You are parroting the KJV-only propaganda instead of confirming the truth. Do your homework before you display your ignorance.
Is Knowledge of the Original Languages Necessary for KJV Believers?
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I agree. I'd never heard of the two people mentioned, but I found this about Virginia Mollenkott:
"Mollenkott served as an assistant editor of Seventeenth Century News from 1965 to 1975, and as a stylistic consultant for the New International Version of the Bible for the American Bible Society from 1970 to 1978. When her sexual views were known she was immediately asked to resign."
So she wasn't a translator of the NIV, but a stylistic consultant, and as soon as her views on sex were known she was asked to resign.
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The Trinity = God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. If this is what you were referring to?
This type of thinking is incorrect. He was always God the Father for even Adam and Eve. Men didn’t know about Jesus at that time, but He was there.
They were ALL in the beginning, when God the Father created all things through Jesus.
120??
The Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary. Jesus became God in the flesh, yes.
Yes, the Trinity (explained above); they were in the beginning.
Yes, Paul baptized in the Father, the Son, and the Spirit = The Trinity.
The apostles are our example. You can’t get out of this!
Yes, unfortunately.
The Trinity = God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. If this is what you were referring to?
This type of thinking is incorrect. He was always God the Father for even Adam and Eve. Men didn’t know about Jesus at that time, but He was there.
They were ALL in the beginning, when God the Father created all things through Jesus.
120??
The Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary. Jesus became God in the flesh, yes.
Yes, the Trinity (explained above); they were in the beginning.
Yes, Paul baptized in the Father, the Son, and the Spirit = The Trinity.
The apostles are our example. You can’t get out of this!
Yes, unfortunately.
Christ came to reveal the Father,, the ONE who is the God in the O T is Christ, not the Father
Christ stated no one knows the Father but Him and Moses and the 70 Saw God.
tip of the ice berg -- sorry there is no trinity and a ghost ??? that is Satan showing Christ how gullible humans are
Is Knowledge of the Original Languages Necessary for KJV Believers?
Are KJV only believers in a class all by their lonesomes?
I prefer the ESV although I used to prefer the NIV. Do you consider me to be saved/a believer?
See, we are going to run into a whole planet of trouble if we think only those embedded in the KJ have the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me King James. It has quite a few errors as enthusiasts will hotly deny, but Icarus thought he could fly but was on borrowed wings and did not end up too good due to self assurance while denying facts.
Yeah, sometimes I do like to make obscure comparisons. Sometimes that is what comes to mind for some reason
@Bible_Highlighter,
When I was asked to have dinner at the home of a female acquaintance, she mentioned that she had some interior designers redo her house. Immediately I noticed the stylistic consultants had much to do with the atmosphere of the rooms.
I responded, "To get this look, there's no doubt they must've been gay/homosexual.
That's one thing they have a knack for. "
She showed me a picture of the "couple" and yup they were as queer as Drag Queen Story Hour.
Here's a sample bio from a website that is NIV Positive, Other Wise Christian.
"
Omnigender: A Trans-religious Approach
Published on November 3, 2018
Virginia Mollenkott’s Omnigender: A Trans-religious Approach was the first book on transgender spirituality/theology by a mainstream press. Pilgrim Press (associated with the United Church of Christ) published Omnigender in May 2001.
Previous relevant books included two self-published books by Vanessa Sheridan (The Cross and the Crossdresser and Cross Purposes) and the Fall 1996 issue of Open Hands. However, none of the earlier publications was widely available to the general public.
Omnigender went on to win the 2002 Lambda Literary Award in the Transgender/Bisexual category. A revised and expanded version was released in November 2007.
I cite Omnigender in several different chapters of OtherWise Christian (chapter 6, 9, 17, 22, 24). In particular, I learned about the Edward Kessel article, “A Proposed Biological Interpretation of the Virgin Birth” (Journal of American Scientific Affiliation, 1983) in Omnigender.
Dr. Mollenkott’s Omnigender is an important bridge between lesbian and gay Christian organizing in the 20th century and what has become of transgender organizing in the 21st century, even if only by the timing of its release.
In addition to being the first widely available book on the topic, Dr. Mollenkott already had a long and well-respected history as a lesbian-feminist Christian author (13 books total), beginning with the classic Is the Homosexual My Neighbor? first published with Letha Scanzoni in 1978. The field of transgender studies was still relatively obscure in 2001 and Dr. Mollenkott lending her credibility to the topic was an important turn.
