Is Roman Catholicism Evil?

[Endoscopy]

I believe our Father in heaven makes these distinctions, not a denomination formed by the traditions of men.

Also, God decides who the saints are and all will be revealed in His time not in the ¨Vatican or by a man or group of men. This is a practice most apostetic and diabolical.

It is obvious that you don't understand what the Apostles Creed is. During the 200s heresies and differences of opinion were taking place and the early church elders created the Roman Creed to fight the heresies. By 390 the elders felt it needed upgrading so they created the Apostles Creed. It is a statement of doctrine about the minimum a person must believe to be a Christian. All issues outside of it was considered agree to disagree. This pattern comes down today in all of the different gospel preaching denominations The creed contains the doctrine all Christians must believe. I suggest you read it as a statement of doctrine. All denominations have an online statements of doctrine. Presbyterian PCA has the Heidelberg Catechism. Reformed Church in America adds to this the Canons of Dort. Go to any gospel preaching denominations web site and most likely those that used to be and you will find reference to their doctrinal statements. Quit trying to make it something different than a statement of doctrine that should also be included in the doctrinal statements of present day gospel preaching churches.

Before condemning it read it and tell this site where it is in error.

 

[Brian_Graham]

But teaching people that they can earn their way to heaven with good deeds is demonic, since the Gospel says otherwise.

Nehemiah6:

Oops, it seems you are stuck way in the past -- around the time of the Reformation (1517 to 1648). Time to do some research so you can try to remain up to date (at least to the 20th century). Let me help.

The "Joint Declaration On The Doctrine Of Justification" was signed by the Lutheran World Federation and the Catholic Church on 31 October 1999. On 23 July 2006, the World Methodist Conference signed that same declaration. It said: "15. In faith we together hold the conviction that justification is the work of the triune God. The Father sent his Son into the world to save sinners. ... 16. All people are called by God to salvation in Christ. Through Christ alone are we justified, when we receive this salvation in faith. ... 25. We confess together that sinners are justified by faith in the saving action of God in Christ. By the action of the Holy Spirit in baptism, they are granted the gift of salvation, which lays the basis for the whole Christian life. They place their trust in God's gracious promise by justifying faith, which includes hope in God and love for him. ... 26. According to Lutheran understanding, God justifies sinners in faith alone (sola fide). In faith they place their trust wholly in their Creator and Redeemer and thus live in communion with him. God himself effects faith as he brings forth such trust by his creative word. ... In the doctrine of 'justification by faith alone', a distinction but not a separation is made between justification itself and the renewal of one's way of life that necessarily follows from justification and without which faith does not exist."

In other words, the Catholic Church, the Lutheran World Federation, and the World Methodist Conference agree that the faithful are justified by faith -- alone, but they also acknowledge that good works are a product of and an affirmation of that faith. Just in case you were unaware, Lutheranism has its roots in the work of Martin Luther, who sought to reform the Western Church to what he considered a more biblical foundation (that means it is Protestant).

You can find the full text of the declaration at: < http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/documents/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_31101999_cath-luth-joint-declaration_en.html >

 

[jaybird88]

Not, RCC God is Muslim God, that is what her lumen gentium say, Christian God, is not Muslim God so catholic Jesus is not Christian Jesus.

How do you know this? Did you speak with this Muslim G-D?

 

[garee]

It is obvious that you don't understand what the Apostles Creed is. During the 200s heresies and differences of opinion were taking place and the early church elders created the Roman Creed to fight the heresies. By 390 the elders felt it needed upgrading so they created the Apostles Creed. It is a statement of doctrine about the minimum a person must believe to be a Christian. All issues outside of it was considered agree to disagree. This pattern comes down today in all of the different gospel preaching denominations The creed contains the doctrine all Christians must believe. I suggest you read it as a statement of doctrine. All denominations have an online statements of doctrine. Presbyterian PCA has the Heidelberg Catechism. Reformed Church in America adds to this the Canons of Dort. Go to any gospel preaching denominations web site and most likely those that used to be and you will find reference to their doctrinal statements. Quit trying to make it something different than a statement of doctrine that should also be included in the doctrinal statements of present day gospel preaching churches.

Before condemning it read it and tell this site where it is in error.

