In the days of the 10 Kings God shall assembly his Kingdom

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Cameron143

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You asked me whose kingdom the garden was in before the fall, and whose kingdom Adam and Eve were in before the fall? What is your answer to your own questions? The kingdom of God? If so, then the kingdoms of this world were once the kingdom of God before the fall.
When it comes to this earth, which is what we have been discussing, then geography will be in play, and so will a particular people group when it is fully established.
So, are you saying that his temptation was not really a temptation?
Actually, he will not. Jesus' kingdom rule will only last 1000 years upon this earth. At the end of the 1000 years, the angels will gather the wicked out of his kingdom, and they will be thrown into the lake of fire. After this, Jesus will deliver the kingdom up to his Father.
Jesus was tempted, but the Father had already given Him a better promise.

As far as eschatology goes, we see things very differently.
 
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As far as eschatology goes, we see things very differently.
We most certainly do. To back my own assertions, I will begin with Jesus' parable of the wheat and tares.

Mat 13:24
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
Mat 13:25
But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
Mat 13:26
But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
Mat 13:27
So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
Mat 13:28
He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
Mat 13:29
But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
Mat 13:30
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Here is Jesus' interpretation of this parable:

Mat 13:36
Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
Mat 13:37
He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Mat 13:38
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Mat 13:39
The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
Mat 13:40
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
Mat 13:41
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 13:43
Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

For starters, the harvest is the end of the world (vs. 39), and, in context, this does not take place immediately after Christ returns. Instead, at his second coming, Christ will usher in his Millennial or 1000-year Reign during which both he and the resurrected saints will judge amongst the nations which will still be here during that timeframe (Dan. 7:12).

Rev 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Also, notice the very important distinction that Christ made in Matt. 13:41 and Matt. 13:43 between his (Christ's) kingdom and the kingdom of their Father. Christ's kingdom reign will last 1000 years, and then he will deliver the kingdom up to his Father, and that is the timeframe that Jesus was speaking of in his parable of the wheat and the tares. The Apostle Paul put it this way:

1Co 15:20
But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
1Co 15:21
For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
1Co 15:22
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25
For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
1Co 15:27
For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Christ is the firstfruits of them that slept (vs. 20) or the firstfruits (vs. 23), and Paul referred to him this way because Jesus was the first person to be raised from the dead unto eternal life, and his resurrection occurred on the Jewish Feast of Firstfruits. Afterwards, the saints will be resurrected at his coming (vs. 23) or at his second coming.

1Co 15:24
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.,

Again, notice the distinction between his (Christ's) kingdom (Matt.13:41) and the kingdom of their Father (Matt. 13:43), or notice how Christ shall have delivered the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power."

As I have already correctly stated, at his second coming, Jesus will usher in his Millennial Reign, and at the end of his Millennial Reign, he will deliver up the kingdom to God, even the Father (1 Cor. 15:24). This is the proper end-times chronology or timeline, and Paul continued on to further explain it when he said the last enemy that shall be destroyed is death (1 Cor. 15:26). Death is the last enemy (1 Cor. 15:26) of the all enemies (1 Cor. 15:25) that Jesus needs to put under his feet (1 Cor. 15:26) before delivering the kingdom up to his Father.

I have to continue in my next post because I ran out of allotted space.
 
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When is death destroyed?

Rev 20:7
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 20:11
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

At the end of Christ's Millennial Reign, Satan will be loosed in order to cause one final rebellion against God and his people. When that rebellion has been quenched, Satan will be cast into the lake of fire, and the great white throne judgment of Christ will come. It is at the time of the great white throne judgment that death and hell were thrown into the lake of fire (Rev. 20:14), and this is when the last enemy of death will be destroyed (1 Cor. 15:26).

This is the timeline that Jesus was talking about in the parable of the wheat and tares. At the end of his Millennial Reign, and not at the time of his second coming, the angels will gather out of his (Christ's) kingdom (Matt. 13:41) the tares to be burned as the wicked are thrown into the lake of fire, and then shall the righteous shine forth in the kingdom of their Father (Matt. 13:43) as Christ delivers up the kingdom to God at that point in time.
 

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When is death destroyed?

Rev 20:7
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 20:11
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

At the end of Christ's Millennial Reign, Satan will be loosed in order to cause one final rebellion against God and his people. When that rebellion has been quenched, Satan will be cast into the lake of fire, and the great white throne judgment of Christ will come. It is at the time of the great white throne judgment that death and hell were thrown into the lake of fire (Rev. 20:14), and this is when the last enemy of death will be destroyed (1 Cor. 15:26).

This is the timeline that Jesus was talking about in the parable of the wheat and tares. At the end of his Millennial Reign, and not at the time of his second coming, the angels will gather out of his (Christ's) kingdom (Matt. 13:41) the tares to be burned as the wicked are thrown into the lake of fire, and then shall the righteous shine forth in the kingdom of their Father (Matt. 13:43) as Christ delivers up the kingdom to God at that point in time.
I understand your position fine. I've heard it many times.
 

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Keeping things real said:

This is the timeline that Jesus was talking about in the parable of the wheat and tares. At the end of his Millennial Reign, and not at the time of his second coming, the angels will gather out of his (Christ's) kingdom (Matt. 13:41) the tares to be burned as the wicked are thrown into the lake of fire, and then shall the righteous shine forth in the kingdom of their Father (Matt. 13:43) as Christ delivers up the kingdom to God at that point in time.

The parable of the wheat and tares is for the age we are in now, not the millennial age. The sower Jesus went away as in our time but in the Millennial age He reigns on earth.
 
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The parable of the wheat and tares is for the age we are in now, not the millennial age.
I already provided Jesus interpretation of the parable which perfectly coincides with what Paul said in 1 Corinthians chapter 15, and with what John said in Revelation chapter 20, and they all pertain to the timeframe of Christ's Millennial Reign.
 

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IMO I think you are confused. I just stated my opinion that the Wheat and Tare parable s for this age, not the millennial
 
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IMO I think you are confused. I just stated my opinion that the Wheat and Tare parable s for this age, not the millennial
I am not the least bit confused. If you think that you can accurately refute what I stated from scripture, then go for it.