I would like some perspectives on Revelation.

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● Rev 14:6-7 . . And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having
the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to
every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, announcing with a loud
voice: Fear God, and give glory to Him; for the hour of His judgment is
come: and worship Him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the
fountains of waters.

The everlasting gospel is a bounce from the very first chapter of Genesis;
and reiterated at Ps 19:1-4 and Rom 1:19-20. It's very elementary; pretty
much all it says is:

1) There's a supreme being.

2) People should not take Him lightly.

3) He deserves to be greatly admired.

4) There's a reckoning looming on the horizon.

5) The cosmos-- all of its forms of life, matter, and energy --is the result of
intelligent design.
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● Rev 14:9-12 . . A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: If
anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the
forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which
has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath.

. . He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy
angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises forever and
ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his
image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name.

The holy city depicted at Rev 21:9-27 will never experience nightfall nor
darkness. On the basis of that, some have proposed that Rev 14:9-12 is
entirely symbolic because it says that the folks assigned to the burning
sulfur will be given no rest day or night in a place where supposedly there
will be no night.

However "in the presence of" doesn't necessarily mean the site of the
burning sulfur is located inside the city's walls, mostly because Rev 21:27
says: "Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is
shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's
book of life." And also Rev 22:14-15 which says: "Blessed are those who
wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go
through the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practice
magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone
who loves and practices falsehood."

Though there will be neither day nor night inside the city that doesn't
preclude the possibility that there will be day and night outside. At any rate;
I think we have to expect there will be no breaks in the torment but that it
will be perpetual 24/7/365 with neither intermission, nor interruption, nor
time off for good behavior. That will be an awful scene; quite possibly the
rather ghastly tourist attraction depicted by Isa 66:23-24.

● Rev 14:12 . .This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who
obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.

People will find themselves confronted with a sort of Catch 22, so to speak.
If they unify with the Beast, they'll be safe from execution and permitted the
advantages of commerce but in the end they'll be cooked in flaming sulfur. If
they unify with God and His son Jesus, they'll be safe from the sulfur but
they'll be prevented from shopping for even the barest of necessities and
eventually placed under arrest and sentenced to death.

● Rev 14:13 . . .Then I heard a voice from heaven say: "Write: Blessed are
the dead who die in the Lord from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, they will rest
from their labor, for their deeds will follow them."

One of the deeds sure to follow those folks is their decision to remain true to
God and His son Jesus in spite of the consequences for refusing to unify with
the Beast. (cf. Matt 10:22)
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● Rev 16:3 . .The second angel poured out his bowl on the sea, and it turned
into blood like that of a dead man, and every living thing in the sea died.

Fresh blood is tolerable as far as odor goes, whereas the blood of a dead
man is in a state of putrefaction; and then adding to that the carcasses and
the stench of dead fish, plus everything else, and we have the makings of
quite a chowder to behold.

The Mediterranean is notable in the Bible; but whether that's the sea spoken
of here is uncertain. However, in Gen 1:10 "sea" pertains to the entirety of
Earth's oceans.

● Rev 16:4 . .The third angel poured out his bowl on the rivers and springs
of water, and they became blood.

The two passages tell of water pollution on a scale quite a bit more severe
than that of the Exodus because this is global rather than limited to one
specific country. Even so; Egypt's was pretty bad because there was no
clean water anywhere for either cooking, drinking, laundry, hygiene, or
sanitation. (Ex 7:19-20)

NOTE: "springs of water" speaks of subterranean sources, which tells me
that digging for water will be futile because it'll all be bad. Whether this
particular calamity will effect packaged supplies remains to be seen, but for
sure, the value of bottled water will skyrocket when this event takes place.
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● Rev 16:3 . .The second angel poured out his bowl on the sea, and it turned
into blood like that of a dead man, and every living thing in the sea died.

Fresh blood is tolerable as far as odor goes, whereas the blood of a dead
man is in a state of putrefaction; and then adding to that the carcasses and
the stench of dead fish, plus everything else, and we have the makings of
quite a chowder to behold.

