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Is jesus a god ?
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GraceBeUntoYou
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I've read through some of the responses, and I can say that it is pain staking (to the point where my eyes begin to bleed) to see people cite verses, and offer no exposition of any sort. Cite a verse, offer no exposition of what's being communicated -- and people wonder why we Trinitarians are mistaken for Modalists.
But more towards your post, no, it's not a requirement to understand Greek and Hebrew. But I would say that in order to accurately understand what the authors of the NT are communicating, then I would argue that it is essential to study that author's style of writing.
John 1.1b does not say, “the Word was in God,” nor does it say, “the Word was God’s,” rather, the preposition πρός (“pros”) is used -- “the Word was with God.” And not only was the Logos “with” God, but because the preposition πρός is followed by a noun in the accusative case, this indicates that the Logos was existing simultaneously in a personal side-by-side, or face-to-face communion with God (c.f. John 1.29, 1.42, 1.47), not as an attribute inhering within Him.
the "s" i do agree,,,,two sets,,,,,the first set of events unfold and are a mirror image of the second,,,,after the first the second will appear. in the first set,the man of sin will rise,say he is Christ returned with his angels(fallen),,,and since the earth saw "war(s) and rumer(s) of war(s) and earthquake(s) in diver(s) place(s) they will assume the man of sin to be Christ in his second return,,,,,,
and then the second set of "s'es will unfold",,,,,,,,
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cfultz3
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Iamsoandso,
I am greatly sorry for any misunderstandings. I was talking about the different administrations/operations of the Godhead when others were denying such.
1Co 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Co 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
1Co 12:6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
But, I do agree with you that, at least, some will believe the antichrist to be christ. God bless!!!
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GreenNnice
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The Word = Jesus.
This pretty much tells us who was with God from the beginning. Himself
Jesus was around in the beginning, Jesus was with God in the beginning, and, here is the clincher, the Word WAS God
If you say, "Who was the man of steel?"
And, I say, 'Superman.'
You should conclude, man of steel WAS ('is' works too) superman. Or. man of steel = superman Or. IN this case above, Jesus = God
And, we KNOW too that 'The spirit of God was moving over the deep,' from Genesis 1 , so, Holy Spirit = God .
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richie_2uk
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danschance
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Your complete ignorance of what Christians teach and believe is why you are so confused. Christians do not believe in "gods" or "trinities of gods".
1) The bible says there is only one God.
2) The bible says "The Father" is God.
3) The bible says Jesus is God.
4) The bible says Holy Spirit is God.
So if there is only one God with three persons called God, we call that the trinity.
i am not offended with you,,,,there are s's in several places in scripture,,,,the Gospel came and the gnostic left out to show they are not of us. the lord will come,,so the man of sin will appear in the midst of events to cause the earth to see him as the Messiah. he will fulfill the scripture "before the kings and the synagogs,and many will be put to death",,,they will believe he is god in the earth and parents will save their children by relieving their hiding places that they be reunited with god,and children will think they do the will of god and betray the parents.,,,the end is upon us and the first god to come will,in the eye of the many fulfill it,whether he be the man of sin or not,,,,,you have not offended me my friend,,
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richie_2uk
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So God the Father (seperate being) has no voice or "vocal chords" so to speak, but there was always another being who had the Father's "vocal chords" called the Word?
Just listen and use good old common sense as again, Christ is simple.
So who named Him the "Word"? His co-eternal Father? And when He spoke was it just a word, but not THE WORD that have life within it?
Now the Father is Spirit (one being and i guess can't speak) along with a co-eternal Son (the Word) and the Holy Spirit, which again just like THE WORD, is a seperate spirit being altogether?
Confusion, lol.
I cannot tell you what either trinitarianism or modelism is by definition.
I can tell you that it is these labels that divides us like gangmembers, though! But the truth is that the same force will kill and make alive both!
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cfultz3
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Are you seriously saying that what you wrote was what you gathered from what GraveBeUntoYou said? Would you gather the same from me if I were to say that the Word spoke things into existence by His own power?
Confusive indeed
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Anonimous
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Are you seriously saying that what you wrote was what you gathered from what GraveBeUntoYou said? Would you gather the same from me if I were to say that the Word spoke things into existence by His own power?
Confusive indeed
Yes. The Word had it's own power but Jesus received His by the Father?
The Father is a Spirit snd God but is AND is not the Son or HS.
The Son is God but is and not the Father or the HS.
The HS is obviously a Spirit, but again not the Father (who is Spirit too) or the Son, in ONE GOD?
Confusion.
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Bryancampbell
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Father is not the Son who is not the Holy Spirit. But they all three are one God.
If the Father was the Son, then the Son is not the Son but the Father, there would be a vain description of Jesus praying if He was the Father. But the Father is a different person higher than the Son, but they both have equal divinity as God Almighty.
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cfultz3
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Well then that says it all: the Word is an it. This it came in the flesh and was called Jesus. .
So all three are God....but yet, the Word is an it.....?
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Bryancampbell
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Think of it like this friend,
God is like water, water can freeze and water can be evaporated. The earth is the only planet in our solar system to produce all three types of water at the same time, like the trinity, water ice and steam (evaporated water). All three forms is water but they hold a different attribute of structure. Water is the source of the other two forms.
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Adinah
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I actually don't think the bible specifically says Jesus is God. Now don't get me wrong. I believe Jesus was with the Father in the beginning and through Him everything was created. So yes, obviously Jesus was co-creator with the Creator. My only point is that we use the word "God" when I think we actually mean our creator. Demons were worshipped as gods in the OT. But demons were not our creators. There's lots of beings that are supernatural from our standpoint, so I suppose they could or would be called gods by many. But again, they aren't the Creator. Surely that's the deciphering point there. Right? Again, otherwise any angel, since an angel is supernatural from our standpoint, might be thought of as a god. So when we say God with the big G, we're talking about our Creator. Have I confused the issue enough now?
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danschance
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All you are doing is telling us what you believe. The bible does not agree with you, so you are lying.