Yet the publication of Omnigender (first edition) remains a highly impactful moment in the “transgender spring.”
Dr. Mollenkott is explicit in her effort to move beyond the binary lesbian-feminist approach that she had navigated in all of her previous books. Her effort to think more deeply about the nature of gender includes introductory treatments drawing on the work of Kate Borstein and Gianna Israel. She also does a survey of gender traditions in other cultures.
Dr. Mollenkott’s proposed omnigendered society seeks to build solidarity between a diverse range of modern identities and experiences including intersex, transsexual, crossdresser, gay, lesbian, bisexual, and “otherwise,” (pp. 40-41, first edition) which she collectively calls “transpeople” (similar to Nancy Wilson in Our Tribe, 1995). The strength of Omnigender is also its weakness—working to connect the dots between so many diverse identities, traditions, and understandings.
In recommending Omnigender, I would advise the reader to remember that this was a ground-breaking book published in an age before the internet made basic information about transgender and intersex experiences accessible–and at a time when so-called LGBT Christian organizations and authors had almost entirely overlooked this topic.
Dr. Mollenkott’s legendary Biblical expertise is deployed in chapters 4 and 5 dealing with Christian and Jewish traditions. She explores the Genesis creation narratives, Deuteronomy 22:5 (cross-dressing), Deuteronomy 23:1 (crushed testicles), and traditions around eunuchs, as well as some of the complexities of mysticism and gender in Christian tradition."
Online publication, Other Wise Christian
When I was asked to have dinner at the home of a female acquaintance, she mentioned that she had some interior designers redo her house. Immediately I noticed the stylistic consultants had much to do with the atmosphere of the rooms.
I responded, "To get this look, there's no doubt they must've been gay/homosexual.
That's one thing they have a knack for. "She showed me a picture of the "couple" and yup they were as queer as Drag Queen Story Hour.
Here's a sample bio from a website that is NIV Positive, Other Wise Christian.
"
Omnigender: A Trans-religious ApproachPublished on November 3, 2018
Virginia Mollenkott’s Omnigender: A Trans-religious Approach was the first book on transgender spirituality/theology by a mainstream press. Pilgrim Press (associated with the United Church of Christ) published Omnigender in May 2001.
Previous relevant books included two self-published books by Vanessa Sheridan (The Cross and the Crossdresser and Cross Purposes) and the Fall 1996 issue of Open Hands. However, none of the earlier publications was widely available to the general public.
Omnigender went on to win the 2002 Lambda Literary Award in the Transgender/Bisexual category. A revised and expanded version was released in November 2007.
I cite Omnigender in several different chapters of OtherWise Christian (chapter 6, 9, 17, 22, 24). In particular, I learned about the Edward Kessel article, “A Proposed Biological Interpretation of the Virgin Birth” (Journal of American Scientific Affiliation, 1983) in Omnigender.
Dr. Mollenkott’s Omnigender is an important bridge between lesbian and gay Christian organizing in the 20th century and what has become of transgender organizing in the 21st century, even if only by the timing of its release.
In addition to being the first widely available book on the topic, Dr. Mollenkott already had a long and well-respected history as a lesbian-feminist Christian author (13 books total), beginning with the classic Is the Homosexual My Neighbor? first published with Letha Scanzoni in 1978. The field of transgender studies was still relatively obscure in 2001 and Dr. Mollenkott lending her credibility to the topic was an important turn.
Yet the publication of Omnigender (first edition) remains a highly impactful moment in the “transgender spring.”
Dr. Mollenkott is explicit in her effort to move beyond the binary lesbian-feminist approach that she had navigated in all of her previous books. Her effort to think more deeply about the nature of gender includes introductory treatments drawing on the work of Kate Borstein and Gianna Israel. She also does a survey of gender traditions in other cultures.
Dr. Mollenkott’s proposed omnigendered society seeks to build solidarity between a diverse range of modern identities and experiences including intersex, transsexual, crossdresser, gay, lesbian, bisexual, and “otherwise,” (pp. 40-41, first edition) which she collectively calls “transpeople” (similar to Nancy Wilson in Our Tribe, 1995). The strength of Omnigender is also its weakness—working to connect the dots between so many diverse identities, traditions, and understandings.
