Hyper grace - Mystic Christianity

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PeterJens

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My conclusion is that hyper-grace is in essence a mystic heresy within Christian thought.

1. At new birth you receive a new eternal heart from heaven that can never be lost

2. Walking in faith is just walking in this new heart, while the body leads to sin

3. Hyper-legalism means you can never be righteous or do good things

4. All future sin is forgiven so repentance, confession and getting right with God are
irrelevant

5. Fear is now sin, because everything is sorted so fear of God is unbelief

6. Traditional christians are the enemy legalists blocking faith and relying on self
righteousness.

7. The law and sermon on the mount are only to show failure and sin

8. God alone changes people, the believer has no responsibility for their walk

9. Anything you do is of self and therefore evil. The problem with this faith is there is
no way out.

Once you accept its premise, sin is not an issue even though you sin, you are by definition hard hearted, blind to right and wrong, and a victim of your own emotions.

Talking about love and righteousness is just the enemy, only power and mystical experiences matter.

The pay day is God gives you health and wealth, domination and success in this world, you just have to trust Him, He will make your dreams come true.

It is no longer Gods will, but you as children of God, exercising your rights as creative beings in this world with command authority. At various points preachers will say Gods authority no longer exists in the earth, you have rights over Him.

I would not call this christian, but mystic christian. It takes away the responsibility on the believer to follow Christ and obey His commandments, you obviously cannot, it is up to God to bring this about.

It takes the beauty of Christs love and says people are unredeemably lost, so you must rely on mystical influence to do Gods will.

I have tried to talk about love, morality, guilt, sin, getting right with God, knowing love overcoming sin, but nothing got through. The words, intention etc are just not there.

Most are jaded failed legalists who tried to follow God to the letter but missed love and freedom, so junked it all for this worldly compromise. And because they junked this legalist burden they found massive emotional release, while every day being condemned as sinning constantly ( which is mainly self invented sins ).

It is a prison of their own making because they cannot dis-believe in Christ, but want an end to this guilt torment. In reality if you make sin everything is a hyper-legalist guise, Jesus cannot have meant real victory over sin and walking in righteousness.

This contradicts Ezek 18:21-23 and Ezek 18:24.

Gods intention is we become like Him in our hearts, clean and pure, but this faith never tackles this dilemma because these believers still do not understanding saving love and freedom within.
 
The Gospel is filled with warnings about walking back into sinful living, and the possibility of falling away from Him. But when you bring these up to hyper grace people, they just repeat the same "you are saved by grace and not by works" and "whoever believes in Him shall not perish", as if these disqualify those warnings. They cant accept that both are true, yes you are saved by grace, and not by works, and grace comes through faith. And YES, you must give yourself to Him and obey His word, those who ignore His commandments will be denied by Him.

Its something that drives me crazy. Having to do what He says is not saving yourself by your works, it is obeying your God. If you do wrong, you must repent again and seek His help, and continue to try to do the right thing. He is a loving and merciful God, not a cool and chill God whos cool with it or whatever. We absolutely must follow His word : p
 
These "conclusions" are from your own construct in your mind. I have said it from the beginning I first met you on CC and others have told you the same things.

You take something someone says - you "construct" what you think they are saying and then make a whole new meaning out of it.

Then this thought seizes your mind until "it becomes real" to you in your own thinking. Then you proceed to "attack this self-perceived thought" as if it is real.


Some of us have told you the same thing over 50x times and yet you continue to say we are saying something else.

Some things you just can't understand like our sins are forgiven in Christ because of His blood but that's ok to agree to disagree too but you go and make it a completely different thing and accuse people that believe in forgiveness of sins as they want to sin all the time which is complete nonsense.

You have called believers in grace every name that is possible from being satanic, to liars, to lovers of sin, heretics, demonic...etc.

This is the reason some of us have to limit our interaction with you to as little as possible and unfortunately we need to implement Romans 16:17.

When we see repentance and your behavior changes than we can have civil discussions with you. Until then we wish you the best.

God loves you dearly and unconditionally and He has great plans for you and your family.