is jesus god ?? or son of g0d ?

[wisdomseeker]

Yeah Jesus is God.....when He is known for being the Son of God that makes Him fully God and when he says He is the Son of man He is referring to the fully human side.

Now God does not look a pond sin and when Jesus held all of our sins on Him, He was covered in our sins and God does not look a pond sin and Jesus said that because God had abandoned Him for what He held.......but Jesus was raised from the dead by Himself (Father)......This proves Jesus is God so what do you mean when He said "my Go my God" because i had just explained it, that verse itself explains Jesus being God

Peace be to you
God does not lie,heb 6-18,
That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

So lets see who God says Jesus is;math,
And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

So lets see who Jesus desciples say he is,
When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Now lets see who Jesus christ says he is;john,
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?You believe just like the Jews here crazy4godword even after Jesus rebuked your belief

You notice in acks the condition for baptism was believe he was Gods son.acks8
Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

eph 6;Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.


Love a friend in God

 

[Blackson]

hi everyone interested in this mystery. most believe that jesus is god.
well if thats your believe , that only create a lot of questions :

1. on the cross why did he cry . my god my god ?
2. why did he say , into your hand i commit my apirit ?
3. why did he say , my father is greater than i
4. why did he say i my self can not do anything ?
5. in revelation ch. 3:12 why did he call his father my god and your god ?
6. now in heaven why is he sitting next to god ?


all these questions needs to be answered with total honesty you can not just accept any ones opinion without looking in to it very seriously because it is most important to know who you are realy worshiping this is called . knowing your lord spending time to seek him. because you dont him on the mountain or behind that hill or in this church or that church (need to read john4:21-----24)

so, who is jesus realy. you start with reading john 1:1 : in the beginning was the Word and the word was with GOD and the WORD was GOD : it simply is saying that GODS WORD is inside him just like our word is inside us. we also can achieve things just by speaking. because we are created in the image of GOD :
now the WORD became flesh, how did he do this? well he simply commanded the womb of mary to conceive
mary got pregnant , and a man child was born: and the WORD became flesh. and he dwellt among us(men ) inside the flesh dwells GOD. he is the temple of GOD, when he open his mouth god is speaking.
.

In the first place Jesus is God, and son of God, NOT god. According to Christian faith the two refer to two differing personalities.

Jesus or 'Jeshua' meaning 'Yahweh saves' in Hebrew, Christ (Gk) or Messiah (Hebrew) the Immanuel meaning God is with us (mat.1:23; Isaiah 7:14) is God and the son of God. Hebrews 3:1; 4:14 show Jesus as a great high priest who make sacrifices for his people and who is Himself a sacrifice.Hebrews 1:2 presents Him as the creator of all things,the perfect representation of God (v3) and the apostle of our confession (3:1).

To answer all the questions: Jesus was at once both fully human and fully God. The questions asked above are just some of many evidences for His humanity. Jesus slept, wept, he angered etc. He did this to associate Himself with humans who He came to deliver. Yet He was God.

 

[Dutch41]

Peace be to you
God does not lie,heb 6-18,
That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

So lets see who God says Jesus is;math,
And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

So lets see who Jesus desciples say he is,
When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Now lets see who Jesus christ says he is;john,
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?You believe just like the Jews here crazy4godword even after Jesus rebuked your belief

You notice in acks the condition for baptism was believe he was Gods son.acks8
Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

eph 6;Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.


Love a friend in God

First as a respond at John 10:
The context:
28 And I give to them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do you stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone you not; but for blasphemy; and because that you, being a man, make yourself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, You are gods?
35 If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say you of him, whom the Father has sanctified, and sent into the world, You blaspheme; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

When read this Scripture: There is something interesting: Because Jesus said this in an other context. To understand, you have to read from the start: Or actually in John 8,
With a climax in John 8:58 where Jesus said:

56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews to him, You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the middle of them, and so passed by.
1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.

Here Jesus said who He really is: In the Greek translated the Ego eimi.. Or the Big I am.