Creeds are private interpretations of men or heresies as to their opinion of what they personally think the Spirit of Christ is saying to the churches.
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The Catholics during the fifteenth century reformation were using their own heresies as the master to fight heresies making theirs the standard that rose above that which is written just as the Nicolaitanes
They as heresies or opinions are not a sure foundation that can be used believe God. ​

The Nicolaitanes left their first love God as that which by they gave up their faith through his word the one media by which we can believe God not seen . In effect he was saying return to the first love the hearing of faith when God personally gave ears to hear what the Spirit is saying. ​

In first John 2:27-28 the Holy Spirit gives us a warning to those (anti -christs) who do say we must hear after the teaching of men seen, like Nicole, and not the Holy Spirit not seen. It was from that point they fell away. God was calling those back that did have the proper order of faith to comfort/repent oneself and do the first works, believe God not seen, and not men seen (anti -christs).

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Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches (or denominations ) Revelation 2 ​

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[JaumeJ]

After having attended Baltimore Catechism and learning, among others, The Apostles' Creed, the Hail Holy Queen, the Roasary, and more. I was not understanding thes error of it all, but now I do.

There are no magic words to make a peron true to God, only a repented heart.

It is obvious that you don't understand what the Apostles Creed is. During the 200s heresies and differences of opinion were taking place and the early church elders created the Roman Creed to fight the heresies. By 390 the elders felt it needed upgrading so they created the Apostles Creed. It is a statement of doctrine about the minimum a person must believe to be a Christian. All issues outside of it was considered agree to disagree. This pattern comes down today in all of the different gospel preaching denominations The creed contains the doctrine all Christians must believe. I suggest you read it as a statement of doctrine. All denominations have an online statements of doctrine. Presbyterian PCA has the Heidelberg Catechism. Reformed Church in America adds to this the Canons of Dort. Go to any gospel preaching denominations web site and most likely those that used to be and you will find reference to their doctrinal statements. Quit trying to make it something different than a statement of doctrine that should also be included in the doctrinal statements of present day gospel preaching churches.

Before condemning it read it and tell this site where it is in error.

 

[JaumeJ]

Hos 2:4 And I will not have mercy upon her children; for they be the children of whoredoms.
Hos

2:5 For their mother hath played the harlot: she that conceived them hath done shamefully: for she said, I will go after my lovers, that give me my bread and my water, my wool and my flax, mine oil and my drink.

 

[crossnote]

Hos 2:4 And I will not have mercy upon her children; for they be the children of whoredoms.
Hos

2:5 For their mother hath played the harlot: she that conceived them hath done shamefully: for she said, I will go after my lovers, that give me my bread and my water, my wool and my flax, mine oil and my drink.

Hosea was speaking to apostate Israel, not the RCC.

 

[JaumeJ]

Hosea was giving the Good News that Israel and Judah would be reunited, and returned to God.

Hosea was speaking to apostate Israel, not the RCC.

 

[crossnote]

Hosea was giving the Good News that Israel and Judah would be reunited, and returned to God.

That's right but the topic is, "Is Roman Catholicism Evil?".

 

[joefizz]

It is obvious that you don't understand what the Apostles Creed is. During the 200s heresies and differences of opinion were taking place and the early church elders created the Roman Creed to fight the heresies. By 390 the elders felt it needed upgrading so they created the Apostles Creed. It is a statement of doctrine about the minimum a person must believe to be a Christian. All issues outside of it was considered agree to disagree. This pattern comes down today in all of the different gospel preaching denominations The creed contains the doctrine all Christians must believe. I suggest you read it as a statement of doctrine. All denominations have an online statements of doctrine. Presbyterian PCA has the Heidelberg Catechism. Reformed Church in America adds to this the Canons of Dort. Go to any gospel preaching denominations web site and most likely those that used to be and you will find reference to their doctrinal statements. Quit trying to make it something different than a statement of doctrine that should also be included in the doctrinal statements of present day gospel preaching churches.

Before condemning it read it and tell this site where it is in error.