In recommending Omnigender, I would advise the reader to remember that this was a ground-breaking book published in an age before the internet made basic information about transgender and intersex experiences accessible–and at a time when so-called LGBT Christian organizations and authors had almost entirely overlooked this topic.
Dr. Mollenkott’s legendary Biblical expertise is deployed in chapters 4 and 5 dealing with Christian and Jewish traditions. She explores the Genesis creation narratives, Deuteronomy 22:5 (cross-dressing), Deuteronomy 23:1 (crushed testicles), and traditions around eunuchs, as well as some of the complexities of mysticism and gender in Christian tradition."
Online publication, Other Wise Christian
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He came to do the will of His Father.
Incorrect, you’re not understanding basic Scripture.
-"but He said to them, "I must preach the kingdom of God to the other cities also, because for this purpose I have been sent.""
Luke 4:43 NKJV
The Father sent His Son into the world to be a Savior. Jesus did many miraculous miracles via the Holy Spirit.
“how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.”
Acts 10:38 NKJV
The Trinity is reality!
why is there a Father and a Son??
this is a family
who, I will use the word, invented, the Family? God.
Why?
do you personally want to live forever in a corporation?
How about a partnership?
How about a commune?
God chose to dwell for ever in a family situation.
Relationships are best in a family setting.
What is the highest form of relationship in a family?
Husband and wife --- and is Jesus Christ returning to marry His Bride?
explain how a ghost or a spirit fits in the above.
While I would love to jump right in and accommodate you, that would be a significant amount of work, and I have other projects and obligations pulling at my time right now. That said, I do plan at some point to post some of my key articles, or at least sections of my write-ups, at Textus-Receptus.com, which is Nick Sayers' website. Nick Sayers, who speaks on YouTube on his channel Revolution Debates, recently invited me to contribute articles to his site under my internet name. This is the link entry for me (where the articles will appear once I get time to put them up):
Bible Highlighter - Textus Receptus
textus-receptus.com
I will save your post to a Google document. So if I ever get the time to add my material at Textus-Receptus.com, which would mostly be in plain text, and I happen to remember this conversation by some stray-cat-reason, I will send you a reminder to check out Nicks site. No guarantees on that, though. Life is busy, and memory is a fickle thing. But if it comes back to me, I will follow through.
May God bless you.
Side Note:
In the meantime, you can check out www.KJVCompare.com.
While I do not agree with all the changes pointed out there (because the user is not basing every choice on original language word studies), there are a ton of differences recorded at this site.
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Nick Sayers has a really good video on her.@Bible_Highlighter,
When I was asked to have dinner at the home of a female acquaintance, she mentioned that she had some interior designers redo her house. Immediately I noticed the stylistic consultants had much to do with the atmosphere of the rooms.
I responded, "To get this look, there's no doubt they must've been gay/homosexual.
She showed me a picture of the "couple" and yup they were as queer as Drag Queen Story Hour.
Here's a sample bio from a website that is NIV Positive, Other Wise Christian.
"
Published on November 3, 2018
Virginia Mollenkott’s Omnigender: A Trans-religious Approach was the first book on transgender spirituality/theology by a mainstream press. Pilgrim Press (associated with the United Church of Christ) published Omnigender in May 2001.
Previous relevant books included two self-published books by Vanessa Sheridan (The Cross and the Crossdresser and Cross Purposes) and the Fall 1996 issue of Open Hands. However, none of the earlier publications was widely available to the general public.
Omnigender went on to win the 2002 Lambda Literary Award in the Transgender/Bisexual category. A revised and expanded version was released in November 2007.
I cite Omnigender in several different chapters of OtherWise Christian (chapter 6, 9, 17, 22, 24). In particular, I learned about the Edward Kessel article, “A Proposed Biological Interpretation of the Virgin Birth” (Journal of American Scientific Affiliation, 1983) in Omnigender.
Dr. Mollenkott’s Omnigender is an important bridge between lesbian and gay Christian organizing in the 20th century and what has become of transgender organizing in the 21st century, even if only by the timing of its release.
In addition to being the first widely available book on the topic, Dr. Mollenkott already had a long and well-respected history as a lesbian-feminist Christian author (13 books total), beginning with the classic Is the Homosexual My Neighbor? first published with Letha Scanzoni in 1978. The field of transgender studies was still relatively obscure in 2001 and Dr. Mollenkott lending her credibility to the topic was an important turn.
