seem to be a lazy bunch, thats probably why they were sitting on their hands for a decade
EDIT: Thats actually not a fair assessment, because I realized that the men who left were the adominable cowards of that nation. The real men stayed and fought for their land. Nothing more disgusting than refugee men, I find it shocking. Back in the past they wouldn't even LET ablebodied men in as refugees. My apologies
Or perhaps the US and Russia could have both condemned the Maidan revolution right off the bat. Instead both tried to take advantage of the situation. (probably because they caused the situation to begin with.)
To be fair; Ukraine has been utter chaos. I wouldn't do anything for an army that just let revolutionaries overthrow the government. Who are the real cowards, I wonder? The people fleeing conscription... or the professional army that is making the common people fight the army's fight?
Russia and Ukraine both conscript its people....in the USA its called "the Draft" and they have used it as well.
Governments conscript its own people to fight wars they started. Fact of life whether you and I like it or not. The militaries prefer volunteers....but during wars that becomes more difficult to obtain.
What I find unbelievable is when Russians conscript people out of conquered areas. Mercenary groups will hire anyone from anywhere....ok....I get that. But Russians conscripting Georgians to Fight Ukraine?
Just odd to me.
Wagner Group mercenaries picked a Fight with US troops in Syria....Russia claimed it had no soldiers at all involved or even in the area....so US soldiers annihilated the entire company....not even germs survived the onslaught. Wagner lost all equipment and supplies as well as soldiers. Expensive lesson.
Some of this "incompetence" is from bad advice.
Ukraine, left to its own devices, will wage a highly effective guerilla warfare against Russia. And that's what you do in asymmetrical warfare. (Small force defending against larger invading force)
Somehow Ukraine believed US advisors telling them to go toe to toe with entrenched Russian forces because they had some training and equipment. Dumbest maneuver they did.
Otherwise Russia doesn't seem to care about its soldiers....using meat waves to expend opponents munitions. And currently Russia has issues with not having trained troops in the conflict and huge mistakes are regularly being made.
Ukraine has launched a huge counteroffensive inside of Russia. Gone around the front lines and taken huge amounts of territory and military bases/airports. Russia sent reinforcements but they got mowed down because they had no spacing between vehicles in the convoy. (Lack of experience)
Am I not mistaken that this sspacing between vehicles mistake was also done during the beginning of the 2022 invasion around Kyiv?
Russia honestly does not care for its troops one bit, that much is clear. Im from Finland and that is how we survived Russia during the famous Winter War, lots of guerilla warfare. Even today all of our men go to the military at 18.
There's this false notion that a nation wins in a war.
Nobody wins a war....one side just loses less...maybe.
War is extremely expensive. A tank $5 million is destroyed by shooting $100,000 rockets at it.
That's equivalent to a mansion in NY City being destroyed by throwing brand new Corvettes at it.
War is devastating to generations. The volume of people who die, become maimed, and psychologically damaged to the point of no longer productive is high and is more than just the soldiers who fight. Just today a shopping mall was destroyed in Ukraine. People were there simply getting bread and supplies just to be gone forever out of their families lives. The survivors seeing horrific sights of mangled bodies...including children. (Very much unlike what Palestinians show manufactured videos of)
War stops when it becomes too expensive to continue fighting....
And in this case....Ukraine can't afford to ever stop. Russia is the sole determining decider of when this war stops. When will Putin decide to stop?
If history is any clue....when the RF is complely bankrupt and is broken again. They will fight until they literally can't buy chewing gum.
With the sanctions in place...this is a likely scenario. Ukraine will have "won". But the farmlands will be full of landmines, toxic waste spills, and everything of any value (including bathroom fixtures) will be gone....the cities are rubble.
Is that winning?
It's going to be 30-40 years for the place to return to some sort of "normal"....if ever.
Once again you are in fantasyland? "The sanctions"? The sanctions have helped Russia, and have done nothing to stop it from waging war. Here is what the Council of Foreign Relations says:
Are they working?
Sanctions have inflicted some pain on Russia’s economy, with oil and gas revenue declining in the months after the price cap was implemented and Russian central bank assets at risk of confiscation. But those sanctions have not caused widespread economic collapse or halted Russia’s aggression against Ukraine. In fact, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) estimates that Russia’s gross domestic product (GDP) actually increased by 2.2 percent in 2023 thanks to massive war spending, a higher growth rate than the United States and many other Western economies....
Analysts say Russia is a particularly difficult target given its export of many crucial commodities, including oil and gas, fertilizers, wheat, and precious metals. At times, Russia has wielded its status as an energy exporter to retaliate against Europe. In August 2022, Moscow shut down the Nord Stream 1 pipeline, which supplied almost 60 percent of Germany’s natural gas. It has also effectively adapted to the new sanctions regimes. Russia soon found ways around the G7 price cap, including by enlisting a “shadow fleet” of oil tankers and shifting exports to China and India. Meanwhile, many European countries continue to import Russian gas, which is more expensive than crude oil.
https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/two-years-war-ukraine-are-sanctions-against-russia-making-difference
The sanctions supposedly show the moral superiority of the West against Russian warfare, but who has kept the war going other than the West? Who is pouring hundreds of billions of dollars into this war? America and the West. And who is doing the saber-rattling? NATO.
My prediction is that the Ukrainian troops in Kursk oblast will be annihilated / forced to retreat within next week.