Pretty silly to keep saying people "must" believe in the creed,total lunacy,it's nothing more than a man made set of guidelines that catholics would love to force feed us,when will people realize that Jesus is above man made "anything"?
Honestly lighting candles,putting old men on a pedestal,making promises that will just be broken,the only promise and master there is for man to turn to is Jesus.
Man can keep squirming and thrashing about trying to make themselves more important than Jesus but it's just folly.

 

[JaumeJ]

My response post is to your comment on my post about the RCC, here. The RCC represents herself and her daughters in my humble understanding of the Word.

Hos 2:4 And I will not have mercy upon her children; for they be the children of whoredoms.
Hos

2:5 For their mother hath played the harlot: she that conceived them hath done shamefully: for she said, I will go after my lovers, that give me my bread and my water, my wool and my flax, mine oil and my drink.

 

[Adstar]

My LORD Jesus Christ died to fully pay the penalty of all my sins .. The Atonement He secured on the cross purges all my sins away and makes me as white as snow even thought my sins are a red as crimson..

The false jesus of the catholic religion preaches that you must do penance for your own sins and when you die you must spend time in a place called purgatory to have your remaining sin purged.. This abomination of a religion denies the effectual Atonement of the precious blood of the true LORD Jesus Christ and replaces it with a clean yourself and pay the price for your own sins religion..

So most definitely catholisim has created another jesus who died for nothing..

But the LORD Jesus Christ of true Christianity has secured the salvation of all who believe His Word and trust 100% in the Atonement He secured to pay 100% of the penalties we where due for our sins..

All praise be to Jesus my Hero, my Redeemer who suffered death out of love for me so that i can have eternal life..

 

[joefizz]

Pretty silly to keep saying people "must" believe in the creed,total lunacy,it's nothing more than a man made set of guidelines that catholics would love to force feed us,when will people realize that Jesus is above man made "anything"?
Honestly lighting candles,putting old men on a pedestal,making promises that will just be broken,the only promise and master there is for man to turn to is Jesus.
Man can keep squirming and thrashing about trying to make themselves more important than Jesus but it's just folly.

creed definition-
1.any system,doctrine,or formula of religious beliefs,as of a denomination
2.any system or codification of belief or of opinion
3.An authoritative,formulated statement of the chief articles of Christian belief as the apostles creed,the nicene creed,or the athanasian creed
Just like any prayer it's something you can either mean or not,it's not something that holds some kind of great power over believers,it's words agreed upon by people as a belief statement it's not something that is necessary to be accepted by any denomination or anyone.

 

[JaumeJ]

When I see how Israel and Judah will be joined together under God, I see the true marriage of God.

Israel, those who rule with God, and Juidah, those who praise God, and wehn we think on it we know these are teh same the original with the adopted.

God, Yahweh, will not be seeking out the Great Harlot, nor her daughters, but those described above.

 

[Endoscopy]

After having attended Baltimore Catechism and learning, among others, The Apostles' Creed, the Hail Holy Queen, the Roasary, and more. I was not understanding thes error of it all, but now I do.

There are no magic words to make a peron true to God, only a repented heart.

Since the Apostles Creed is a statement of doctrine created by the elders in 390 to fight heresies please explain specifically where it is in error!!

 

[JaumeJ]

Doctrine......those conventions of men in the early centuries are what hastened the world apostasy and it has not abatyed since., No it has blown up out of measure.

Not to be upsetting, I do not believe in any named denomination for there is no reference to any of them in theWord, and i, AFTER A HALFCENTUREY OF bIBLE RADING, CANNOT PLACE jESUS cHRIST IN ANY OF THOSE NAMED DENOMINATIONS, BUT ABOE ALL THE MOTHER OF ALL.

wITH ALL THE DOCTRINE one may name , there is no excuse for praying to any other than to God, no excuse to ask the dead to pray for us either, though they will be with all come the resurrection. No excust t make images toparade around in processions around the globe. No excuse to revere anything formed by the hands of men......

No excuse for rampant poverty within the congregations of a church so wealthy and with a hierarchy so well-educated passing on ignorance to the faithful. Jesus did not live like most priests today, not to mention bishops, cardinals and the pope.

Since the Apostles Creed is a statement of doctrine created by the elders in 390 to fight heresies please explain specifically where it is in error!!