The Mediterranean is notable in the Bible; but whether that's the sea spoken
of here is uncertain. However, in Gen 1:10 "sea" pertains to the entirety of
Earth's oceans.

● Rev 16:4 . .The third angel poured out his bowl on the rivers and springs
of water, and they became blood.

The two passages tell of water pollution on a scale quite a bit more severe
than that of the Exodus because this is global rather than limited to one
specific country. Even so; Egypt's was pretty bad because there was no
clean water anywhere for either cooking, drinking, laundry, hygiene, or
sanitation. (Ex 7:19-20)

NOTE: "springs of water" speaks of subterranean sources, which tells me
that digging for water will be futile because it'll all be bad. Whether this
particular calamity will effect packaged supplies remains to be seen, but for
sure, the value of bottled water will skyrocket when this event takes place.
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I think people should invest in large capacity rain capturing containers and water purifiers - and then guard the purified water like it's gold!

I've been asking God about moving somewhere where I can have a little garden and some farm animals - a homestead, but God hasn't said anything about that yet or presented me with the opportunity to buy one. I hope He will soon....


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● Rev 16:8-9 . .Then the fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun,
causing it to scorch everyone with its fire. Everyone was burned by this blast
of heat, and they cursed the name of God, who sent all of these plagues.
They did not repent and give him glory.

That's a pretty good description of a really strong Carrington Event.

"give Him glory" could be something as simple as expressions of admiration
for God's amazing abilities; especially those described in Revelation.

NOTE: From the very beginning, people have wanted God to treat them as
equals. (Gen 3:22) I think it really chafes some folks when God throws His
weight around and insists they regard Him as their superior.

● Rev 16:10-11 . .Then the fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of
the beast, and his kingdom was plunged into darkness. And his subjects
ground their teeth in anguish, and they cursed the God of heaven for their
pains and sores. But they refused to repent of all their evil deeds.

Pharaoh stiffened his resolve during the miracles that tested his sovereignty
in the book of Exodus, but to my knowledge he never once cursed God. Well
these folks in Revelation show just how hostile and militant the human heart
can really be in its resistance to God's urging to get them to straighten up
and fly right.

Pretty amazing, but not all that surprising. Human nature is such that it
doesn't like to be coerced: it much prefers to comply peaceably and
voluntarily no matter who's in charge; either God or Man.
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● Rev 16:12 . . And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river
Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of
the east might be prepared.

That is curious because in modern warfare; rivers, and even oceans, present
no obstacle to military aircraft. But where are the airplanes in Revelation, and
where are all the mechanized conveyances? Well; I have yet to find any,
and in point of fact, war in Revelation is portrayed as fought on horseback,
and armies move on foot.

I have an uneasy feeling that the way of life with which us modern folks are
accustomed is coming to an end primarily because oil isn't a renewable
resource, and the Earth's supply is being used up at an alarming rate;
currently it's something like +/- 95 million barrels every twenty-four hours,
and the demand isn't static: it's increasing.

For example: global demand for oil in 1960 was 21.4 million barrels per day
while projections indicate global demand will be 107 million barrels by 2035,
which rounds out to +/- 4.49 billion gallons every twenty-four hours @ 42
US gallons per barrel.

NOTE: A colloquial Olympic swimming pool contains +/- 660,000 US gallons
of water. So then, 4.49 billion gallons of oil would fill 6,803 pools that
size.
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● Rev 16:13a . . Then I saw three evil spirits that looked like frogs;

Frogs are normally perceived as benign, although some species of toads are
rather loathsome creatures. I rather suspect that these frogs fall into the
loathsome-toad category because they are descriptive of a hard-core
wickedness.

● Rev 16:13b . . they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the
mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

In other words: these particular demons are very adept with sophistry,
defined by Webster's as subtly deceptive reasoning or argumentation. In this
case, we're looking at political discussions that will appear to be so
reasonable, so intelligent, and so practical that they'll be impossible to
refute; especially when they're backed up by an amazing demonstaration of
the best of dark arts.

