Is Knowledge of the Original Languages Necessary for KJV Believers?

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Buddy look. All forms of texts have a mind behind them. We can test to see what would be an obvious corruption by looking at patterns of bad changes over and over and over and over and over and over again. That is what my one writeup has demonstrated clearly (although the writeup is under revision to match it up with the original languages with the older lexicons). Texts do not just appear out of thin air. There is a mind at work that is behind those words. When we see bad doctrines that fits a pattern (just like detectives see patterns to solve various crimes), we are led to the obvious conclusion that one text is pure and the other is corrupt. Well, that is if you believe verses like Psalms 12:6-7, etcetera. If not, then this whole convo is going to go in one ear and out the other. It would be as if I am speaking a foreign language to you. If you and your gang are promoting corrupted versions of God's words (which I believe you are), then there is a dark spirit at work that is blinding you to seeing the promises of God in Scripture in the purity and preservation of His words. Those verses do not live on the inside of you and so you will fight against them. We see warnings of not hearing God in Scripture. The man of God who was killed by a lion because he did not listen to God but he listened to a man instead. That's how I see your movement. You listen to men and scholars and not what God's word actually says when it comes to purity and preservation of his own words. This is not an argument I am attempting to win with you here. Only God can open your eyes to the truth on such verses. If you reject them, well, you will have to explain to the Lord Jesus why you did so. It's just that simple.


Side Note:

Are there accidental slips that may have happened in the biblical text? Yeah, I am sure. But then you act like there is no intentional bad changes in the Bible throughout history, though. If you look at the patterns as I was alluding to before, it doesn't really take a rocket scientist to figure it out.


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I think you're proving my point rather than refuting it.

I have no problem acknowledging that intentions, doctrines, and biases can influence scribes, translators, scholars, and manuscript traditions.
Human beings are involved in the process, and human beings bring assumptions with them.
The question is whether those assumptions can be demonstrated from the text or merely asserted.

For example, you appeal to Psalm 12:6-7 as a promise of perfect textual preservation.
Others argue the immediate context refers to God's preservation of His people mentioned in verse 5 rather than the words themselves.
Simply claiming one interpretation is obvious does not make it so.
The text still has to be examined in context.

Likewise, when you say one manuscript tradition is pure and another corrupt because of doctrinal patterns, you've moved beyond textual evidence and into a theory of transmission.
That theory may be right or wrong, but it is still a framework being brought to the evidence.
The very thing you're accusing others of doing, you're doing as well.

Where I continue to disagree is when disagreement is explained primarily by spiritual blindness.
If a brother believes a different textual tradition is better supported by the manuscript evidence, that does not automatically mean he is rejecting God's promises.
It means he interprets those promises differently.

So I return to the same question: Can the corruption be demonstrated from the text, the manuscripts, and the evidence itself?
If it can, let the evidence stand.
If it requires first assuming that one tradition is pure and all others are corrupt, then the conclusion is already built into the premise. That is the point I have been trying to make all along.
 
Actually, this is what the Modern Bible Movement does.
There are so many deceptions within this movement, you could do a whole volume set Encyclopedia series on it.
Then again, those within this movement and who are addicted like a drug addict to chop up the Bible in their own minds cannot see the forest for the trees because of their addiction. When a person gets a rush out of slicing and dicing God's holy words, they cannot help themselves. The lust of mutilating and twisting the Scriptures becomes pleasurable to them. This is why we are in the last days. If you don't believe just search AI and ask for links. Say you want an answer from a TR/KJV perspective and see how it stands under scrutiny from the Critical Text side. But will you do that? It depends on your addiction or how far deep in you are.
All we are left with is to lean upon our own understanding?

Proverbs 3:5-6​

Trust in the Lord with all your heart​
and lean not on your own understanding;​
in all your ways submit to him,​
and he will make your paths straight.​

God made my path straight after graduating three years of Bible college.
Straight to the one who was to become my pastor teacher.

My pastor taught six nights a week.
Made all his recorded exegeted messages (given before his congregation) available free of charge.

A pastor who is a Greek and Hebrew scholar.
Who taught history on a PhD level.

Was invited as a guest speaker by Christian members of the student body at MIT.
And, also at other universities by invitation.

One who despised all the weak and misleading teachings being offered today in many churches.

