If a christian commits suicide, would they go to hell?

[sparkman]

SAMPSON DID NOT COMMIT SUICIDE!!!!!!!! He was a prisoner about to be executed and he cried out to God for his strength back to take out some of God's enemies before he went. If you STILL want to construe that is suicide... God help you... because you have a terribly warped comprehension and it is probably affected most of your theology.

He took his own life. That's suicide. Where do you get the assertion that he was about to be executed? There's no evidence of that in the text.

 

[phil112]

He took his own life. That's suicide. Where do you get the assertion that he was about to be executed? There's no evidence of that in the text.

I can think of nothing that makes one look worse than to put their own ignorance on public display and try to pass it off as knowledge. This is exactly what has triggered my mindset of my last half dozen or so posts.

Judges 16:1,2 "Then went Samson to Gaza, and saw there an harlot, and went in unto her.And it was told the Gazites, saying, Samson is come hither. And they compassed him in, and laid wait for him all night in the gate of the city, and were quiet all the night, saying, In the morning, when it is day, we shall kill him."

There is an old saying that many would do to heed: "Better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt"

Not calling you a fool, but simply illustrating how weak you are in scripture. Study to show yourself approved unto God is something you need to start catching up on - yesterday.

 

[sparkman]

I can think of nothing that makes one look worse than to put their own ignorance on public display and try to pass it off as knowledge. This is exactly what has triggered my mindset of my last half dozen or so posts.


There is an old saying that many would do to heed: "Better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt"

Not calling you a fool, but simply illustrating how weak you are in scripture. Study to show yourself approved unto God is something you need to start catching up on - yesterday.

Apply that to yourself.

They continued to keep him around for their entertainment. That might have been their initial goal but some time lapsed between his capture and his suicide.

 

[sparkman]

I can think of nothing that makes one look worse than to put their own ignorance on public display and try to pass it off as knowledge. This is exactly what has triggered my mindset of my last half dozen or so posts.


There is an old saying that many would do to heed: "Better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt"

Not calling you a fool, but simply illustrating how weak you are in scripture. Study to show yourself approved unto God is something you need to start catching up on - yesterday.

By the way I have been a Christian for 30 years. I know enough about Scripture to place my faith in Jesus Christ for salvation, and a lot beyond that

Your profile says you are unsure. Your history shows you going around on various threads criticizing others' understanding of Scripture. On what basis do you do that, if you haven't even placed your faith in Jesus Christ for salvation?

 

[WoundedWarrior]

I can think of nothing that makes one look worse than to put their own ignorance on public display and try to pass it off as knowledge.

Why then, do you continue to do so?

Sincerely,
-WW

 

[Greggy]

No. No scripture for it.

 

[WoundedWarrior]

No. No scripture for it.

You must have missed the post where someone said: Thou shall not murder/kill -- and then stated that killing oneself is essentially the same as murdering oneself (suicide).

Another thought to consider: If the answer is 'No' -- then why bother with sending Jesus in the first place? Why all of the scripture which instructs us on how we are to live?

 

[Greggy]

You must have missed the post where someone said: Thou shall not murder/kill -- and then stated that killing oneself is essentially the same as murdering oneself (suicide).

Another thought to consider: If the answer is 'No' -- then why bother with sending Jesus in the first place? Why all of the scripture which instructs us on how we are to live?

No I never missed that and it was God not someone. But you must show me where it says you go to hell if you commit suicide.

 

[Magenta]

Another thought to consider: If the answer is 'No' -- then why bother with sending Jesus in the first place? Why all of the scripture which instructs us on how we are to live?

It just occurred to me that there really are not any instructions on how we are to die. I agree that suicide is wrong and obviously (usually) very selfish even if one is in all kinds of pain, it is all self driven and focused, certainly not enough thought/consideration given to others, especially perhaps to God. I would really hate to judge such people harshly, all the more so if they are lost. However, the movie The Sunset Limited actually addressed this question, for Tommy Lee Jones' character could find no meaning in life, and wanted to end it all in despair at the thought of so much suffering having no ultimate meaning, and yet he refused to surrender his will to belief in God even if that could save him... he would rather die than surrender his obstinate will. It also makes me think of how we are to die to self, and how difficult, really, that can be...

 

[WoundedWarrior]

No I never missed that and it was God not someone. But you must show me where it says you go to hell if you commit suicide.

Ok Greggy -- Let's try this again;

I said:

You must have missed the post where someone said: Thou shall not murder/kill -- and then stated that killing oneself is essentially the same as murdering oneself (suicide).