● Rev 16:14 . . They are spirits of demons performing miraculous signs, and
they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on
the great day of God Almighty.

Now the purpose of this degree of sophistry is to persuade the world's super
powers to become allies in a sort of one-world alliance which is a move
towards a confrontation with God. They probably won't see it that way at
first but the by time they catch on, it will be too late. (cf. 2Thess 2:7-12)

● Rev 16:15 . . Behold, I come like a thief. Blessed is he who stays awake
and keeps his clothes with him, so that he may not go naked and be
shamefully exposed.

In other words: don't get caught with your pants down, so to speak. Folks
going thru the tribulation would do well to get ready for Christ's return when
that one-world alliance begins to form.

● Matt 24:27 . . For just as the lightning comes from the east, and flashes
even to the west, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be.

Lightening is typically sudden and unexpected. However, when there's a
thunderstorm in the area, people at least are prepared to be startled by the
flashes and the bangs. It'll likely be sort of like that with the coming of the
Son of Man.
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Rev 16:17-18 predicts a global earthquake so overwhelming on the Richter
scale that cities all over the world will collapse at once.

Something like 2,829 lost their lives when the World Trade Center was
demolished by a suicide attack in 2001. Well that was only a few acres of
New York City. Just imagine the body count when all of Manhattan comes
down at once. along with other major cities like Los Angeles, San Francisco,
Mexico City, Paris, Moscow, Beijing, Tokyo, et al.

The carnage will be beyond belief; and a great many of the dead will be
moms, infants, senior citizens, and underage children regardless of age,
race, sex, gender identity, and/or religious preference.
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● Rev 16:21 . . And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every
stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the
plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

* Talents were gross units of gold weighing from 75-100 pounds. That would
be a preposterous amount of gold to own in our day when it's current
market value is around $3,000 an ounce, but not so bad back when it was
strictly money instead of traded as a commodity. Gold coins were common
back then, but try to find one in somebody's pocket today.

Dropping lumps of ice that size from the sky all over the globe will be like a
deadly implosion smashing, bashing, and crushing most everything it
touches: homes, barns, super markets, strip malls, sports arenas, theaters,
forests, pastures, crops, vehicles, etc. Noah's rainfall was likely pretty
destructive too, but not like this. That was at least liquid; this will be solid.

The natural world will surely experience significant damage among the
critters who live above ground, e.g. hogs, deer, elk, ducks, geese, turkeys,
cows, mustangs, monkeys, gorillas, lions, tigers, hyenas, elephants, giraffes,
butterflies, moths, tortoises, etc.

Just imagine being caught out in the open when that hail starts. Finding
adequate shelter from such a bombardment of ice will be very difficult and
no doubt frightened people will be shrieking and screaming in mortal panic.

Curiously, numbers of people will know the hail is from God but it won't
persuade them to consider making peace with Him, instead; the hail will just
make 'em angry.
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● Rev 19:11-16 . . I saw heaven opened; and behold, a white horse, and He
who sat upon it is called Faithful and True; and in righteousness He judges
and wages war. And His eyes are a flame of fire, and upon His head are
many diadems; and He has a name written upon Him which no one knows
except Himself. And He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood; and His name
is called The Word of God.

. . And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and
clean, were following Him on white horses. And from His mouth comes a
sharp sword, so that with it He may smite the nations; and He will rule them
with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God,
the Almighty. And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, "King
of Kings, and Lord of Lords."

* The wine press appears in Isa 63:1-6 & Rev 14:19-20.

The fierce wrath of God is interesting. For example:

● Isa 13:9 . . Behold, the day of The Lord comes-- cruel; with both wrath
and fierce anger

The Hebrew word for "wrath" in that statement pertains to an outburst of
passion. In other words: the rider on the white horse won't be weeping big
wet crocodile tears while it's slamming the world with the events depicted in
Revelation; on the contrary, the damages will be administered with extreme
prejudice.