God will always provide for those who painfully desire what is accurate and sound doctrine.
Most teachers fail and, instead, will provide only what they believe people want to hear.

For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. ​
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great ​
number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.​
​
2 Timothy 4:3​
 
I think you're proving my point rather than refuting it.

I have no problem acknowledging that intentions, doctrines, and biases can influence scribes, translators, scholars, and manuscript traditions.
Human beings are involved in the process, and human beings bring assumptions with them.
The question is whether those assumptions can be demonstrated from the text or merely asserted.

For example, you appeal to Psalm 12:6-7 as a promise of perfect textual preservation.
Others argue the immediate context refers to God's preservation of His people mentioned in verse 5 rather than the words themselves.
Simply claiming one interpretation is obvious does not make it so.
The text still has to be examined in context.

Likewise, when you say one manuscript tradition is pure and another corrupt because of doctrinal patterns, you've moved beyond textual evidence and into a theory of transmission.
That theory may be right or wrong, but it is still a framework being brought to the evidence.
The very thing you're accusing others of doing, you're doing as well.

Where I continue to disagree is when disagreement is explained primarily by spiritual blindness.
If a brother believes a different textual tradition is better supported by the manuscript evidence, that does not automatically mean he is rejecting God's promises.
It means he interprets those promises differently.

So I return to the same question: Can the corruption be demonstrated from the text, the manuscripts, and the evidence itself?
If it can, let the evidence stand.
If it requires first assuming that one tradition is pure and all others are corrupt, then the conclusion is already built into the premise. That is the point I have been trying to make all along.
You make it all about man when the Bible itself says all Scripture is given by inspiration of God.
So you remove God out of the equation and all your left with is a book of dead words from men that cannot save you.
How stupid is that.
I know God spoke to me by his words that had power!!!
They were not lifeless words that did not touch my heart that were holy words.
You do know that Scripture is called Holy in the Bible right?
It's also called the Scripture of Truth, too.
But its just a dead man text written by men to you?
Okay. Have fun with that.


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You make it all about man when the Bible itself says all Scripture is given by inspiration of God.
So you remove God out of the equation and all your left with is a book of dead words from men that cannot save you.
How stupid is that.
I know God spoke to me by his words that had power!!!
They were not lifeless words that did not touch my heart that were holy words.
You do know that Scripture is called Holy in the Bible right?
It's also called the Scripture of Truth, too.
But its just a dead man text written by men to you?
Okay. Have fun with that.


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With respect, you've turned my argument into something I never said.

I have not argued that Scripture is "just a dead man text written by men." Scripture itself says: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God" (2 Tim. 3:16).
We are in complete agreement there.

The question is not whether God inspired Scripture.
The question is whether God also inspired every scribe, copyist, translator, textual critic, and manuscript tradition in exactly the same way.
Those are two very different claims.

When I ask for textual evidence, I am not removing God from the equation.
I am doing exactly what believers have always done: "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good" (1 Thess. 5:21).
If a manuscript reading is corrupt, then demonstrate the corruption from the manuscripts, the context, and the evidence.
Simply asserting that those who disagree are spiritually blind does not establish the case.

I fully believe God speaks through His Word.
His Word has transformed countless lives, including my own.
But the fact that God uses Scripture powerfully does not tell us which manuscript family is correct at every disputed reading.
That still requires careful examination.

So the issue is not whether Scripture is holy, inspired, and powerful. We both affirm that.
The issue is whether your conclusions about preservation and textual history can be demonstrated from Scripture and the evidence, rather than assumed beforehand and then read back into the discussion.
That remains the point under debate.
 
All we are left with is to lean upon our own understanding?

Proverbs 3:5-6​

Trust in the Lord with all your heart​
and lean not on your own understanding;​
in all your ways submit to him,​
and he will make your paths straight.​

God made my path straight after graduating three years of Bible college.
Straight to the one who was to become my pastor teacher.

My pastor taught six nights a week.
Made all his recorded exegeted messages (given before his congregation) available free of charge.

A pastor who is a Greek and Hebrew scholar.
Who taught history on a PhD level.

Was invited as a guest speaker by Christian members of the student body at MIT.
And, also at other universities by invitation.

One who despised all the weak and misleading teachings being offered today in many churches.

God will always provide for those who painfully desire what is accurate and sound doctrine.
Most teachers fail and, instead, will provide only what they believe people want to hear.