The second time.. is after the healing from the blind born. What was at the Sabbath. And they didn't want to kill Jesus because he healed the blind man. But because Jesus said:

- My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

- And I give to them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

-My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.

- The Father and I are one.

Than the Jews reaction was: Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

And:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone you not; but for blasphemy; and because that you, being a man, make yourself God.

They didn't said.. because that you made yourself the son of God. But they meant the Father.

The reaction of Jesus is this: You blaspheme; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.



Interesting is that Jesus made the Son of God equal to God. Is this strange? No, totally not:

In Chapter 12 Jesus this:39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
40 He has blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spoke of him.

Who saw Isaiah?
read chapter 6
1 In the year of king ‘Uzziyahu’s death I saw the Lord sitting upon a high and exalted throne, and his train filled the temple.
2 Seraphim were standing around him, each one had six wings; with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two did he fly.
3 And one called unto the other, and said, Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of hosts; the whole earth is full of his glory.

Who is the Lord? The Lord here isn't called son of the Lord.. but YHWH.

Is this true? Yes because Jesus refer at Isiaha 6:10.
10 Obdurate will remain the heart of this people, and their ears will be heavy, and their eyes will be shut: so that they will not see with their eyes, nor hear with their ears, nor their hearts be understanding, so that they be converted, and healing be granted them.

So, actually Jesus said He is the I am.. (remember what He said when He talked about Abraham in John 8)

Is there more? Yes.. The Bible is very clear why Jesus is called the son of God. For that we have to read Lc 1:28 vv When Gabriel met Mary:

29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
30 And the angel said to her, Fear not, Mary: for you have found favor with God.
31 And, behold, you shall conceive in your womb, and bring forth a son, and shall call his name JESUS.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give to him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
34 Then said Mary to the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
35 And the angel answered and said to her, The Holy Ghost shall come on you, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow you: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of you shall be called the son of God.

Here is the reason: because that the Holy Gost came over Mary.. the one is called.. Son of God..

Another part is: John 1:1and the Word was God.

What did John said: And the Word was the son of God.. No, he said.. The word was God.

What does this mean? Well it mean that the Jew knew that with the son of God, meant God in Flesh. Like Phil 2:6-8 said.

6 who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God,
7 but made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men.
8 And being found in the fashion of a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient unto death—even the death of the cross.

That is why

 

[Peacefulcrusader]

[...] To answer all the questions: Jesus was at once both fully human and fully God. [...]

Good post!

 

[Dutch41]

In the first place Jesus is God, and son of God, NOT god. According to Christian faith the two refer to two differing personalities.

Jesus or 'Jeshua' meaning 'Yahweh saves' in Hebrew, Christ (Gk) or Messiah (Hebrew) the Immanuel meaning God is with us (mat.1:23; Isaiah 7:14) is God and the son of God. Hebrews 3:1; 4:14 show Jesus as a great high priest who make sacrifices for his people and who is Himself a sacrifice.Hebrews 1:2 presents Him as the creator of all things,the perfect representation of God (v3) and the apostle of our confession (3:1).

To answer all the questions: Jesus was at once both fully human and fully God. The questions asked above are just some of many evidences for His humanity. Jesus slept, wept, he angered etc. He did this to associate Himself with humans who He came to deliver. Yet He was God.

I agree fully with you and you did a really great job.

hi everyone interested in this mystery. most believe that jesus is god.
well if thats your believe , that only create a lot of questions :

1. on the cross why did he cry . my god my god ?

Because he is was fully human (Phil 2:6-John 1:14)

Why did God called Jesus God.. that is the same question

2. why did he say , into your hand i commit my apirit ?

The same answer as 1..
Why did Stefanus said..Acts 7:59 And they stoned Stephen as he called upon God and said, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!"

3. why did he say , my father is greater than i

Because Phil 2:6-11 8 and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient even unto death, yea, the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore also God highly exalted him, and gave unto him the name which is above every name;
10 that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven and things on earth and things under the earth,
11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

4. why did he say i my self can not do anything ?