Here's what I was referring to:

Depends on their mental condition and other things. But seeking a permanent solution to temporary problem is at minimum a lack of faith and murder. You are not your own, you were bought with a price.

It is my great joy to inform this forum that I do not condemn anyone who commits suicide, for even murder is forgiveable. I know of people who have committed suicide, and I also know their hearts were absolutely broken. These people, whom I love dearly, were kind folks, and I believe, if anything, they were murdered by their surroundings, and by the actions of others. I cannot know this, but I do know I am free of judging others to condemnation.

Anyone here who condmens suicides in their hearts had better reconsider lest this "solution" seem the only way for them one day, and they will have condmened themselves. I am not prepared to do this. Please do not teach as though you know the judgment of God for these people. It is judging to damnation, and no one in or out of this forum has been handed over his crown and judgment yet.

The scriptures says that no murderer will enter the kingdom of God. That soul who committed suicide murdered himself. Whosoever he is would have died in his sins, because he did not confess and repent of his sin.I am judging the action not the person.

Suicide is murder therefore they will follow what the bible says about all the other people that have murdered. Do not worry there is not "hell" to go to as so many think there is BUT there is a lake of fire that will be used also for burning up the few who do not want to follow God.

Saving someone is not murder so do not worry about helping someone in say a house fire or car wreak...

Christians have a much better "chance" of not having problems then do the many that the Bible talks about so you can worry yourself into problems if not careful.

Mac.

Try to "judge" this:

a. Who in his right mind with faith in Jesus Christ would murder himself?
b. What happens if during the dying moments he called his Savior and confessed his sins?
c. Who will judge you after you judged the action of a sick person?

If a person has time to repent before they die, then they can be forgiven; But most times when a person commits self murder, they are committing a sin whereby they cannot repent of it (Whereby then they are not saved). They are committing one final act of sin or rebellion against God. For how can you be sorry or repent after you are dead? Don't you think unbelievers might be feeling sorry for rejecting Jesus when they died? Anyways, this topic has to do with Repentance versus OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved). Repentance is the Biblical model or plan of salvation of us getting our hearts right with God according to the Bible. OSAS is a doctrine of demons that basically teaches that you can live however you want and still be saved because all your future sin is paid for. Yet Jesus criticized and condemned the hypocritical type faith many times within the gospels with the Pharisees. Nothing has changed since His ministry that was preparing everyone for the New Testament when He died upon the cross. However, Repentance is not a new teaching, though. Repentance is is a key essential theme that has existed since the Old Testament.

YES only the Saint will enter the Government of and under God. All who commit murder for the most part will be given God's Truth and if they follow God they will become Saints and then enter God's Government. They are part of the second resurrection it is a 100 year time frame were the many learn about God.

Mac.

Here's your response:

No I never missed that and it was God not someone.

Hopefully this has helped clarify -- because I don't think you intend to argue that God said suicide and murder are the same.

Continuing....

But you must show me where it says you go to hell if you commit suicide.

If you first understand the above, then this question should become irrelevant -- however, if you require further clarification, just ask.

Now, did you consider my thoughts?

If the answer is 'No' -- then why bother with sending Jesus in the first place? Why all of the scripture which instructs us on how we are to live?

Also, we can consider: If God condones (or approves of) suicide -- why is this not written in the Scriptures?

Finally, if your argument is simply: "Someone who commits suicide will (definitely) not go to Hell." -- What, then, do you believe will happen to them?

 

[Dan58]

Thou shalt not murder (Exodus 20:13). The penalty for murder is death, so a suicidal person who murders himself commits the crime and receives the punishment all in one shot.

I doubt a suicidal person would go to hell if they were mentally sick, but only God can judge. jmo

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I realise that this is a really sensitive subject and I apologise if anyone finds this topic hard. I'm asking this question as I see this question pop up a lot.

I feel that this one takes the application of some simple logic. In Ephesians 1:13-14 Paul wrote that at the moment we first heard the gospel and believed it the Holy Spirit was sealed within us as a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance. In 2 Cor. 1:21-22 he added to this saying that God Himself has accepted responsibility for us and put His mark of ownership on us. In Colossians 2:13-14 he said that the Lord forgave us all our sins at the cross. That means our salvation was guaranteed before we had a chance to do anything, good or bad, after becoming saved.

Since God knows the end from the beginning, He knew every sin we would ever commit. The moment we accepted the Gospel and became born again all of them were forgiven, even the sin of taking our own life if it comes to that.