For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. ​
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great ​
number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.​
​
2 Timothy 4:3​
Stop talking about your pastor and talk about the word of God and the Lord.
You are also quoting a passage that has a bad translation choice, as well. While we are to obey the Lord, this passage is not saying that in this instance. It is saying in all our ways, "know" him in the Hebrew. The KJV says "acknowledge" him which is an archaic word form of that idea.


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With respect, you've turned my argument into something I never said.

I have not argued that Scripture is "just a dead man text written by men." Scripture itself says: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God" (2 Tim. 3:16).
We are in complete agreement there.

The question is not whether God inspired Scripture.
The question is whether God also inspired every scribe, copyist, translator, textual critic, and manuscript tradition in exactly the same way.
Those are two very different claims.

When I ask for textual evidence, I am not removing God from the equation.
I am doing exactly what believers have always done: "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good" (1 Thess. 5:21).
If a manuscript reading is corrupt, then demonstrate the corruption from the manuscripts, the context, and the evidence.
Simply asserting that those who disagree are spiritually blind does not establish the case.

I fully believe God speaks through His Word.
His Word has transformed countless lives, including my own.
But the fact that God uses Scripture powerfully does not tell us which manuscript family is correct at every disputed reading.
That still requires careful examination.

So the issue is not whether Scripture is holy, inspired, and powerful. We both affirm that.
The issue is whether your conclusions about preservation and textual history can be demonstrated from Scripture and the evidence, rather than assumed beforehand and then read back into the discussion.
That remains the point under debate.
You cannot point to the divinely perfect inspired words of God because you don't know where they are all at between two covers.
You got dead words on a page from men.
At least that is what the so called textual science in Bible schools is teaching.


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Stop talking about your pastor and talk about the word of God and the Lord.
You are also quoting a passage that has a bad translation choice, as well. While we are to obey the Lord, this passage is not saying that in this instance. It is saying in all our ways, "know" him in the Hebrew. The KJV says "acknowledge" him which is an archaic word form of that idea.


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I would simply ask: when two sincere believers both claim Proverbs 3:5-6 for their position, how do we determine who is correct?
By appealing to a pastor's credentials, or by returning again and again to the text itself and testing every human teacher by the Word of God?
Scripture gives only one answer to that question.
 
So are you aware that your movement is traced to Westcott and Hort ultimately?
Do you care that they fellowedshipped with a Unitarian?
Are you aware that their pet Unitarian (George Vance Smith) wrote a book saying theologically doctrines were changed in the Revised Version? He wrote about how those changes favored his Unitarianism (Which pleased him).

Are you aware of Carlo Maria Martini?
Are you aware that the 27th edition of Nestle and Aland says it was supervised by the Vatican?
Are you aware of the 25 Catholic ideas that exist in Modern Bibles that have grown since the Westcott and Hort's Revised Version?
What about stupid new ECM reading that has changed UBS6 edition to say that Jesus has become the I AM?
Do you just bury your head in the sand to such nonsense?
Why does Vaticanus and Sinaiticus say that Jesus was stabbed by a spear BEFORE He gave up His spirit?
Our Greek text (TR) says that Jesus BY HIMSELF purged us of our sins.
Yet, your Vaticanus does not say that.
There is no other doctrine or words like that exactly, either.
Is this just baby talk stuff?

Knowing all that still does not get us to an accurate translation.
Does it?

What we need is to find and learn what is right.
Not about what is being done wrong.

Professor Stan Ashby was associated with Harvard during WW2 as a translator for the military.
While in Bible college, he recommended RB Thieme Jr. to me one night before church service.
He gave RB Thieme Jr. credit for the excellent message series I had just heard from Professor Ashby.

Billy Graham once approached R.B. Thieme to ask him to privately mentor him.
Both Chuck Swindoll and Hal Lindsay began in pews under the pastorship of RBT.

Despite it being so bad today?
God is still going to provide a few good teachers that can bring believers to full maturity in Christ.

Take it or leave it.
 
You cannot point to the divinely perfect inspired words of God because you don't know where they are all at between two covers.
You got dead words on a page from men.
At least that is what the so called textual science in Bible schools is teaching.