Because he was human... and.. he had to learn

Hebrews 2:17 Therefore in all things it behooved Him to be made like unto His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Hebrews 4:15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot be touched with the feelings of our infirmities, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.

this is the key.. if Jesus became a human and he was equal now ..

5. in revelation ch. 3:12 why did he call his father my god and your god ?
6. now in heaven why is he sitting next to god ?

Because it was during His days in the flesh His God. And he raised up... not as god, but as a human
and it pointed to the resurrection. And He will exalted..

Interesting is: who is sitting at the throne?

Revelation 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God; and they serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall spread his tabernacle over them.
Revelation 7:17 for the Lamb that is in the midst of the throne shall be their shepherd, and shall guide them unto fountains of waters of life: and God shall wipe away every tear from their eyes.

Who is sitting at the Throne? is it the Lamb?

Revelation 22:1 And he showed me a pure river of the Water of Life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Revelation 22:3 And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him.

both are sitting there.. Remind the Scripture from John
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

all these questions needs to be answered with total honesty you can not just accept any ones opinion without looking in to it very seriously because it is most important to know who you are realy worshiping this is called . knowing your lord spending time to seek him. because you dont him on the mountain or behind that hill or in this church or that church (need to read john4:21-----24)

so, who is jesus realy. you start with reading john 1:1 : in the beginning was the Word and the word was with GOD and the WORD was GOD : it simply is saying that GODS WORD is inside him just like our word is inside us. we also can achieve things just by speaking. because we are created in the image of GOD :
now the WORD became flesh, how did he do this? well he simply commanded the womb of mary to conceive
mary got pregnant , and a man child was born: and the WORD became flesh. and he dwellt among us(men ) inside the flesh dwells GOD. he is the temple of GOD, when he open his mouth god is speaking.

No, John 1:1 don't said that Gods Word is inside him
1 John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, that which we have heard, that which we have seen with our eyes, that which we beheld, and our hands handled, concerning the Word of life

They touched the Word.. and the Word became flesh John 1:14

Jesus He is the Creator, the Alpha the Omega, the first the Last.. the Everlasting Father, the Mighty God. YHWH Tsidkeno..

 

[wisdomseeker]

First as a respond at John 10:
The context:
28 And I give to them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do you stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone you not; but for blasphemy; and because that you, being a man, make yourself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, You are gods?
35 If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say you of him, whom the Father has sanctified, and sent into the world, You blaspheme; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
40 He has blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spoke of him.

Who saw Isaiah?
read chapter 6
1 In the year of king ‘Uzziyahu’s death I saw the Lord sitting upon a high and exalted throne, and his train filled the temple.2 Seraphim were standing around him, each one had six wings; with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two did he fly.3 And one called unto the other, and said, Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of hosts; the whole earth is full of his glory.Who is the Lord? The Lord here isn't called son of the Lord.. but YHWH.
Is this true? Yes because Jesus refer at Isiaha 6:10.
10 Obdurate will remain the heart of this people, and their ears will be heavy, and their eyes will be shut: so that they will not see with their eyes, nor hear with their ears, nor their hearts be understanding, so that they be converted, and healing be granted them.So, actually Jesus said He is the I am.. (remember what He said when He talked about Abraham in John 8)
Is there more? Yes.. The Bible is very clear why Jesus is called the son of God. For that we have to read Lc 1:28 vv When Gabriel met Mary: And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.30 And the angel said to her, Fear not, Mary: for you have found favor with God.
31 And, behold, you shall conceive in your womb, and bring forth a son, and shall call his name JESUS.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give to him the throne of his father David:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
34 Then said Mary to the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?35 And the angel answered and said to her, The Holy Ghost shall come on you, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow you: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of you shall be called the son of God.Here is the reason: because that the Holy Gost came over Mary.. the one is called.. Son of God..Another part is: John 1:1and the Word was God.What did John said: And the Word was the son of God.. No, he said.. The word was God. What does this mean? Well it mean that the Jew knew that with the son of God, meant God in Flesh. Like Phil 2:6-8 said.6 who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men. And being found in the fashion of a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient unto death—even the death of the cross.
That is why

You dont seem to believe the verse.Now lets see who Jesus christ says he is;john,
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
you will notice the clickable link I added to" I said ye are Gods?if he called them Gods,unto whom the word of God came.