Yet the publication of Omnigender (first edition) remains a highly impactful moment in the “transgender spring.”
Dr. Mollenkott is explicit in her effort to move beyond the binary lesbian-feminist approach that she had navigated in all of her previous books. Her effort to think more deeply about the nature of gender includes introductory treatments drawing on the work of Kate Borstein and Gianna Israel. She also does a survey of gender traditions in other cultures.
Dr. Mollenkott’s proposed omnigendered society seeks to build solidarity between a diverse range of modern identities and experiences including intersex, transsexual, crossdresser, gay, lesbian, bisexual, and “otherwise,” (pp. 40-41, first edition) which she collectively calls “transpeople” (similar to Nancy Wilson in Our Tribe, 1995). The strength of Omnigender is also its weakness—working to connect the dots between so many diverse identities, traditions, and understandings.
In recommending Omnigender, I would advise the reader to remember that this was a ground-breaking book published in an age before the internet made basic information about transgender and intersex experiences accessible–and at a time when so-called LGBT Christian organizations and authors had almost entirely overlooked this topic.
Dr. Mollenkott’s legendary Biblical expertise is deployed in chapters 4 and 5 dealing with Christian and Jewish traditions. She explores the Genesis creation narratives, Deuteronomy 22:5 (cross-dressing), Deuteronomy 23:1 (crushed testicles), and traditions around eunuchs, as well as some of the complexities of mysticism and gender in Christian tradition."
Online publication, Other Wise Christian
The nay sayers need to watch Nick's video. It's worse than they think.
Of course, many Modern Bible believers who attack the TR/KJV probably will never watch this video because they do not really want to know about such things.
I suppose, ignorance is bliss for them.
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Well, my opponent in my debate is a KJV believer like me. We both believe the Pure Cambridge Edition KJV is God's word today in English. But he does not believe like me that the original languages are necessary for KJV believers to learn. That is the focus of the debate, that is provided here via YouTube.Is Knowledge of the Original Languages Necessary for KJV Believers?
Are KJV only believers in a class all by their lonesomes?
I prefer the ESV although I used to prefer the NIV. Do you consider me to be saved/a believer?
See, we are going to run into a whole planet of trouble if we think only those embedded in the KJ have the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me King James. It has quite a few errors as enthusiasts will hotly deny, but Icarus thought he could fly but was on borrowed wings and did not end up too good due to self assurance while denying facts.
Yeah, sometimes I do like to make obscure comparisons. Sometimes that is what comes to mind for some reason
Also, I believe that Modern Bible believers who study the original languages go by modern lexicons that have expanded redefinitions with some of them defending the corrupt Modern Bibles. So when a TR/KJV does true and honest original language word studies, I would encourage them to use pre-1700s lexicons that are not a by-product of discussions from German Rationalists.
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That's an extremely minor point in this discussion.
Personally, it doesn't bother me. I am sure there are things you do on a forum that others do not like.
We cannot please everyone when we post online.
It's the nature of different opinions, tastes, etc.
Now, some things certain Christians post online are unacceptable of course.
This would be if they posted something really immoral or sinful without them realizing it.
That would be a different story.
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IMO, your giant images are right in line with your KJV only enthusiasm. Funny how that works.
Just points from that narrow path of yours. Not gonna state who dragged you into it? Would be informative
Thank you.
I do agree with your point and that's why I addressed you rather than anyone beyond convincing.
I've been listening to the video and waiting for the topic. I noticed that it's over 5 hours long. Can you get me close to the time stamp or neighborhood?
I really was not planning for the image to be large actually. It just happened that way.
But you can see the text more clearly for those who have poor eyesight or for those who are on mobile phone.
As for your claim "your KJV only enthusiasm":
Actually, my position is that the KJV is my text in English that is without error, but I also believe in complimenting those words with its underlying Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek words that sometimes add additional deeper layers of meaning. These additional layers of meaning in the original languages do not correct the KJV but merely compliments it.
So in the strictest sense, I am not technically KJV-only because I believe we must also look to the underlying original language words that underlie the KJV, as well (If we have such tools or resources, etc.). More accurately, I am KJV anchored in its underlying Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek.
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Everything Nick says in this video is really good.
With Nick's long videos, I just watch them in parts over the course of a week or two if it is a topic I find interesting.
Sometimes I just plug Nick in as audio only when I am doing things around the house.
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