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You keep framing the issue as though the only alternatives are either:
(1) God perfectly preserved His words in one specific manuscript tradition, or
(2) Scripture is merely "dead words from men."
But that is a false dilemma.

I believe Scripture is inspired, holy, powerful, living, and able to save.
None of that requires me to believe that every question of textual transmission has already been settled in the way you propose.

The apostles never argued: "You know this is God's Word because you possess a perfectly preserved manuscript tradition."
They argued: "Thus saith the Lord."
The authority rested in God's Word itself.

I also think you're confusing the inspiration of the original writings with the process by which copies were transmitted.
Scripture explicitly teaches the first.
It does not explicitly teach the second in the manner you're asserting.

Most importantly, personal experience cannot settle the issue.
I do not doubt that God has spoken to you through Scripture.
He has spoken to countless believers through the KJV, NKJV, Geneva Bible, Luther Bible, and many other translations.
The fact that God's Word is powerful does not prove one specific textual theory.

So I return to the same question: can your conclusions about preservation be demonstrated from Scripture itself, or must they first be assumed and then used to evaluate the evidence?
That remains the central point under discussion.
 
Yes, I'm aware of the KJV.
I don't know what a KJV believer is.
There are several different types of KJV Believers.

1. KJV-English only believers who believe the KJV was re-inspired in translation.
2. KJV English only believers who believe the KJV was re-inspired in translation and who think it can correct the Hebrew and Greek.
3. KJV-English only believers who see the originals were inspired and that it carries inspiration into English via through preservation.
4. KJV believers who see the standardized KJV as a providential translation without error, and yet they believe the underlying Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek of the KJV as the actual inspired words of God.
5. KJV Preferred believers who think all Bibles have errors including the KJV, but they prefer the KJV because they believe is the most accurate translation (although not perfect or without error).

Only numbers 1-3 are truly KJV-only.
Number 4 is my position.
Number 5 type believers can lean more towards defending the TR/KJV or they may lean more in attacking it and or others who believe in it. I seen it go both ways sometimes.



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Stop talking about your pastor and talk about the word of God and the Lord.
You are also quoting a passage that has a bad translation choice, as well. While we are to obey the Lord, this passage is not saying that in this instance. It is saying in all our ways, "know" him in the Hebrew. The KJV says "acknowledge" him which is an archaic word form of that idea.

If you knew what it is you are asking for?
It would require hours to do it justice.
Not some post in a forum.

I am trying to point you to where you can sit down.
Takes notes.
And learn something with depth and detail.

https://rbthieme.org/bible-studies/available-to-order

There is nothing to lose.

https://rbthieme.org/about-us/grace-financial-policy

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Knowing all that still does not get us to an accurate translation.
Does it?

What we need is to find and learn what is right.
Not about what is being done wrong.

Professor Stan Ashby was associated with Harvard during WW2 as a translator for the military.
While in Bible college, he recommended RB Thieme Jr. to me one night before church service.
He gave RB Thieme Jr. credit for the excellent message series I had just heard from Professor Ashby.

Billy Graham once approached R.B. Thieme to ask him to privately mentor him.
Both Chuck Swindoll and Hal Lindsay began in pews under the pastorship of RBT.

Despite it being so bad today?
God is still going to provide a few good teachers that can bring believers to full maturity in Christ.

Take it or leave it.
You refer to liberal men here.
Billy was compromised by the Catholic church for beginners.
Also, what do you make of the origins of the Modern Bible Movement in comparison to the TR/KJV Movement?
I see one riding on the heels of the Reformation and the other as arising out of German Rationalism.
Have you ever done a deep dive into these two major Bible lines before?
If not, you should do so in an unbiased way.



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If you knew what it is you are asking for?
It would require hours to do it justice.
Not some post in a forum.

I am trying to point you to where you can sit down.
Takes notes.
And learn something with depth and detail.

https://rbthieme.org/bible-studies/available-to-order

There is nothing to lose.

https://rbthieme.org/about-us/grace-financial-policy

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Look. I already exposed this guy and his false beliefs, and your still pushing his nonsense here.
Please stop. I have no interest. Just read your Bible and study it yourself.

You also are not addressing the points about the two different major Bible lines, either.




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You refer to liberal men here.
Billy was compromised by the Catholic church for beginners.
Also, what do you make of the origins of the Modern Bible Movement in comparison to the TR/KJV Movement?
I see one riding on the heels of the Reformation and the other as arising out of German Rationalism.
Have you ever done a deep dive into these two major Bible lines before?
If not, you should do so in an unbiased way.