This means all people who the word of God comes are Gods.Lets take moses for an example.exodus7,1
And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.God made moses a God.

Lets look at other prophet,eziek,
And he said unto me, Son of man, stand upon thy feet, and I will speak unto thee.And the spirit entered into me when he spake unto me, and set me upon my feet, that I heard him that spake unto me.
And he said unto me, Son of man, I send thee to the children of Israel, to a rebellious nation that hath rebelled against me: they and their fathers have transgressed against me, even unto this very day.

We see here once the spirit enters he started to hear so God spirit is with him just the same as the spirit of God set upon Jesus

Now you point to my father and I are one,Well I am also 1 with God.
John 17,
And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

Now lets look at Moses,acks
And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. I will remind you of all the miracles God did threw Moses

Lets look at Jesus testamony on the cross.psalm,My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring? O my God, I cry in the day time, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.
But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.
Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them.
They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded.
But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,
He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.
Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.
Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.
They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.
I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.
My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.
But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me.
Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog.
Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee. Clickable links

The book of mark chapter 1The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God

better take you blinders off you might fall in a hole

Love a friend in God

 

[wisdomseeker]

Jesus is the son of God

I am suppose to give you all this verse
math 5,
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

I think your suppose to work on your hearts.in Jesus name


Love a friend in God

 

[xsabrina90x]

John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

 

[wakeup]

Yeah Jesus is God.....when He is known for being the Son of God that makes Him fully God and when he says He is the Son of man He is referring to the fully human side.

Now God does not look a pond sin and when Jesus held all of our sins on Him, He was covered in our sins and God does not look a pond sin and Jesus said that because God had abandoned Him for what He held.......but Jesus was raised from the dead by Himself (Father)......This proves Jesus is God so what do you mean when He said "my Go my God" because i had just explained it, that verse itself explains Jesus being God

you say god died for our sins, you obviously worship a
god that is mortal ???i worship god that is spirit, from
everlasting, immortal, he is life itself.
ponder on this, dont be hard headed protecting your church
when one should protect the truth, no matter how much
the love for the church, god always first. remember the first
comm. you shall love the lord your god, with all your heart,
with all your soul with all your strength. he that love brother or sister or mother or father more than me is not worthy
of me.??????

 

[Dutch41]

You dont seem to believe the verse.Now lets see who Jesus christ says he is;john,
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
you will notice the clickable link I added to" I said ye are Gods?if he called them Gods,unto whom the word of God came.

This means all people who the word of God comes are Gods.Lets take moses for an example.exodus7,1
And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.God made moses a God.

First.. In Ex 7:1 is not written a God.. (that is only translated like that) it is written elohiem. So, what YHWH mean is: you are taken my place here.

Second a pity that you didn't read the whole chapters in the context and that you made your own story about it,..

When you quote me.. pls do it in the context of what I write. And pls don't make your own story.

Gave a reaction at what I wrote more..

Lets look at other prophet,eziek,
And he said unto me, Son of man, stand upon thy feet, and I will speak unto thee.And the spirit entered into me when he spake unto me, and set me upon my feet, that I heard him that spake unto me.
And he said unto me, Son of man, I send thee to the children of Israel, to a rebellious nation that hath rebelled against me: they and their fathers have transgressed against me, even unto this very day.

We see here once the spirit enters he started to hear so God spirit is with him just the same as the spirit of God set upon Jesus

No.. this isn't the same... Here Ezekiel meet (who???) Interesting isn't it?? He saw the same person as Isaiah.. in 6:1 Remember the Scripture John 12:41 Because NO MAN SAW GOD..

Now you point to my father and I are one,Well I am also 1 with God.
John 17,
And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

That isn't written: Jesus didn't say: I am one with God... He mean: When you see me. You see God.
Is that true? Yes.. John 12:45, 14:9. Col 1:15..

