Is faith a reliable way to know truth?

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interesting thing about proof.

We all except some things without proof. The only thing we can know without Faith or belief is that our own Consciousness exists.

However, that only works for me, I can only know my own Consciousness exists. I can't know that the consciousness of other people exists.

I could, for example, simply be a brain in a vat being fed information, illusions.
Yep. That's why I never said I was certain.
 
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When I was lost I was without knowledge of God.
I knew then that there was an unknown God.

It is stupidity to reason as an atheist.

Why would any man reason that God would be seen scientifically.

Why would any man doubt the existence of God.

Science studies what exists.
And there’s no science of origins.
And there’s no scientific reason for believing things created them self’s.

It’s just the dumbest thing to end up atheistic. Who really has such an utter lack of comprehension of science and the common sense world around us except the people trapped in the philosophical religion of atheism?

This whole thread and not one proof of science proving anything evolved but Renate believes in evolution?
Believes in chance producing evolution of all things not created? That’s simply idiotic.

Do you realize that nothing about “chance” is scientific?
Chance produces no trend whatsoever. Duh.

So the idea that...

space created itself....
Then uncreated matter popped into existence within the space...
Then natural laws created themselves...
Then the laws forced all things in space to obey the newly existent laws...
And the space and everything in space expanded...
And in the expansion objects formed...
Then the objects gathered together in structures...
Then etc etc...

The evolution children’s story is a “just so” creation myth for end time heathens.
No science is involved.
You don't believe in evolution? Then why do people get a new flu shot every year?
 
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Well, that is what happened. It does make sense if the bible is not the word of God but rather the word of men.
Since you believe there is no God, what is your point in discussing God?

Is it that you are unsure of your conclusion?

Or is it that you want to point others to the "truth" you have come to (i.e. that there is no God)?
 
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Since you believe there is no God, what is your point in discussing God?

Is it that you are unsure of your conclusion?

Or is it that you want to point others to the "truth" you have come to (i.e. that there is no God)?
I think that there are many christians who may have never personally met an atheist, so I want to show to them where I'm coming from. To make them examine why they believe what they believe and whether those are good reasons.
 
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I think that there are many christians who may have never personally met an atheist, so I want to show to them where I'm coming from. To make them examine why they believe what they believe and whether those are good reasons.
Since you do not believe in God, what "good reasons" could there be for someone to believe in God?
 
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Since you do not believe in God, what "good reasons" could there be for someone to believe in God?
I don't know, if I did, I would believe in God.
Someone close to me had cancer a few years ago. During this time her belief in God gave her a lot of comfort. That is a good reason for her.
 
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I don't know, if I did, I would believe in God.
Someone close to me had cancer a few years ago. During this time her belief in God gave her a lot of comfort. That is a good reason for her.
In 1 Peter 5:6-11, we are told:

6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.

8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

11 To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.



God warns us we are going to suffer in this lifetime.

He tells us to throw all our anxieties to Him because He cares for us (vs 7).

He tells us that during our times of distress, He works within us to perfect us, to establish us, to strengthen us, to settle us (vs 10).

Even while your friend was suffering through her cancer and through her treatment, God was working within her to help her.

It is so interesting how He works from the inside out. He changes us little by little and He is working within us to conform us to the image of His Son. This is a lifelong endeavor and sometimes we resist and fight Him when He works to remove something from us that we do not want to let go of. And sometimes He allows us to hold onto it until we finally let go. And when we finally let go, we realize what a burden it was to hold on to it. We are lighter and more free.

Very interesting how God works!
 

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so as I talked about before there is both cooperation and competition in evolution.

I don't really understand why most atheists seem to focus on the cooperation but not really talked about the competition.
 
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so as I talked about before there is both cooperation and competition in evolution.

I don't really understand why most atheists seem to focus on the cooperation but not really talked about the competition.
I think that is because theists sometimes claim that altruism could not possibly be the result of evolution. In reaction, atheists show that it can, because it is actually beneficial for survival.

Competition occurs when there is conflict over scarce resources. Is that wrong? I think it depends. Fighting wars over oil is wrong in my opinion, while stealing some bread when you are starving is not wrong.
 
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I think that there are many christians who may have never personally met an atheist, so I want to show to them where I'm coming from.
I made another post over on miscellaneous specifically about this topic. I realized it would be more transparant that way.
 

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You don't believe in evolution? Then why do people get a new flu shot every year?
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That's funny.......are you suggesting the basis of a new flu shot validates evolution? No...you can't be.
 
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R...,

That's funny.......are you suggesting the basis of a new flu shot validates evolution? No...you can't be.
We need new flu shots every year because the flu virus evolves. So, yes.
 

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We need new flu shots every year because the flu virus evolves. So, yes.
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How do you separate G-d's built in design of adaptive features ........as not part of evolution?
 

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I think that is because theists sometimes claim that altruism could not possibly be the result of evolution. In reaction, atheists show that it can, because it is actually beneficial for survival.

Competition occurs when there is conflict over scarce resources. Is that wrong? I think it depends. Fighting wars over oil is wrong in my opinion, while stealing some bread when you are starving is not wrong.
if humans are not morally responsible for their actions, then saying something is wrong is really saying one has a feeling about something.

but let's go with that.

When two organisms are competing, whether it's two lions fighting for control of the pride or two humans fighting for control of oil, the organism with the superior genes, more survivable, is more likely to win.

I think that's how natural selection works, and how species evolve.
 
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if humans are not morally responsible for their actions, then saying something is wrong is really saying one has a feeling about something.

but let's go with that.

When two organisms are competing, whether it's two lions fighting for control of the pride or two humans fighting for control of oil, the organism with the superior genes, more survivable, is more likely to win.

I think that's how natural selection works, and how species evolve.
Yes that is accurate.
 
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so as I talked about before there is both cooperation and competition in evolution.

I don't really understand why most atheists seem to focus on the cooperation but not really talked about the competition.
How can they? What answer can they give to this verse:

Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.


The things we see with our eyes were not made of those things we see with our eyes. And the most advanced technology science can come up with will never contradict this truth. Every time science uncovers another "layer" in creation, they discover the magnificent and multi-faceted wisdom of God in that which He has created.


Then we have this truth:

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

First, a person must believe that God is;

Then, that person must diligently seek Him.

When a person flat-out denies God is, that person is not going to diligently seek. To diligently seek is not just a glance here and there. It is a diligent effort to find.


Quote by Robert Jastrow: "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountain of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."


Jeremiah 29:13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
 
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