And, uh...
In another day you could have told me Paul advocated animal sacrifices.

Wake up.
Citing only negatives cannot produce the positive.
 
Look. I already exposed this guy and his false beliefs, and your still pushing his nonsense here.
Please stop. I have no interest. Just read your Bible and study it yourself.

You also are not addressing the points about the two different major Bible lines, either.

Fine with me.

You only want to debate and present your head knowledge.
 
I would simply ask: when two sincere believers both claim Proverbs 3:5-6 for their position, how do we determine who is correct?
By appealing to a pastor's credentials, or by returning again and again to the text itself and testing every human teacher by the Word of God?
Scripture gives only one answer to that question.
How?

What do you think would stand up under scrutiny come Judgment Day?

What if getting the words of Proverbs 3:5-6 correct was a matter of life and death this very day?

Granted, I am not saying that such a thing is going to happen. I am speaking hypothetically. I am simply stressing the importance of getting those words correct right now.

Or what if you were offered a million dollars or more to arrive at the correct understanding of Proverbs 3:5-6?

Would you not spend an entire week, if you were allowed, using various AI programs and pouring over every Hebrew lexicon, every relevant early Jewish or Christian writer, and every historical source you could get your hands on?

Would you not investigate whether the meanings of certain Hebrew words were later distorted or reinterpreted by modern scholars, later lexicons, or those influenced by postmodern thinking?

Would you not search for ancient Hebrew writings outside of Scripture, if available, to examine how those same words were used? Would you not obtain screenshots of the original sources and compare them carefully to determine which interpretation was correct? Would you not examine the grammar, historical usage, and definitions supplied by older authorities rather than simply accepting the conclusions of modern scholars?

I believe that if you genuinely followed such a course of investigation, you would eventually come out on the side of the Received Text and the KJV.

I say this because my own research has revealed a recurring pattern of bad doctrines and questionable translation choices within the Modern Bible Movement.

Now, imagine that receiving that million dollars depended upon your ability to demonstrate, with actual historical evidence, when a particular interpretation or translation of a biblical word first appeared, how its meaning was understood before that time, and whether a later change in interpretation was later adopted and wrongfully justified.

What if you could not demonstrate these things? What if you could not provide the historical documentation necessary to establish the correct truth that should be obvious?

You would not receive the money.

And that is precisely the problem I see with your approach. You don't have the precise words of God and yet you act as if you are able to figure that out when the next guy who thinks like you will disagree with you about those precise words. True preservation demands that God has given us a standard of a perfect set of his words. If not, then the jots and tittles that Jesus speaks about have failed us. However, that is not possible. The words of Jesus will last perfectly forever long after both of our bodies have turned into dust.

You may sincerely believe that your interpretation is correct, but sincerity alone does not establish the meaning of a biblical word.

In my opinion, the training you have received has been insufficient because it has encouraged an approach to Scripture that treats the Bible almost like a piece of meat to be chopped up and divided according to the conclusions of modern scholarship, rather than carefully examining the words as they were historically understood and received.

The question is not merely whether you are willing to return to the text. The question is whether you are willing to investigate the actual words of that text thoroughly enough to discover whether what you have been taught about them is correct.



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I see. You have an unbiased biased perspective.
I am biased towards the Bible.
Jesus talks about jots and tittles and so He obviously cared about the finer details of His own words.
Jots and tittles are marks that make up the Hebrew letters.
So if we are to be consistent with God's character here, He would provide for us today a set of His words that we can 100% trust.
If this is not the case, then one does not believe ALL of the Jesus' words.
This is what this is really about.
Yet, men want to change the word of God and say it has errors.
The Bible even says that Scripture is holy.
Do you believe that?


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How?

What do you think would stand up under scrutiny come Judgment Day?

What if getting the words of Proverbs 3:5-6 correct was a matter of life and death this very day?

Granted, I am not saying that such a thing is going to happen. I am speaking hypothetically. I am simply stressing the importance of getting those words correct right now.

Or what if you were offered a million dollars or more to arrive at the correct understanding of Proverbs 3:5-6?