The interesting part is in John 17:11
And I am no more in the world, and these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep them in thy name which thou hast given me, that they may be one, even as we are.

what was the praying from Jesus? That they may be one. And it mean..That they are one in unity.. (not the same person) like Jesus and God are. So it is interesting that you put this vers. Because it prove the opposite what you mean.

Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

It mean.. we are one in Christ.. (see Gal 3;28) Or let I say.. The body of Christ is the church.. and we are the members.

Now lets look at Moses,acks
And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. I will remind you of all the miracles God did threw Moses

Yes?

Lets look at Jesus testamony on the cross.psalm,My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring? O my God, I cry in the day time, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.
But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.
Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them.
They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded.
But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,
He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.
Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.
Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.
They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.
I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.
My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.
But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me.
Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog.
Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee. Clickable links

The book of mark chapter 1The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God

better take you blinders off you might fall in a hole

Love a friend in God

It is really good to watch the Old Testament.. And I will gave you a reaction...

Because I think you are right in this.. Jesus have to be written in the OT. And like the Berea believers.. We have to seek and investigate the Scripture..

 

[wakeup]

John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

in hebrews i:8 god himself called his son god.
and in verse 9. god says, ----even thy god had anointed thee.
jesus is worshipped so he is god.we all worship him .
we have jesus we have god, we have god we have jesus.
if one dis honour the word one dishonour god.

wakeup.

 

[wakeup]

You dont seem to believe the verse.Now lets see who Jesus christ says he is;john,
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
you will notice the clickable link I added to" I said ye are Gods?if he called them Gods,unto whom the word of God came.

This means all people who the word of God comes are Gods.Lets take moses for an example.exodus7,1
And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.God made moses a God.

Lets look at other prophet,eziek,
And he said unto me, Son of man, stand upon thy feet, and I will speak unto thee.And the spirit entered into me when he spake unto me, and set me upon my feet, that I heard him that spake unto me.
And he said unto me, Son of man, I send thee to the children of Israel, to a rebellious nation that hath rebelled against me: they and their fathers have transgressed against me, even unto this very day.

We see here once the spirit enters he started to hear so God spirit is with him just the same as the spirit of God set upon Jesus

Now you point to my father and I are one,Well I am also 1 with God.
John 17,
And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

Now lets look at Moses,acks
And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. I will remind you of all the miracles God did threw Moses

Lets look at Jesus testamony on the cross.psalm,My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring? O my God, I cry in the day time, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.
But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.
Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them.
They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded.
But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,
He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.
Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.
Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.
They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.
I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.
My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.
But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me.
Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog.
Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee. Clickable links

The book of mark chapter 1The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God

better take you blinders off you might fall in a hole

Love a friend in God

yes, we are all gods knowing good and evil ,gen.3:22.
and the lord god said , behold the man is become as one of us,to know good and evil: and now lest he put forth his hand and take also
of the tree of life ,and eat and live fore ever.

regards
wakeup

 

[wakeup]

I agree fully with you and you did a really great job.

Because he is was fully human (Phil 2:6-John 1:14)

Why did God called Jesus God.. that is the same question



The same answer as 1..
Why did Stefanus said..Acts 7:59 And they stoned Stephen as he called upon God and said, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!"



Because Phil 2:6-11 8 and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient even unto death, yea, the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore also God highly exalted him, and gave unto him the name which is above every name;
10 that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven and things on earth and things under the earth,
11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


Because he was human... and.. he had to learn

Hebrews 2:17 Therefore in all things it behooved Him to be made like unto His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Hebrews 4:15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot be touched with the feelings of our infirmities, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.

this is the key.. if Jesus became a human and he was equal now ..


Because it was during His days in the flesh His God. And he raised up... not as god, but as a human
and it pointed to the resurrection. And He will exalted..

Interesting is: who is sitting at the throne?

