Okay at this point since I've already mentioned this I'm going to assume that you can't read your Bible because you can't read my statements I don't smoke pot I used to but I don't use any drugs
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And yet here you are expressing your agreement with doing dope and advocating for doing dope which is leading others astray
Romans 1:32
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
This is like the liberals who claim they are Christians as they vote for liberal politicians who support abortion and the gay agenda both of which are abominations to the Lord.
By voting for and advocating for liberal politicians, they are supporting the sinful behavior of the liberal politicians and are setting themselves in agreement with their sin.
I'm not advocating anything I'm suggesting using this topic that people are misunderstanding what the liberty in Christ is and specifically what is not found in the text of the Bible
I agree and things like participation in the gay lifestyle women's rights to abort are clearly delineated in the Bible as wrong numerous times yet when it comes to the marijuana plant the only reference to such a thing is God giving us the ability to use it for food which will still impart the THC High especially when cooked.
Nor am I leading anybody astray in fact somebody who is saying that it is a sin is leading somebody astray because that is not in the biblical text. I agree it's a very provocative subject and the reason that it is is as exactly as I stated it we as westerners tend to look very negatively upon any type of intoxicant the Bible does not
I challenge you to look up the ingredients used in the temple sacrifices several of them are psychotropic if not psychedelic when the high priest entered the holy of holies and all the smoke was going it's hard to imagine that with all of the herbs and psychedelic ingredients that are involved in the smoke that it did not affect them but that's a debate for another time right now you can't even see the objective fact that the Bible doesn't condemn a plant that God made and said was good and commanded us to use it at least insofar as eating it
And for the record I'm further right than Trump is
But the liberty of Christ does not mean it's OK to get intoxicated.
Liberty in Christ means to be free from walking after the flesh, living in corruption
2 Peter 1:4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
We are supposed to be walking in the Lord's divine nature which is not smoking weed, getting drunk, or any other form of intoxication
Intoxication is a sin as this is drunkenness. This is in fact on God's list of things that cause people to not be accepted in to His Kingdom as this is walking after the flesh being one of the works of the flesh
Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6:9,10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
You should challenge yourself to accept what God says in His Word
Trump don't smoke the weed.
Right nowhere in the Bible is it said do not smoke weed how many times do I have to say that you have to infer it and impose your presupposition that it's bad under the text to make it seem like it's a sin over indulgence will always be a sin but we're not talking about that we're talking about the man who comes home at the end of the day kicks on the news and smokes a joint he's not worshiping the Devil he's not advocating heavy drug use and he's not creating problems nor is he endangering himself there's no sin nothing in the Bible proves it is a sin.
No, Jesus did not get drunk at the last supper and He wasn't smokin the weed either.
Nowhere in the Bible does it specifically say to not smoke crack, rob banks, or kick cats.
And yet, these are sinful behaviors.
Intoxication is a sin as you have already been shown.
Ignore God's warnings at your own peril.
Yes actually two of the three examples you have are covered in the basic Ten Commandments and in the nine which will reiterated in the New Testament
Smoking crack aside from it having potential to give you an instant heart attack is extremely extremely damaging to your body and I would use your own argument that you are harming the temple
The amount of damage from smoking a joint a night is negligible because any potential damage is quickly recovered from for example the phyla in your lungs heal within a 24 to 48 hour.
You can't use extreme circumstances to invalidate what I'm saying you would literally have to say having a glass of wine a potential intoxicant is a sin to arrive at smoking a joint a potential intoxicant is a sin
And note the "be of sober mind" it's not suggesting that intoxication is a sin in the first place but we're not there yet.
Again I don't use drugs how can you possibly understand the Bible when you don't understand what I've already told you I don't use drugs I'm not supporting other people using drugs I'm not advocating drug use I am stating it is not a sin according to the Bible all this other stuff is ridiculously not on topic because you have to impose oh you're a drunk or oh you're a stoner or other over-indulgent sinful Acts to make your point
Sobriety is the state of being sober, defined as not being under the influence of alcohol
or drugs, and often implies long-term abstinence for those with dependency issues. It
also refers to a serious, temperate, and calm demeanor. Synonyms include soberness,
temperance, gravity, moderation, and steadiness. The Bible connects being sober to
being alert, level-headed, and clear-minded to avoid falling into sin or deception.
Sobriety is a form of self-discipline that allows believers to avoid yielding to ungodly desires.
Maintaining a sober mind is described as a protective measure against spiritual danger.
1 Peter 5:8: "Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil
prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour."
Titus 2:11-12: "For the grace of God... teaching us that, denying ungodliness and
worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age."
