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How in the world do we baptize them into his name?
God is the only one who can do the spiritual baptism you speak of.
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God is the only one who can do the spiritual baptism you speak of.
Ah, "how much do you understand about the Levitical Priesthood?" because that is where you find the answer. In the OT, salvation from G-d was reserved for the Jews. The entire nation was baptized when they passed through the Red Sea; the NT has a wonderful explanation of this phenomenon,1 Corinthians 10:2. All other men and women/nations that wanted salvation had to become subject to the nation of Israel and worship their G-d. Baptism was performed by the priests as individuals and by the High Priest; details intentionally omitted for this response.
I remain open for dialogue should you choose to do so.
Sure the Israelites were again never touched by water just as Noah and the other seven were never dunked in the water
And water Babtism was for the high Priest before entering the Holy of Holies carrying their sins and the peoples as well
And so when Christ not of the Levitical Priesthood nope came fromthe tribe of Judah had to by Law be Babtized inorder to fill all Law and Prophets as in matt 5:17 and he also said to John that he had to do all that is right.
Now this is why John said that he must (John) water Babtism must decrease and Christ's Holy Ghost Babtism must increase. John's purpose was then done after he announced Christ has arrived the Jews Messiah, And when Christ died on the cross the curtain was ripped open sabctifying this new way under a new Covenant Hebrews 9:15-17
[h=3]Hebrews 9:15-17[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
[h=3]The Mediator’s Death Necessary[/h][SUP]16 [/SUP]For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives
Christ when leaving after he had risen told the disciples to wait for the Holy Ghost to come upon them to tell others through them about the Christ, the same is for today for us the believers, without the Holy Ghost doing the leading we arew to be pitied of all people. As the Holy Ghost explains with out the resurrection
[h=3]1 Corinthians 15:12-20[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[h=3]The Risen Christ, Our Hope[/h][SUP]12 [/SUP]Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? [SUP]13 [/SUP]But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up—if in fact the dead do not rise. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! [SUP]18 [/SUP]Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. [SUP]19 [/SUP]If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.
[h=3]The Last Enemy Destroyed[/h][SUP]20 [/SUP]But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
okay.
thanks for a straight-forward answer:
"no, Jesus did not command baptism in water"
i see you absorbing the things others have learned and incorporating it as-you-go claiming great super-spiritual insight.
anyone who listens to you is on their own at this point.
just trying to see if it says water.
actual literal water that they BOTH went down into.
and one baptized the other.
and the Spirit of The Lord was involved.
and if the eunuch went off rejoicing...
because i didn't see the EVANGELIST philip instruct the eunuch to scoff at the
water
a-a-a-a-anyways
Hebrews 6
1So let us stop going over the basic teachings about Christ again and again. Let us go on instead and become mature in our understanding. Surely we don’t need to start again with the fundamental importance of repenting from evil deedsa and placing our faith in God. 2You don’t need further instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3And so, God willing, we will move forward to further understanding.
Which is exactly waht I ahve been saying Sister all along here and start this scripture at Hebrewws 5:11 -6:6
And as it states if God willing we will move onto perfection, maturtity whichever way one wants to see the woirds used
[h=3]Hebrews 5:11-6:6[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]of whom we have much to say, and hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing.
[h=3]Spiritual Immaturity[/h][SUP]12 [/SUP]For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. [SUP]13 [/SUP]For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. [SUP]14 [/SUP]But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
[h=3]The Peril of Not Progressing[/h]6 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, [SUP]2 [/SUP]of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And this we will do if God permits.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, [SUP]5 [/SUP]and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, [SUP]6 [/SUP]if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
why are you moving beyond the elementary teachings when you haven't even obeyed the simple command to be baptized?
Did I read this right? Really?
Matthew 28:16-20 [SUP]16 [/SUP]Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. [SUP]18 [/SUP]And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: [SUP]20 [/SUP]Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
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Well sure it and it also talks about the Holy Ghost Babtism as well and we are to learn and divide the word correctly which I posted the scriptures toyou and all and asked why Did John say his Babtism of water was to decrease after he babrized Christ?
Why does acts 1:5 say
[h=3]Acts 1:5[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”
And why does John say that he only babtised with water and that he is not worthy, well here it is scripture
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Luke 3:16John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
John 1:27He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose
Acts 13:25And as John fulfilled his course, he said, Whom think ye that I am? I am not he. But, behold, there cometh one after me, whose shoes of his feet I am not worthy to loose.