Revelation 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God; and they serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall spread his tabernacle over them.
Revelation 7:17 for the Lamb that is in the midst of the throne shall be their shepherd, and shall guide them unto fountains of waters of life: and God shall wipe away every tear from their eyes.

Who is sitting at the Throne? is it the Lamb?

Revelation 22:1 And he showed me a pure river of the Water of Life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Revelation 22:3 And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him.

both are sitting there.. Remind the Scripture from John
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.



No, John 1:1 don't said that Gods Word is inside him
1 John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, that which we have heard, that which we have seen with our eyes, that which we beheld, and our hands handled, concerning the Word of life

They touched the Word.. and the Word became flesh John 1:14

Jesus He is the Creator, the Alpha the Omega, the first the Last.. the Everlasting Father, the Mighty God. YHWH Tsidkeno..

jesus is ---the word ----of GOD , THE WORD THAT COMES OUT OF
THE MOUTH OF GOD, EVERYTIME god SPEAKS THE WORD COMES
OUT OF HIS MOUTH.

 

[wakeup]

John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

WE TRUE BELIEVERS ARE ALL ONE WITH GOD AND JESUS,
ONE IN THE SAME SPIRIT. WE BELIEVE IN ONE SPIRIT, THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH.

 

[wakeup]

I agree fully with you and you did a really great job.

Because he is was fully human (Phil 2:6-John 1:14)

Why did God called Jesus God.. that is the same question



The same answer as 1..
Why did Stefanus said..Acts 7:59 And they stoned Stephen as he called upon God and said, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!"



Because Phil 2:6-11 8 and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient even unto death, yea, the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore also God highly exalted him, and gave unto him the name which is above every name;
10 that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven and things on earth and things under the earth,
11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


Because he was human... and.. he had to learn

Hebrews 2:17 Therefore in all things it behooved Him to be made like unto His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Hebrews 4:15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot be touched with the feelings of our infirmities, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.

this is the key.. if Jesus became a human and he was equal now ..


Because it was during His days in the flesh His God. And he raised up... not as god, but as a human
and it pointed to the resurrection. And He will exalted..

Interesting is: who is sitting at the throne?

Revelation 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God; and they serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall spread his tabernacle over them.
Revelation 7:17 for the Lamb that is in the midst of the throne shall be their shepherd, and shall guide them unto fountains of waters of life: and God shall wipe away every tear from their eyes.

Who is sitting at the Throne? is it the Lamb?

Revelation 22:1 And he showed me a pure river of the Water of Life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Revelation 22:3 And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him.

both are sitting there.. Remind the Scripture from John
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.



No, John 1:1 don't said that Gods Word is inside him
1 John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, that which we have heard, that which we have seen with our eyes, that which we beheld, and our hands handled, concerning the Word of life

They touched the Word.. and the Word became flesh John 1:14

Jesus He is the Creator, the Alpha the Omega, the first the Last.. the Everlasting Father, the Mighty God. YHWH Tsidkeno..

JOHN1:1 NEVER SAYS IN THE BEGINNING WAS GOD. --FOR GOD HAS NO BEGINNING.
BUT IT SAYS IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, THIS WAS WHEN THE WORD STARTED CREATING. THE ANGELS WERE CREATED IN THE BEGINNING. THE WORD STARTED WORKING IN THE BEGINNING. NOTHING WAS MADE WITHOUT THE WORD.
IN THE BEGINNING WHEN THE WORD COMES OUT FROM GOD, THE BEGINNING OF HIS CREATION, BUT THE WORD ITSELF HAS NO BEGINNING, IT WAS ALWAYS WITH GOD.
I HOPE YOU HAVE RECEIVED SOME MORE LIGHT. PRAISE THE MOST HIGH.

YOURS
WAKEUP.

 

[wakeup]

In the first place Jesus is God, and son of God, NOT god. According to Christian faith the two refer to two differing personalities.

