Is infant baptism biblical?
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No I said the one I WENT through was..... If you read the MANUSCRIPT they developed in the old Holland city Heidelburg, that prescribes to the minister what he should say when baptizing a child... then you would understand.
Zone Jesus did not stop the disciples to baptize with water, and the apostles did not stop Philip, AN I WILL STOP NO ONE EITHER. There is NOTHING EVIL about a water baptism, IF YOU STICK IN THE WORD OF GOD! But if you do it with a HEIDELBURG BAPTISM FORMULA, then I have a HUGE problem if it is not ALIKE the Bible...
The Dutch Reform Church, is a DUTCH institution with MANY unbiblical practises... Let me share just one... They use the Heidelburg Catacasm dictrine for the teaching in their Sunday School.... In the early phaze of teaching children they make a statement.... God sometimes says Yes, somethimes say NO and some times says wait. (to his children) Then I asked them to please give me a verse that will confirm this, and they could not.
I said I can recall God saying this to His Children.....
If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
And that was the end of my children's "sunday school" Oh this is just one SMALL discrepancy with the Word of God, you should hear the ritual to CONFESSION... I believe, I believe...
Again you misunderstand me, man I wish i could be better at expressing myself... I have NOTHING against a water-baptism, NOTHING, if it is done biblical... But we all know it is not a necessaty for salvation. Cornelius received the Holy Spirit baptism without water...
Anyway Zone there is a WATER that is more than water we talk about... Jesus said we should be born of Spirit and Water... And that LIVING WATERS will flow from our bowels... Is this not the WATER BY THE WORD we should Baptize in... It is WATER, it is just not H2O water...
So I believe in a WATER BAPTISM, but it is NOT H2O, it is LIVING WATERS.. The Word of God, the Spirit of God...The Truth, Jesus! Baptize with JESUS!
Zone Jesus did not stop the disciples to baptize with water, and the apostles did not stop Philip, AN I WILL STOP NO ONE EITHER. There is NOTHING EVIL about a water baptism, IF YOU STICK IN THE WORD OF GOD! But if you do it with a HEIDELBURG BAPTISM FORMULA, then I have a HUGE problem if it is not ALIKE the Bible...
The Dutch Reform Church, is a DUTCH institution with MANY unbiblical practises... Let me share just one... They use the Heidelburg Catacasm dictrine for the teaching in their Sunday School.... In the early phaze of teaching children they make a statement.... God sometimes says Yes, somethimes say NO and some times says wait. (to his children) Then I asked them to please give me a verse that will confirm this, and they could not.
I said I can recall God saying this to His Children.....
If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
And that was the end of my children's "sunday school" Oh this is just one SMALL discrepancy with the Word of God, you should hear the ritual to CONFESSION... I believe, I believe...
Again you misunderstand me, man I wish i could be better at expressing myself... I have NOTHING against a water-baptism, NOTHING, if it is done biblical... But we all know it is not a necessaty for salvation. Cornelius received the Holy Spirit baptism without water...
Anyway Zone there is a WATER that is more than water we talk about... Jesus said we should be born of Spirit and Water... And that LIVING WATERS will flow from our bowels... Is this not the WATER BY THE WORD we should Baptize in... It is WATER, it is just not H2O water...
So I believe in a WATER BAPTISM, but it is NOT H2O, it is LIVING WATERS.. The Word of God, the Spirit of God...The Truth, Jesus! Baptize with JESUS!
2 Corinthians 12
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
[SUP]9[/SUP]And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Paul asked three times for God to take it away and God said no.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
[SUP]9[/SUP]And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Paul asked three times for God to take it away and God said no.
Sorry Cobus,
No matter how you want to slice it,dice it,and out in a blender,God's answer to what Paul was asking for was NO. Jesus asked for the cup to be removed,the Father did NOT remove it,Jesus submitted His will to the Father but the Father's answer to having the cup taken away was NO. David pleaded with God not to take his son's life from his adultery with Bathsheba and the answer was NO.