Would you not spend an entire week, if you were allowed, using various AI programs and pouring over every Hebrew lexicon, every relevant early Jewish or Christian writer, and every historical source you could get your hands on?

Would you not investigate whether the meanings of certain Hebrew words were later distorted or reinterpreted by modern scholars, later lexicons, or those influenced by postmodern thinking?

Would you not search for ancient Hebrew writings outside of Scripture, if available, to examine how those same words were used? Would you not obtain screenshots of the original sources and compare them carefully to determine which interpretation was correct? Would you not examine the grammar, historical usage, and definitions supplied by older authorities rather than simply accepting the conclusions of modern scholars?

I believe that if you genuinely followed such a course of investigation, you would eventually come out on the side of the Received Text and the KJV.

I say this because my own research has revealed a recurring pattern of bad doctrines and questionable translation choices within the Modern Bible Movement.

Now, imagine that receiving that million dollars depended upon your ability to demonstrate, with actual historical evidence, when a particular interpretation or translation of a biblical word first appeared, how its meaning was understood before that time, and whether a later change in interpretation was later adopted and wrongfully justified.

What if you could not demonstrate these things? What if you could not provide the historical documentation necessary to establish the correct truth that should be obvious?

You would not receive the money.

And that is precisely the problem I see with your approach. You don't have the precise words of God and yet you act as if you are able to figure that out when the next guy who thinks like you will disagree with you about those precise words. True preservation demands that God has given us a standard of a perfect set of his words. If not then the jots and tittles that Jesus speaks about have failed us. However, that is not possible. The words of Jesus will last perfectly forever long after both of our bodies have turned into dust.

You may sincerely believe that your interpretation is correct, but sincerity alone does not establish the meaning of a biblical word.

In my opinion, the training you have received has been insufficient because it has encouraged an approach to Scripture that treats the Bible almost like a piece of meat to be chopped up and divided according to the conclusions of modern scholarship, rather than carefully examining the words as they were historically understood and received.

The question is not merely whether you are willing to return to the text. The question is whether you are willing to investigate the actual words of that text thoroughly enough to discover whether what you have been taught about them is correct.



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If getting Proverbs 3:5-6 correct were a matter of life and death, I would absolutely study the Hebrew text, compare usages, examine lexicons, investigate historical sources, and test every interpretation I could find.

But notice what follows from that admission.

If I must compare sources, examine evidence, weigh arguments, evaluate lexicons, and test interpretations, then I am doing the very thing I've been talking about all along.
I'm examining evidence, not merely assuming the conclusion beforehand.

The question is not whether we should study deeply. We should.

The question is whether the conclusion is established before the investigation begins.

You seem to be arguing:
God perfectly preserved His words.
Therefore there must be a single perfect textual standard.
Therefore the Received Text/KJV tradition is that standard.
The point under debate is step three.

I agree God preserved His Word.
I agree Christ's words will never pass away.
I agree not one jot or tittle shall fail.

What I continue to ask is: Where does Scripture identify the specific manuscript tradition or translation that serves as that final standard?
That is the question.

You accuse me of not knowing where God's perfect words are between two covers.
I would simply observe that believers who affirm perfect preservation have disagreed for centuries about which set of words that is. The disagreement itself proves the answer is not as self-evident as you suggest.

Most importantly, I think you're creating another false dilemma: Either the KJV/Received Text is the final standard, or all we have are dead words from men.
I reject both halves of that equation.

Scripture is living and powerful because God inspired it, not because I have perfectly solved every question of textual history.
The Bereans were commended for searching the Scriptures, not because they already possessed a completed theory of manuscript transmission.

So I come back once again to the same point: Can the case for a particular textual tradition be demonstrated from the text, the manuscripts, and the historical evidence?
If it can, let the evidence speak.

But if the conclusion must be assumed first and every piece of evidence interpreted through that assumption, then what is being defended is not merely the text of Scripture, but a particular theory about how God must have preserved it.
That distinction is the heart of our disagreement.
 
Fine with me.

You only want to debate and present your head knowledge.
I believe I have gained truths in Scripture that were spiritual and not something that man has taught me.
So no, I don't believe it is all man made teachings or just my will alone that is able to force meaning out of the Bible.
However, we cannot make the Bible say what we desire it to say if there is no words there that teach that particular belief.
The guy you are promoting has beliefs that are not in the actual biblical text.



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