IMMORTALITY IN THE WILDERNESS. THE AIM FOR JESUS TEMPTATION

[BeyondET]

Yea I know what you meant, just pointing out for the sake of the discussion I think Matthew and Luke are the only ones that contain both the baptism and temptation episodes. Good looks on the Mark mention also, I did not notice that before. To which I would quite agree it appears as if the temptation came after the baptism.

Also I think Gospel of John contains the baptism narrative, but in a shorter form in the first chapter.

As for the OP I find no fault, I think it is an interesting topic.

Don't be concern with that, some are walking ticking time bombs...

 

[Naboth]

I covered it

you twisted it

enough

Not trying to twist nothing. Just trying to clarify what I am saying for you.

 

[LaurenTM]

what do you people actually believe?

it certainly is not the Bible

I don't actually expect an answer

 

[Naboth]

Don't be concern with that, some are walking ticking time bombs...

Not sure what you mean. I think the baptism is a decent point in regards to the immortality to Jesus.

 

[Willie-T]

Edited the prior post to contain the Mark reference, sorry.

Also here you go for the Gospel of John containing the baptism narrative.

John 1:29-36

[SUP]29 [/SUP]The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples;
[SUP]36 [/SUP]And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!

Uh......... Where?

 

[Naboth]

what do you people actually believe?

it certainly is not the Bible

I don't actually expect an answer

I believe Jesus is Lord as says the Bible.

Ask and ye shall receive

 

[Naboth]

Uh......... Where?

I suppose verse 32. Very brief, but it would seem John Baptist bore record saying "I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him".

This fits quite well with the other baptism narratives in the other Gospels I think.

 

[LaurenTM]

Not trying to twist nothing. Just trying to clarify what I am saying for you.

you only succeed in demonstrating you do not know what you actually believe

a point, I keep making regarding the creator of the op, beyond and yourself

all roads do not lead to heaven and the white rose does not understand anything as it is a flower, nor does it shout anything either

what do you 3 people actually believe?

rhetorical question which will not be answered directly but has been answered from post 1 on

 

[Naboth]

you only succeed in demonstrating you do not know what you actually believe

a point, I keep making regarding the creator of the op, beyond and yourself

all roads do not lead to heaven and the white rose does not understand anything as it is a flower, nor does it shout anything either

what do you 3 people actually believe?

rhetorical question which will not be answered directly but has been answered from post 1 on

I know what I believe, it is as I have told you.

I have not said all roads lead to heaven. I believe it is written Jesus is the only way, the truth and the light.

Perhaps you are conflating me with someone else?

 

[LaurenTM]

I believe Jesus is Lord as says the Bible.

Ask and ye shall receive

well, the Bible says even the demons believe and tremble

many people want to think they are a Christian, yet cannot get a true word out

Christians do not try to prove the Bible is wrong and they do not believe Jesus was born with a sinful nature

they also do not mock scripture as beyond is doing nor do they misrepresent themselves in an effort to be something they are not

ask and you shall receive is not about salvation...why would you confuse that? again, I don't expect a truthful answer

 

[LaurenTM]

Naboth...you would do me a favor to not like my posts since you do not believe as I do

I would prefer truth and you liking what I state, is not true since you consistently disagree

 

[Naboth]

well, the Bible says even the demons believe and tremble

many people want to think they are a Christian, yet cannot get a true word out

Christians do not try to prove the Bible is wrong and they do not believe Jesus was born with a sinful nature

they also do not mock scripture as beyond is dong nor do they misrepresent themselves in an effort to be something they are not

ask and you shall receive is not about salvation...why would you confuse that? again, I don't expect a truthful answer

I believe the Bible says this:

1 Corinthians 12:3

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

I am not trying to prove the Bible wrong at all. Not sure why you think that. Perhaps you are conflating me with someone else?

 

[LaurenTM]

I know what I believe, it is as I have told you.

I have not said all roads lead to heaven. I believe it is written Jesus is the only way, the truth and the light.

Perhaps you are conflating me with someone else?

no

stop playing games

this thread is making me want to find soap and go have a good scrub

think I'll leave

yuck

 

[Naboth]

Naboth...you would do me a favor to not like my posts since you do not believe as I do

I would prefer truth and you liking what I state, is not true since you consistently disagree

What do you believe? I have so far agreed with your premise that the baptism came before the temptation in the wilderness. Nor have I really disagreed with you excepting with your accusations that I do not believe the Bible.

 

[BeyondET]

Edited the prior post to contain the Mark reference, sorry.

Also here you go for the Gospel of John containing the baptism narrative.

John 1:29-36

[SUP]29 [/SUP]The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples;
[SUP]36 [/SUP]And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!

Yea line this up Marble maid,,, with verse 34 from above..