Moses prayer to God so that he could enter the promised land
[SUP]23 [/SUP]At that time I pleaded with the Lord: [SUP]24 [/SUP]“Sovereign Lord, you have begun to show to your servant your greatness and your strong hand. For what god is there in heaven or on earth who can do the deeds and mighty works you do? [SUP]25 [/SUP]Let me go over and see the good land beyond the Jordan—that fine hill country and Lebanon.”
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But because of you the Lord was angry with me and would not listen to me. “That is enough,” the Lord said. “Do not speak to me anymore about this matter. [SUP]27 [/SUP]Go up to the top of Pisgah and look west and north and south and east. Look at the land with your own eyes, since you are not going to cross this Jordan. [SUP]28 [/SUP]But commission Joshua, and encourage and strengthen him, for he will lead this people across and will cause them to inherit the land that you will see.” [SUP]29 [/SUP]So we stayed in the valley near Beth Peor.
Moses was told no also. Many times God's answer is no.
No matter how you want to slice it,dice it,and out in a blender,God's answer to what Paul was asking for was NO. Jesus asked for the cup to be removed,the Father did NOT remove it,Jesus submitted His will to the Father but the Father's answer to having the cup taken away was NO. David pleaded with God not to take his son's life from his adultery with Bathsheba and the answer was NO.
Moses prayer to God so that he could enter the promised land
[SUP]23 [/SUP]At that time I pleaded with the Lord: [SUP]24 [/SUP]“Sovereign Lord, you have begun to show to your servant your greatness and your strong hand. For what god is there in heaven or on earth who can do the deeds and mighty works you do? [SUP]25 [/SUP]Let me go over and see the good land beyond the Jordan—that fine hill country and Lebanon.”
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But because of you the Lord was angry with me and would not listen to me. “That is enough,” the Lord said. “Do not speak to me anymore about this matter. [SUP]27 [/SUP]Go up to the top of Pisgah and look west and north and south and east. Look at the land with your own eyes, since you are not going to cross this Jordan. [SUP]28 [/SUP]But commission Joshua, and encourage and strengthen him, for he will lead this people across and will cause them to inherit the land that you will see.” [SUP]29 [/SUP]So we stayed in the valley near Beth Peor.
Moses was told no also. Many times God's answer is no.
Sarah, why do you not answer my question.... Did God ever SAY no to you? And please just give one example so that I can show you the error of your thinking....
if God already said that Moses would not enter the promisd land is it not a sin to ask God to change His mind? Can God change His mind? Like it says in Genesis.... God repented... Man imagine God repenting...
And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.
Do you think God can THINK EVIL? Does God have to REPENT?
So you see there is a lot more to the Word of God, without ADDING OR TAKING AWAY...... And God's PROPHET told David that the LORD said the child would die... And why NOT, It is God's desicion.... What man can COUNCIL God? The only reason God said "NO" to Paul
Let us JUST STICK to Paul and God's no to Paul. If God said through a prophet or by Himself.... This is what I will do, and He does not do it then it would make God a lier, and God said many things to many people. No is an answer to MEN, not to HOLY MEN! They only get YES, except if they go outside God's will, but then they are not HOLY any longer anyway.
So please answer my question.... DID GOD EVER SAY NO TO YOU? Please give a short detail of the NO if HE DID, and I will share Paul's NO with you. It is beautiful. You will enjoy it....
if God already said that Moses would not enter the promisd land is it not a sin to ask God to change His mind? Can God change His mind? Like it says in Genesis.... God repented... Man imagine God repenting...
And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.
Do you think God can THINK EVIL? Does God have to REPENT?
So you see there is a lot more to the Word of God, without ADDING OR TAKING AWAY...... And God's PROPHET told David that the LORD said the child would die... And why NOT, It is God's desicion.... What man can COUNCIL God? The only reason God said "NO" to Paul
Let us JUST STICK to Paul and God's no to Paul. If God said through a prophet or by Himself.... This is what I will do, and He does not do it then it would make God a lier, and God said many things to many people. No is an answer to MEN, not to HOLY MEN! They only get YES, except if they go outside God's will, but then they are not HOLY any longer anyway.
