As I recall, my point was that i was pointing out the flaw with another posters line of reasoning.
Is cessation an observation or theology?
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So if somoene exists after 90-96 AD, and has a copy of the scriptures, would you say that his speech, knowledge, and understanding are so much more advanced than Paul's in 55 AD that Paul would be a child in comparison to him... and that such an individual would therefore have nothing to learn from the kindergarten-level scriptures of Paul and not need to read them?
How do you deal with Paul's argument in I Corinthians 13?
A side note, the first missionary journey churches were in the borders of Galatia at that time. I believe Galatians was a very early epistle written before the council at Jerusalem, and Paul is not describing some conflict or rejecting the decision of himself and the other apostles (thinking of a liberal German theory from the 1800s, before archeological evidence was rediscovered that the borders of Galatia extended to the southern coast. )
Yes.....
That was how it was to be while those gifts were yet functioning within the churches.
Note:
1 Corinthians was one of the first pages to be written for the Bible.
Much more was to come before the NT was complete.
The perfect (completed) NT had not yet arrived...
Paul expressed that reality when he wrote Titus 2:11-12.
For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people.
It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to
live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age.
I love how my pastor always taught us from the original languages of Scripture.
When it came to Titus 2:12, he took time to show us that the word translated "teaches,"
means as seen in...
"It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions."
"Teaches" is not what we would assume it to mean when reading from an English translation.
It did not mean to teach, as a teacher in a classroom setting would teach, in regard to what we should refuse and deny.
It is actually a word about tough love.
For the word translated 'teaches"'means to teach someone a lesson by having him to get hurt by what he does.
In doing so… Learning to not do it anymore.
Having learned to say "No" if it should come our way again!
Tough love, over time, is there to make living become easier for us.
Grace and peace .............
Why such drama?
John simply was given by God, and taught such truths that Paul and the church were yet to know about.
The parable of the prodigal son is a good enough lesson, imo, considering Jesus taught it. That was tough a tough father, imo.
Revela
Revelation spoke of the two witnesses prophesying in the future. So how can you say prophesying has ceased?
Revelation spoke of the two witnesses prophesying in the future. So how can you say prophesying has ceased?
I just think you're being a smart alec. Neither that or you have a very bizarre imagination.
If you don't have anything of substance to say you could just not post or admit it but you don't have to make ad hominem attacks.
The gift of prophesy for the Church age has ceased.
But... Not prophesy itself.
The two witnesses in Revelation are a different dispensation
And I suggest you distinguish objective signs and wonders from snake oils with a Christian facade. They can claim whatever they want, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The difference is that those signs and wonders are evidences by and of themselves, if you have an eye to notice these things which no conventional wisdom can explain; those "claims" are just claims, it's their fault of making unsubstantiated claims, it's your fault and the OP's fault of paying them attention and/or giving them credits.
Maybe we should focus on the fulfillment of existing biblical prophecies in reality than the elusive "gift of prophesy", don't you think?
This is not a matter of "should" the supernatural prophesy be added, it is an issue of "can" these supernatural prophesies of the Holy Spirit be added to the Bible?
And you know it.
The Pentecostals and their ilk have claimed to be given prophesies by God for decades and never once added any of it to scripture.
Why???
Is none of it real?
Is none of it inspired?
Is none of it important enough to be made canon?
The answer is simple.
None of the decades of "supernatural prophesy" by these groups is of the Holy Spirit and they know it.
Not to pile on but have you really read the OP?
Are you agreeing that the Pentecostal movement is but "snake oils with a Christian facade"?
The OP is calling the Pentecostal movement out not "paying them attention and/or giving them credits".
You seem to see the Pentecostal movement as "just claims" and that "it's their fault of making unsubstantiated claims".
Do you also see the Pentecostal movement as but a hodgepodge of dubious claims much like the Mormon movement?
Sorry, I just find your post to be obnoxious and a bit foolish. Why would genuine prophecies have to be added to the Bible if not all genuine prophecies in Biblical times (according to scripture) are in the Bible.
And you know it.
Irritating comment is it, that 'And you know it' stuff?
Why would anyone add genuine modern prophecies to the Bible? That makes no sense. Canon means measuring rod. It's something against which we measure such things.
So, base doctrine on no scripture at all? Just get a chart and write 'church age' on it, and base doctrine on that, right?
Show me where the Bible mentions 'the church age' and the other aspects of the doctrine you promoted in your post above.
Jesus directed John's messengers to report back to him, "...the blind see, the lame walk" within the context of Faith and Anointing of Luke 7.
Answering John's inquiry, a footnote offered of Jesus saying, "Blessed is the one who is not fall away on account of Me," reads "c Or who is not offended by Me" Luke 7:18-23.
Then, Jesus Testifies of John in Luke 7:24-28 asking, "What then did you go out and see? A prophet? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet..." and concluding, "...there is no one greater than John, yet even the least int he kingdom of God is greater than he."
Luke 7:30 "But the Pharisees and the experts in the law rejected God's purpose for themselves..." because they had not received John's "baptism of repentance (Acts 19:4)."
Answering John's inquiry, a footnote offered of Jesus saying, "Blessed is the one who is not fall away on account of Me," reads "c Or who is not offended by Me" Luke 7:18-23.
Then, Jesus Testifies of John in Luke 7:24-28 asking, "What then did you go out and see? A prophet? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet..." and concluding, "...there is no one greater than John, yet even the least int he kingdom of God is greater than he."
Luke 7:30 "But the Pharisees and the experts in the law rejected God's purpose for themselves..." because they had not received John's "baptism of repentance (Acts 19:4)."
All I can agree on is that this thread is a click bait, the grievance in the OP has nothing to do with "cessationism", which is a denial of God's general revelation in nature, both mother nature and human nature.
You are fooling no one by sidestepping the issue.
Again, the question is not "have to be added" the question is can it be added to scripture?
The etymology of the English word "canon" is a strawman.
If the Holy Spirit gives us a prophetic message should it not be given the due respect of scripture?
Can you give an example of the prophetic words of the Holy Spirit given to Pentecostal that equal scripture?