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jinx
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baptized INTO The Name of means in the Name of that Authority, that OWNER.
whatever.
Acts 4
5On the next day their rulers and elders and scribes gathered together in Jerusalem, 6with Annas the high priest and Caiaphas and John and Alexander, and all who were of the high-priestly family. 7And when they had set them in the midst, they inquired, “By what power or by what name did you do this?” 8Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders, 9if we are being examined today concerning a good deed done to a crippled man, by what means this man has been healed, 10let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead—by him this man is standing before you well. 11This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone.b 12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
onoma: a name, authority, cause
Original Word: ὄνομα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: onoma
Phonetic Spelling: (on'-om-ah)
Short Definition: name, character, reputation
Definition: name, character, fame, reputation.
3686 ónoma – name; (figuratively) the manifestation or revelation of someone's character, i.e. as distinguishing them from all others. Thus "praying in the name of Christ" means to pray as directed (authorized) by Him, bringing revelation that flows out of being in His presence. "Praying in Jesus' name" therefore is not a "religious formula" just to end prayers (or get what we want)!
["According to Hebrew notions, a name is inseparable from the person to whom it belongs, i.e. it is something of his essence. Therefore, in the case of the God, it is specially sacred" (Souter).]
whatever.
Acts 4
5On the next day their rulers and elders and scribes gathered together in Jerusalem, 6with Annas the high priest and Caiaphas and John and Alexander, and all who were of the high-priestly family. 7And when they had set them in the midst, they inquired, “By what power or by what name did you do this?” 8Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders, 9if we are being examined today concerning a good deed done to a crippled man, by what means this man has been healed, 10let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead—by him this man is standing before you well. 11This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone.b 12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
onoma: a name, authority, cause
Original Word: ὄνομα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: onoma
Phonetic Spelling: (on'-om-ah)
Short Definition: name, character, reputation
Definition: name, character, fame, reputation.
3686 ónoma – name; (figuratively) the manifestation or revelation of someone's character, i.e. as distinguishing them from all others. Thus "praying in the name of Christ" means to pray as directed (authorized) by Him, bringing revelation that flows out of being in His presence. "Praying in Jesus' name" therefore is not a "religious formula" just to end prayers (or get what we want)!
["According to Hebrew notions, a name is inseparable from the person to whom it belongs, i.e. it is something of his essence. Therefore, in the case of the God, it is specially sacred" (Souter).]
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Yep and as Midrach, Shadrach and Abindigo did not either it was their Faith, Hmm!!!!!!!!! or was watere babtism included here too!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think not, even though again it is a good conscious towards God between God and you. Salvation is prooven by the resurrection of Christ at the cross all being fulfilled done for us by God our amazing Merciful God that does juist love each and everyone of us. Amazing, thanks Tinten
unfortunately you are not seeing the differance of water Babtism and Holy Ghost Babtism supplied to us by the resurrected Christ. Tell me which side of the cross are you on?
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1still_waters
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This smooth talk could be used on so many things.
We're told to crucify our flesh.
But if we inserted that command into the-smooth-talk-o-matic magic over spiritualized blender, where all things in the bible magically change into something else...Crucify the flesh could be transformed into..
"Well see, Jesus's flesh was crucified. And see we're the body of Christ. So we really don't need to crucify our flesh, because Jesus's flesh has replaced ours and it's already been crucified. And after all, we are saved by grace right?"
Seriously, that's what all the leaps in reasoning and distortion are doing to scripture at this point.
We're told to crucify our flesh.
But if we inserted that command into the-smooth-talk-o-matic magic over spiritualized blender, where all things in the bible magically change into something else...Crucify the flesh could be transformed into..
"Well see, Jesus's flesh was crucified. And see we're the body of Christ. So we really don't need to crucify our flesh, because Jesus's flesh has replaced ours and it's already been crucified. And after all, we are saved by grace right?"
Seriously, that's what all the leaps in reasoning and distortion are doing to scripture at this point.
No one can use the thief on the cross as an example to begin with to dismiss baptism. NO ONE knows for sure if he was or was not,it is not recorded one way or another. To take a paragraph about the man and make a doctrine out of something we just do NOT KNOW for sure is a bad way to go. For all we know he very well could have been,but then again he may not have been. We just don't know.
The spirit on God's word is God working to do that.
John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
Absolutely no mystery except to those who do not understand.
John 7:38 "He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water."
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