 

[Endoscopy]

Doctrine......those conventions of men in the early centuries are what hastened the world apostasy and it has not abatyed since., No it has blown up out of measure.

Not to be upsetting, I do not believe in any named denomination for there is no reference to any of them in theWord, and i, AFTER A HALFCENTUREY OF bIBLE RADING, CANNOT PLACE jESUS cHRIST IN ANY OF THOSE NAMED DENOMINATIONS, BUT ABOE ALL THE MOTHER OF ALL.

wITH ALL THE DOCTRINE one may name , there is no excuse for praying to any other than to God, no excuse to ask the dead to pray for us either, though they will be with all come the resurrection. No excust t make images toparade around in processions around the globe. No excuse to revere anything formed by the hands of men......

No excuse for rampant poverty within the congregations of a church so wealthy and with a hierarchy so well-educated passing on ignorance to the faithful. Jesus did not live like most priests today, not to mention bishops, cardinals and the pope.

My update to my post was killed by the stupid 5 minute rule. I have problems on the site with its reaction to an android tabled running Chrome browser and SwiftKey keyboard.

In response to your foolish rant I challenge you to find error in it. Keep in mind that your denomination has online a statement of doctrine like all the denominations do. Start ranting about those if you are to remain credible.

 

[JaumeJ]

I do not find error nor do I find righteousness in words......they are just words.

Only God knows the herts of men, and it matters not what words they recite.

I even stop to think about each phrase and word in the "Our Father," so I am not guilty of simply repeating it rote........as do so manyof the Our Father and the Apostles' creed.........

No human, flesh that is, is going to convince any of the faithful that a group of words will save ........ it is always repentance and our Father recognizing it in the hearts,. It cannot be because of words put together by anyu group of men.

My update to my post was killed by the stupid 5 minute rule. I have problems on the site with its reaction to an android tabled running Chrome browser and SwiftKey keyboard.

In response to your foolish rant I challenge you to find error in it. Keep in mind that your denomination has online a statement of doctrine like all the denominations do. Start ranting about those if you are to remain credible.

 

[Endoscopy]

I do not find error nor do I find righteousness in words......they are just words.

Only God knows the herts of men, and it matters not what words they recite.

I even stop to think about each phrase and word in the "Our Father," so I am not guilty of simply repeating it rote........as do so manyof the Our Father and the Apostles' creed.........

No human, flesh that is, is going to convince any of the faithful that a group of words will save ........ it is always repentance and our Father recognizing it in the hearts,. It cannot be because of words put together by anyu group of men.

Again the 5 minute rule killed my update.
You try to make the creed into something it isn't and ignore the history behind it. In the early church heresies and differences of opinion were discussed. The result was that heresies needed to be fought and let differences of opinion be agree to disagree. However the core beliefs were to be adhered to. The creed is a doctrinal statement about the core Christian beliefs. Anything outside it was to agree to disagree. At this time in history the big fight was with a "Christian" version of Gnosticism making inroads to the church. They taught a succession of created being coming down from God with Jesus being the first. Jesus then created another being and that one created another etc. This heresy almost took over the church. The Roman Creed and later Apostles Creed were created to combat that heresy. Since you find no fault with it why do you rail against what the early church created to defend Christianity?

 

[JaumeJ]

The Creed is no more and no less than the affirmation by a written oath that a given person reciting it is "saved."

I believe Jesus, let your yes be yes and let your no be no. Anything else proceeds from evil, andyes, this applies to taking any oath or affirming any creed............also, the faithful have no need of such exaggerations and demonstrations, love and obedience are sufficient.

Again the 5 minute rule killed my update.
You try to make the creed into something it isn't and ignore the history behind it. In the early church heresies and differences of opinion were discussed. The result was that heresies needed to be fought and let differences of opinion be agree to disagree. However the core beliefs were to be adhered to. The creed is a doctrinal statement about the core Christian beliefs. Anything outside it was to agree to disagree. At this time in history the big fight was with a "Christian" version of Gnosticism making inroads to the church. They taught a succession of created being coming down from God with Jesus being the first. Jesus then created another being and that one created another etc. This heresy almost took over the church. The Roman Creed and later Apostles Creed were created to combat that heresy. Since you find no fault with it why do you rail against what the early church created to defend Christianity?