Webster's defines "fierce" as a behavior exhibited by humans and animals
that inspires terror because of the wild and menacing aspect of fury in
attack. Ferocity is an aspect commonly seen among carnivorous beasts
savagely ripping prey. There's neither sportsmanship nor sympathy in
ferocity; only sheer terror, brutality, and blood lust.

"cruel" is defined as: disposed to inflict pain or suffering; viz: devoid of
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● Rev 19:19-21 . .Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their
armies gathered together to make war against the rider on the horse and his
army. But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had
performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had
deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his
image.

. .The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.
The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of
the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

The potent weapon proceeding from that person's mouth is speech; which
causes me to wonder why more people weren't afraid of Jesus back in his
day because if by speech he could cure leprosy then by speech he could've
caused someone to come down with leprosy; and if by speech he could
strengthen a crippled man's legs, then by speech he could've put somebody
in a wheel chair; and if by speech he could restore someone's corpse to life,
then by speech he could've made people drop dead to the floor; and if by
speech he could cure blindness, then by speech he could've put people's
eyes out, and if by speech he could calm a storm, then by speech he
could've electrocuted his enemies with lightning bolts from the clouds.

David's combat with Goliath was an encounter that was possible for David to
win; but I see no chance of anybody's success in a fight with Christ when he
has at his disposal all the miraculous abilities of the supreme being who,
according to the book of Genesis, created a fully functioning cosmos-- all its
forms of life, matter, and energy --by nothing more than His voice.
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God's patience is long-suffering. However, He's wise enough to know when
to say when and to stop throwing good money after bad, so to speak. For
example:

● 2Thess 2:11-12 . . God will send them strong delusion, that they should
believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the
truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

In other words: there's coming a time when God's patience will reach its
reasonable limits, and He will purposely, willfully, and deliberately make sure
that a certain category of people during the Tribulation have no chance
whatsoever to be spared the wrath of God.

Back when Noah was preparing the ark, no doubt his neighbors all mocked
and poked fun at him as if he were a deranged soul going around with a
sandwich board that reads: Repent; The End Is Near! But when the rain
started, I bet those very same neighbors panicked and tried to get Noah to
open up and let them in. But even had Noah wanted to; he couldn't. The
hatch of the ark was sealed from the outside: and God was the only one on
earth who could open it-- He chose not to.

● Rev 1:18 . . I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive for
evermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.

● Rev 3:7 . .These are the words of him who is holy and true: who holds the
key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can
open.
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● Luke 21:25 . .There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth,
nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the
sea.

I'd imagine that folks infatuated with climate change would find the roaring
and tossing of the sea a useful political advantage. But of course down the
road when that actually takes place, climate change will likely lose much of
its allure as people will no doubt be far more interested in survival than
politics.

● Luke 21:25 . . Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming
on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken.

That will be a very dangerous time for elder citizens as anxiety attacks can
be fatal to folks in advanced age.
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● Rev 16:12 . . And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river
Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of
the east might be prepared.

That is curious because in modern warfare; rivers, and even oceans, present
no obstacle to military aircraft. But where are the airplanes in Revelation, and
where are all the mechanized conveyances? Well; I have yet to find any,
and in point of fact, war in Revelation is portrayed as fought on horseback,
and armies move on foot.

I think the reason why the 200,000,000 strong military force will travel by foot is because it would just be more economical. It's a waste of money and fuel to have that huge number all go by air.

Also notice when that military force crosses the dried-up Euphrates River that it seems that they are unopposed by the Muslims in Iraq and all the other Muslim nations they came across on their trek west.

Which makes me wonder what will happen to the Muslim nations before that the 200,000,000 strong military force could travel unopposed through their territories? Will something happen that will cause them to be rendered powerless? Is that why the third temple will be built where the Dome of the Rock currently is? I think the person who would want the third temple more than even the Jews is the antichrist. He might actually do something get rid of the Dome of the Rock to get the third temple built!