1 Thessalonians 5:6-8: "So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be awake
and sober... putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet."
1 Peter 1:13: "Therefore, preparing your minds for action, and being sober-minded, set
your hope fully on the grace that will be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ".
or drugs, and often implies long-term abstinence for those with dependency issues. It
also refers to a serious, temperate, and calm demeanor. Synonyms include soberness,
temperance, gravity, moderation, and steadiness. The Bible connects being sober to
being alert, level-headed, and clear-minded to avoid falling into sin or deception.
Sobriety is a form of self-discipline that allows believers to avoid yielding to ungodly desires.
Maintaining a sober mind is described as a protective measure against spiritual danger.
1 Peter 5:8: "Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil
prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour."
Titus 2:11-12: "For the grace of God... teaching us that, denying ungodliness and
worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age."
1 Thessalonians 5:6-8: "So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be awake
and sober... putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet."
1 Peter 1:13: "Therefore, preparing your minds for action, and being sober-minded, set
your hope fully on the grace that will be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ".
The definition of sobriety has way more Nuance than that because based on your definition methamphetamine is a godsend to us to give us a sober mind.
That is not some edict from God it is simply very good advice
And I do agree we should be sober thus I reiterate when Jesus drank from the wine at his last supper I'm assuming he would have been sober especially at that critical point in light of the very definition you gave and yet he drink alcohol.
So there is a difference between consuming an intoxicant and becoming intoxicated. Thus in my dialogues I have always asserted I am not referring to abusing a substance
So coming home tonight turning on the news and drinking a glass of wine or smoking a joint doesn't imply sin as apparently thanks to Jesus's example we know you can consume without losing your sobriety
I quoted Scripture.
And you say, not the Word of God, just good advice? To each their own, dude.
No you didn't you did not quote scripture that says smoking marijuana is a sin because it's not there you have to imply it from other things which by its definition means it's not thereI quoted Scripture.
Yeah really not trying to get argumentive about it, and I don't think you are either. We are hands and feet, you might be able to reach someone I couldn't and vice versa. But I've seen God move in services and people were saved and addictions fell away. God knows what each person needs.
Yes agreed my points really that if you broke your leg you'd probably rather go to a real medical doctor than to a veterinarian
I find it funny when people that engage like this don't understand the dynamic that saying that the Bible says something that they believe it says doesn't mean that it says that,
it means you think it says that and therefore if you and I were to disagree on the meaning of a verse then quoting that verse as evidence of the truth is completely irrelevant
I'm not some idiot picking my nose and smoking dope nor am I Young. My agenda in this line of questions is not for me I'm not asking so that I can learn something I'm asking so that you can learn something if you don't want to learn and expand your Horizons that's fine.
I have yet to hear anything that I haven't heard or discovered myself or once believed but I do know how I got where I'm at and who and what helped me get there
There are a lot of things I don't understand in the Bible this topic is not one of them
Not sure how this got linked into this message it was actually in response to magenta's response to me but either way
From what I understand, smoking marijuana as a teenager is known to increase the chances of psychosis, so there is a health risk with smoking it. Knowingly putting your mind and body in jeopardy to enjoy something would be sin in my estimation (I know not every teenager knows this, but if you do know and decide to smoke anyways it would be a sin I think).
I honesty think its between you and God. Because we know the substance of christ and the order of God is at hand. You cant smoke everywhere, well you can try, but its not good idea. The Fray sings about God smoking a cigarette, its secular music though, while Buddy sings about smoking marijuana/weed which is Christian, but they are not you. The Great Physician prescribes marijuana/weed all the time, so I would say do it in order with God for health reasons, judgments, laws and furtherance of Jesus Christ, our Doctor Of The Church & Health Of Our Contenance, if that be yours and your Gods will. To be blunt, no, its never been spoken in direct context in the bible but disagreeable in the body and it's members.
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This norin guy has no idea what he’s even talking about. He’s using any justification to do whatever he pleases. I wouldn’t even entertain his BS.
In my case, a little marijuana doesn't do anything wrong, especially when it's faithfully observed to the Lord, and as an exstension of sobriety.
But when you start to lose your sanity and question your salvation, and a voice loudly praising the evil one suddenly enters in, that's when things are certainly heading south.
God tends to let you know when you're going in the wrong direction. Things never go too well when you ignore it.
I had to learn that the hard way.
But when you start to lose your sanity and question your salvation, and a voice loudly praising the evil one suddenly enters in, that's when things are certainly heading south.
God tends to let you know when you're going in the wrong direction. Things never go too well when you ignore it.
I had to learn that the hard way.
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