Yet some people believe that they would go to hell. Some will argue, but how can you repent of suicide? It is too late after you died. But I believe that this betrays an idea that each time you sin you temporarily lose your salvation before you go back to God and ask for his forgiveness.

So what are your views?

God bless!

(Also I'd like to point out that God would never want you to take your life as he values it more than anything in the world, so much that he gave his own son)

Hello Kreation
The bible says that those that have the hope of eternal life will seek to purify themselves.
And they that Don't have this hope in them will leave showing that they were never really of us.

What I'm saying is they were never saved.

 

[WoundedWarrior]

It just occurred to me that there really are not any instructions on how we are to die. I agree that suicide is wrong and obviously (usually) very selfish even if one is in all kinds of pain, it is all self driven and focused, certainly not enough thought/consideration given to others, especially perhaps to God. I would really hate to judge such people harshly, all the more so if they are lost. However, the movie The Sunset Limited actually addressed this question, for Tommy Lee Jones' character could find no meaning in life, and wanted to end it all in despair at the thought of so much suffering having no ultimate meaning, and yet he refused to surrender his will to belief in God even if that could save him... he would rather die than surrender his obstinate will. It also makes me think of how we are to die to self, and how difficult, really, that can be...

As one who has struggled (still does) with suicide -- I absolutely cringe when I hear people say that it is selfish.

Here's why:

I feel I am helping others, if I end my life:
- I will no longer consume (and waste, as so many of us do -- without even realizing the extent to which we waste), which means there will be more [resources] for others.
- People I continue to 'wrong' will no longer be 'wronged' by me.

Honestly, my hope in God is the only idea that has kept me this long. I fear that which is unknown -- and I truly do not know what would happen to what I call 'myself' if I committed suicide. I fear that it might lead to Hell, but what concerns me more -- is not participating in God's Kingdom.

Note: Did not intend for this to be offensive or an attack -- simply speaking what was on my heart after seeing your post. I do appreciate your post, especially this thought:

It also makes me think of how we are to die to self, and how difficult, really, that can be...

 

[Greggy]

Ok Greggy -- Let's try this again;

I said:

Here's what I was referring to:

Here's your response:

Hopefully this has helped clarify -- because I don't think you intend to argue that God said suicide and murder are the same.

Continuing....


If you first understand the above, then this question should become irrelevant -- however, if you require further clarification, just ask.

Now, did you consider my thoughts?


Also, we can consider: If God condones (or approves of) suicide -- why is this not written in the Scriptures?

Finally, if your argument is simply: "Someone who commits suicide will (definitely) not go to Hell." -- What, then, do you believe will happen to them?

I answerd what you said never mind anyone elses post.

OP said

If a christian commits suicide, would they go to hell?

I said

I said No, no scripture for it.

You said

You must have missed the post where someone said: Thou shall not murder/kill -- and then stated that killing oneself is essentially the same as murdering oneself (suicide).

Another thought to consider: If the answer is 'No' -- then why bother with sending Jesus in the first place? Why all of the scripture which instructs us on how we are to live?

Second part of your post has nothing to do with the op question. And makes no sense.

Murder and suicide are completly different, agreed.

There is no scripture saying you go to hell. So any thing else is adding to scripture.

There nothing you can clear up here for me.

 

[Magenta]

Murder and suicide are completely different, agreed.

Murder is illegal killing. It is illegal to kill yourself.

 

[jsr1221]

Murder is illegal killing. It is illegal to kill yourself.

People don't go to prison for attempted suicide, though.

 

[Magenta]

People don't go to prison for attempted suicide, though.

They go to the psychiatric ward.

 

[keepitsimple]

Nobody knows the answer to this question. Neither do they know such an individuals obviously excruciating distress (their personal suffering) that would bring them to that place where they would even contemplate such a thing. I do know of a parent or two that have suffered the loss of a child and have never recovered from it, emotionally. Life to them "doesn't really matter anymore" ... whether they remain living or die, that is. Is adultery committed in one's heart any less a sin than one who no longer finds in their heart a healthy desire to carry on anymore ? Are we not told that one who hates a brother or a sister commits murder (in their own heart) ? Jesus said they do. Matters of this depth and degree are rightly judged only by God. All too often we judge illness in the context of our physical being. A severely broken heart and distraught mind are no less an infirmity. And is certainly not ours to judge. My two cents worth.

 

[jsr1221]

People don't go to prison for attempted suicide, though.

And they get help for it.

 

[Magenta]

And they get help for it.

Maybe. Maybe not.