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● Rev 13:16-17 . . And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich
and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their
right hand, or on their forehead, and he provides that no one should be able
to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the
beast or the number of his name.

The world saw a sampling of the mark of the beast during the Covid 19
pandemic. In some areas folks risked the loss of their jobs, their careers,
and their licenses to practice for refusing to accept the experimental Covid
vacc, and in other places shoppers had to show proof of inoculation before
they could even enter a store to purchase basic necessities. So we can be
fairly certain the passage above is at the very least plausible.

NOTE: There are folks whose very lives depend upon prescription medications.
For example: I take a daily pill for under-active thyroid. Were I to refuse the
mark of the beast, no pharmacy on earth, not even in Mexico, would refill my
prescription.
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● Rev 12:1 . . A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman clothed with the
Sun, with the Moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.

That sign is sometimes interpreted to be Jesus' mom; and I guess that's
okay if the Bible reader happens to be Catholic. But it's also possible the sign
is a bounce from Joseph's dream (Gen 37:9) which Jacob interpreted as a
reference to his clan, a.k.a. the people of Israel.

"When he told it to his father and his brothers, his father reproved him and
asked: What is the meaning of this dream of yours? Can it be that I and
your mother and your brothers are to come and bow to the ground before
you?" (Gen 37:10)

As the family's prophet, Jacob's inspired intuition instantly caught the
dream's message; although it did make him a bit indignant. However, the
olde boy didn't brush the dream aside because his prophetic insight told him
there just might be something to it

The mother component of the family of Israel consists of a composite unity
of four biological moms-- Rachel, Leah, Bilhah and Zilpah. So the logical
conclusion is that the Moon's identity included all four rather than limited to
Joseph's mom alone who, at the time of his dream, was already deceased.

Anyway: I'm guessing that what we're told by the sign is that in spite of the
Dragon's best efforts, he has thus far failed to stop Christ from taking the
reins. In other words: Christ is still on track to return and no one can stop
him.

"She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with
an iron rod." (Rev 12:5a)

That would be a reference to the 2nd Psalm wherein Christ's opponents are
soundly mocked as air heads; so to speak.
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Down at the end of all with which we are familiar, the announcement below
will be made.

● Rev 22:11 . . Let the evildoer still do evil, and the filthy still be filthy, and
the righteous still do right, and the holy still be holy.

In other words: the people to whom those words pertain, will be stuck with
who and what they are with no chance of ever being any different. That's
good news for the righteous and/or holy, whereas really bad news for folks
who end up on the wrong side of things as they will be forever unfit for
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Down at the end of all with which we are familiar, the announcement below
will be made.

● Rev 22:11 . . Let the evildoer still do evil, and the filthy still be filthy, and
the righteous still do right, and the holy still be holy.

In other words: the people to whom those words pertain, will be stuck with
who and what they are with no chance of ever being any different. That's
good news for the righteous and/or holy, whereas really bad news for folks
who end up on the wrong side of things as they will be forever unfit for
anyplace else.
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I agree with this and already see it now. But I just want to add that it isn't because God made them that way when He created them. The Bible says that in the last days:

2 Thessalonianss 2:9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.


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I agree with this and already see it now. But I just want to add that it isn't because God made
them that way when He created them. The Bible says that in the last days: 2 Thessalonians 2:9

One evening at church-- when my youngest brother and I were in high
school --the minister asked everyone to stand and promise God they would
make an effort to live a pious life. My brother stood, but didn't promise.

Later at home I asked him why. He said there were some things he wanted
to do. In other words, my brother had decided to live life on his own terms
and not religion get in his way.

My brother and I had been BFF growing up as boys, but that all stopped.
From that point on, he became secular to the bone and a difficult person. I
seriously doubt my brother made it to safety when he passed away in 2015.
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Regarding Revelation 12 specifically...