Jesus or 'Jeshua' meaning 'Yahweh saves' in Hebrew, Christ (Gk) or Messiah (Hebrew) the Immanuel meaning God is with us (mat.1:23; Isaiah 7:14) is God and the son of God. Hebrews 3:1; 4:14 show Jesus as a great high priest who make sacrifices for his people and who is Himself a sacrifice.Hebrews 1:2 presents Him as the creator of all things,the perfect representation of God (v3) and the apostle of our confession (3:1).

To answer all the questions: Jesus was at once both fully human and fully God. The questions asked above are just some of many evidences for His humanity. Jesus slept, wept, he angered etc. He did this to associate Himself with humans who He came to deliver. Yet He was God.

GOD IS SITTING ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF GOD,
IF JESUS IS GOD ??????

 

[wakeup]

In the first place Jesus is God, and son of God, NOT god. According to Christian faith the two refer to two differing personalities.

Jesus or 'Jeshua' meaning 'Yahweh saves' in Hebrew, Christ (Gk) or Messiah (Hebrew) the Immanuel meaning God is with us (mat.1:23; Isaiah 7:14) is God and the son of God. Hebrews 3:1; 4:14 show Jesus as a great high priest who make sacrifices for his people and who is Himself a sacrifice.Hebrews 1:2 presents Him as the creator of all things,the perfect representation of God (v3) and the apostle of our confession (3:1).

To answer all the questions: Jesus was at once both fully human and fully God. The questions asked above are just some of many evidences for His humanity. Jesus slept, wept, he angered etc. He did this to associate Himself with humans who He came to deliver. Yet He was God.

JESUS IN THE FLESH HAS ALL THE QUALITIES OF GOD IN HIM, THAT MAKES HIM
THE IMAGE OF GOD. BUT HE IS THE SON OF DAVID, BORN OF A WOMAN,
BORN OF WATER AND BLOOD LIKE US.( FLESH )
BORN OF WATER DOES NOT MEAN BAPTISM.????? THIS IS WHAT ALL THEY
MISUNDERSTOOD.????? ERROR

 

[wakeup]

John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

ONE IN SPIRIT ALL TRUE BELIEVERS ARE ONE WITH JESUS AND GOD.
WE ALL BELIEVE IN THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH.


WAKEUP.

 

[superdave5221]

Ok. Let me ask a question. Should any but God be worshipped? Is it lawful to worship Jesus, if He is not God?

Exodus 34: 14 -for you shall not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God -

Matthew 4: 10 Then Jesus said to him, "Go, Satan ! For it is written, 'YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND SERVE HIM ONLY.' " 11 Then the devil left Him; and behold, angels came and began to minister to Him.

I have included your beloved KJV below as well as the NASB, so you cannot malign my translation.

Hebrews 1: 1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith , And let all the angels of God worship him. (KJV)

Hebrews 1: 1 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. 3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they. 5 For to which of the angels did He ever say, "YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU"? And again, "I WILL BE A FATHER TO HIM AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME"? 6 And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, "AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP (NASB)

 

[Dutch41]

Well Wake up.. I would say wake up..

JOHN1:1 NEVER SAYS IN THE BEGINNING WAS GOD. --FOR GOD HAS NO BEGINNING.
BUT IT SAYS IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, THIS WAS WHEN THE WORD STARTED CREATING. THE ANGELS WERE CREATED IN THE BEGINNING. THE WORD STARTED WORKING IN THE BEGINNING. NOTHING WAS MADE WITHOUT THE WORD.
IN THE BEGINNING WHEN THE WORD COMES OUT FROM GOD, THE BEGINNING OF HIS CREATION, BUT THE WORD ITSELF HAS NO BEGINNING, IT WAS ALWAYS WITH GOD.
I HOPE YOU HAVE RECEIVED SOME MORE LIGHT. PRAISE THE MOST HIGH.

Hmmm interesting what you said.. because The Word created the world everything is created by the Word. Heaven and earth and the angels are all created by the Word.
Jesus is the Alfa He is the begin.. YHWH is the Alfa.. He is the begin.. Jesus is the Omega.. He is the end.. YHWH is the Omega, He is the end.. Jesus is the first.. and the Last..