Matt 11
2Meanwhile, John heard in prison about the works of Christ, and he sent two of his disciples 3to ask Him, “Are You the One who was to come, or should we look for someone else?”
4Jesus replied, “Go back and report to John what you hear and see: 5The blind receive sight, the lame walk, the lepersa are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and good news is preached to the poor. 6Blessed is the one who does not fall away on account of Me.”

Let me guess you have a logical explanation as to why John would wonder after he had baptized Jesus and for that matter his whole life was basically to prepare the way,, yet all of a sudden his having doubts or a Brain freeze...

It's the word prison, in Greek and Hebrew has multible meanings depending on the context, and clearly someone miss that connection...

 

[Sac49]

There is one word being used that i do not think is correct for Jesus. That word is "immortal". Yes it means "not subject to death" but it also implies a begining. The word we should be using is "eternal" which means "without a begining or end".

 

[Naboth]

Yea line this up Marble maid,,, with verse 34 from above..

Matt 11
2Meanwhile, John heard in prison about the works of Christ, and he sent two of his disciples 3to ask Him, “Are You the One who was to come, or should we look for someone else?”
4Jesus replied, “Go back and report to John what you hear and see: 5The blind receive sight, the lame walk, the lepersa are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and good news is preached to the poor. 6Blessed is the one who does not fall away on account of Me.”

Let me guess you have a logical explanation as to why John would wonder after he had baptized Jesus and for that matter his whole life was basically to prepare the way,, yet all of a sudden his having doubts or a Brain freeze...

It's the word prison, in Greek and Hebrew has multible meanings depending on the context, and clearly someone miss that connection...

Lol idk what a marble maid is.

I figure John was pretty human, it is human to have doubts. I would think also especially when placed in such circumstances as being put in prison. I find Jesus response to be sent to comfort John Baptist. The truth will set you free after all.

 

[Naboth]

There is one word being used that i do not think is correct for Jesus. That word is "immortal". Yes it means "not subject to death" but it also implies a begining. The word we should be using is "eternal" which means "without a begining or end".

This is an interesting point! However couldn't it then still be said Jesus was immortal if death could not contain him and therefore he was master over death? If then Jesus be master over death, how can he be subject to it?

Which makes me think his real immaculate immortality be in his resurrected form, but I could be wrong I suppose.

1 Corinthians 15:54-57

[SUP]54 [/SUP]So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
[SUP]55 [/SUP]O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
[SUP]56 [/SUP]The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
[SUP]57 [/SUP]But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[LaurenTM]

What do you believe? I have so far agreed with your premise that the baptism came before the temptation in the wilderness. Nor have I really disagreed with you excepting with your accusations that I do not believe the Bible.

you do not agree with the following according to your own posts and neither does the op nor beyond, yet you agree together, which indicates a common ground ... pay special attention to number 1...that seems to indicate a peculiar lack of faith with you 3

1. Christ was the “seed of the Woman” not the man. Gen. 3:15 means he would not be born of theegg of the woman but by a seed that God would provide the women “her seed..” not egg “shallbruise thy head”. This meant Mary’s womb would only provide the Lord an incubator during thegestation period until His birth.

2. His conception was supernatural, not in the natural order, which means His birth would be amiracle Isa. 7:14 and Matt. 1: 21-23.

3. Jesus was not born under a broken law as all other men born of women (Ps. 51:5), He is separatedfrom sinners Gal. 4:4-5, Heb. 7:26. If Jesus was born under the broken law as all other men are,then he was disqualified of being the Savior of the world and would stand in need of someone toredeem Him.

4. Jesus was God. God, who is spirit took on human nature that was perfect and sinless for theexpressed purpose of condemning sin in the flesh Jn. 1:1, 14; 4:24; Rom. 8:3; Heb. 2:14; Phil 2:7.

5. Jesus was the fulfillment of the Pascal offering which had to be holy and without blame Ex. 12:3;Lev. 4:23; 1Pet. 1:18-21; Heb.4:15, which means He was set apart and without a sinful nature.This means throughout the redemption process from the incarnation to the Resurrection there wasno point in time that Jesus was ever sinful.

 

[Sac49]

This is an interesting point! However couldn't it then still be said Jesus was immortal if death could not contain him and therefore he was master over death? If then Jesus be master over death, how can he be subject to it?

Which makes me think his real immaculate immortality be in his resurrected form, but I could be wrong I suppose.

1 Corinthians 15:54-57

[SUP]54 [/SUP]So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
[SUP]55 [/SUP]O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
[SUP]56 [/SUP]The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
[SUP]57 [/SUP]But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Yeah possibly but then you still have an underlying tone of "had a begining". In being eternal, immortality is also implied but you are adding the "no begining" also. For example the works of Bach may be immortal but they had a begining. If we say "Jesus became immortal" that means he had a begining.