So please answer my question.... DID GOD EVER SAY NO TO YOU? Please give a short detail of the NO if HE DID, and I will share Paul's NO with you. It is beautiful. You will enjoy it....
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Originally Posted by Cobus
The Dutch Reform Church, is a DUTCH institution with MANY unbiblical practises... Let me share just one... They use the Heidelburg Catacasm dictrine for the teaching in their Sunday School.... In the early phaze of teaching children they make a statement.... God sometimes says Yes, somethimes say NO and some times says wait. (to his children) Then I asked them to please give me a verse that will confirm this, and they could not.
You lust and do not have; so you commit murder. You are envious and cannot obtain; so you fight and quarrel. You do not have because you do not ask. (James 4:2)
Imagine what a mess we'd be in if God gave to His children each and every thing they asked for.
no, you're not on my ignore list.
what about baptism in one Name?
you don't believe in water baptism, so what's your issue?
and you don't believe you've received the Holy Spirit either.
so what's your question?
i noticed you have a new list of sacred names popping up also.
stay on topic with sarah and ellie - you started asking will God not answer and say yes to people.
you said He always will....they're saying He sometimes doesn't.
my question to you is - are you going to get anything from Him if you do not obey The Gospel?
what about baptism in one Name?
you don't believe in water baptism, so what's your issue?
and you don't believe you've received the Holy Spirit either.
so what's your question?
i noticed you have a new list of sacred names popping up also.
stay on topic with sarah and ellie - you started asking will God not answer and say yes to people.
you said He always will....they're saying He sometimes doesn't.
my question to you is - are you going to get anything from Him if you do not obey The Gospel?
k....so far found one site claiming water baptism ceased. but it has a virus so....
but will keep looking. if anyone has anything on it i can read i would be grateful.
i thought this guy was going to say it...so i read the whole article (short). he covers the various baptisms we've been discussing.
but then he closes with this (might as well post it):
Now, Though, "There Is One Baptism"
<snip>
Since there is now, in our age, "one baptism," which of the two, water or Holy Spirit, has ceased? When the purpose of the baptisms that have ceased was fulfilled, the baptism ceased. For example, when the baptism "unto Moses" achieved its purpose, when Israel was finally separated from Egyptian bondage, that baptism was never repeated. When the baptism of John accomplished its purpose, it, too, was terminated (Acts 19:1-5).
but will keep looking. if anyone has anything on it i can read i would be grateful.
i thought this guy was going to say it...so i read the whole article (short). he covers the various baptisms we've been discussing.
but then he closes with this (might as well post it):
Now, Though, "There Is One Baptism"
<snip>
Since there is now, in our age, "one baptism," which of the two, water or Holy Spirit, has ceased? When the purpose of the baptisms that have ceased was fulfilled, the baptism ceased. For example, when the baptism "unto Moses" achieved its purpose, when Israel was finally separated from Egyptian bondage, that baptism was never repeated. When the baptism of John accomplished its purpose, it, too, was terminated (Acts 19:1-5).
Again. . . .amazing. . .To have all truth we need to be led by the Spirit of truth. . .the Comforter, i.e. the holy Spirit.
Mark 16:16 is questionable because Mark 16:9-20, by some scholars, were added at a later date and even questionable if Mark even wrote them.
Baptism of the holy spirit - the gift from God - is often referred to as being poured out, filled with - living water.
John 4:10,13,14 . . . If thou knewest the gift of God and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water. . .Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
John 7:37-39 . . . .If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (but this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the holy spirit was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
I do reiterate - I see nothing wrong with water baptism for a public confession of faith in Jesus Christ - not for salvation.
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is it though?
Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."
who were those who received the Power from on High at Pentecost?
Acts 1:5
For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit." < who was Jesus speaking to?
then what is Peter saying AFTER that?
Acts 2:38
Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."
who were those who received the Power from on High at Pentecost?
Acts 1:5
For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit." < who was Jesus speaking to?
then what is Peter saying AFTER that?
Acts 2:38
Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
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