Is the Teaching of Hellfire Loving and Just?

[CRC]

Is the Teaching of Hellfire Loving and Just?
Many religions teach that the wicked will go to a fiery hell and be tormented forever. Is this teaching logical and Scriptural? The human life span is limited to 70 or 80 years. Even if someone was guilty of extreme wickedness all his life, would everlasting torment be a just punishment? No. It would be grossly unjust to torment a man forever for the sins that he committed in a short lifetime.
Only God can reveal what happens after people die, and he has done so in his written Word, the Bible. This is what the Bible says: “As the [beast] dies, so the [man] dies; and they all have but one spirit .　.　. All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust.” (Ecclesiastes 3:19,　20) There is no mention here of a fiery hell. Humans return to dust—to nonexistence—when they die.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Is the Teaching of Hellfire Loving and Just?

The preaching and teaching on Hellfire is very loving and just. Now it should be done in a Biblical way.

The Lord Jesus Christ preached about Hell and He was very strong in the illustrations which He gave concerning the facts and details about Hell. In fact, the Lord Jesus Christ was the one who originated the term: "hell fire" (See Matt. 5:22).

And no one on this earth has ever been more loving and just than the Lord Jesus Christ. Through Christ's 3 and a half year ministry on Earth, Christ preached on Hell an estimated 8 times. Which would be about 2 times per year.

Most preachers these days don't even preach on Hell once in a year. Do you know what that means? It means that most preachers do not follow the example of Jesus Christ. Many people have forgotten that the Lord Jesus Christ was a preacher.

A lot of times, a mininster who is a liberal, while he will mention the great miracles which the Lord did while on this Earth, he will leave out the severe and strong preaching which the Lord also did during His earthly ministry.

And that is unfortunate, they have forgotten that God is a balanced Being.

Therefore again; the preaching and teaching of Hell fire is very loving and just. It takes biblical boldness and compassion to warn lost souls about the horrible fate of their souls if they die without Jesus.

And to warn them about the torments of Hell.

Many religions teach that the wicked will go to a fiery hell and be tormented forever. Is this teaching logical and Scriptural?

This teaching is very logical and Scriptural. Let's see what the Lord Jesus Christ said about Hell:




Matthew 18:7-11

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)


[SUP]7 [/SUP]Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! [SUP]8 [/SUP]Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.




Mark 9:42-50

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)


[SUP]42 [/SUP]And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea. [SUP]43 [/SUP]And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: [SUP]44 [/SUP]where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.[SUP]45 [/SUP]And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: [SUP]46 [/SUP]where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.[SUP]47 [/SUP]And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: [SUP]48 [/SUP]where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. [SUP]49 [/SUP]For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt. [SUP]50 [/SUP]Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.


Luke 16:19-31

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)


[SUP]19 [/SUP]There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: [SUP]20 [/SUP]and there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, [SUP]21 [/SUP]and desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. [SUP]22 [/SUP]And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; [SUP]23 [/SUP]and in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. [SUP]24 [/SUP]And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. [SUP]26 [/SUP]And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. [SUP]27 [/SUP]Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house: [SUP]28 [/SUP]for I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. [SUP]30 [/SUP]And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. [SUP]31 [/SUP]And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.



Now Christ certainly said more about Hell, but I just wanted to give you a few examples to show you that Hell fire preaching is Scriptural.

The human life span is limited to 70 or 80 years. Even if someone was guilty of extreme wickedness all his life, would everlasting torment be a just punishment? No. It would be grossly unjust to torment a man forever for the sins that he committed in a short lifetime.

Everlasting justice and punishment would be a just punishment. Why? Because while it is true that the average life span is around 70 to 80 years on this earth, keep in mind CRC that the sins a man commits on this Earth are sins committed against God. And God is an Eternal Being! God lives FOREVER.



Therefore, the penatly that lost souls will have to pay is eternal punishment. And that eternal punishment is the price that every lost man will pay in the Lake of Fire. And why? Well because they rejected the atoning payment that God's Son paid on the Cross of Calvary.


And when men reject Jesus Christ, they commit Grand Treason. They have taken a life that belonged to another. And Jesus Christ suffered the wrath of God on the cross of Calvary because of the sins of the whole world.

Only God can reveal what happens after people die, and he has done so in his written Word, the Bible. This is what the Bible says: “As the [beast] dies, so the [man] dies; and they all have but one spirit .　.　. All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust.” (Ecclesiastes 3:19,　20) There is no mention here of a fiery hell. Humans return to dust—to nonexistence—when they die.

And God has revealed what happens to people who die without Christ. Read Mark 9:40-50, Luke 16:19-31, Jude 1, Revelation 14 and 20.


And for you to try to disprove the reality of Hell by going to one passage of Scripture while ignoring hundreds of other passages, just shows how shallow of a student you are when it comes to Bible Study.

 

[Heartsearcher]

the above post is right in fact i was going to say the same thing but then somebody had to beat me to it lol. a major issue i see in church is they never teach about the dangers of hell or even the end times for that matter. although in many other religions they preach very much on hell but not to save you but condemn u if you dont follow their ways exactly

 

[acesneverwin]

Everlasting tourment is not scriptural. Hell is scriptural. Destruction of the soul in hell is scriptural. Everlasting torment and burning forever etc etc etc is not. The bible says you are granted eternal life through Jesus. It does not ever say you already have eternal life but will only spend it happily if you have Jesus. It says the wicked will be destroyed or perish in hell. Multiple times. The definition for either of those words do not translate to everlasting painful life...

Yes... teaching it is loving and just. Jesus did. Is he not loving and just?

 

[Heartsearcher]

Everlasting tourment is not scriptural. Hell is scriptural. Destruction of the soul in hell is scriptural. Everlasting torment and burning forever etc etc etc is not. The bible says you are granted eternal life through Jesus. It does not ever say you already have eternal life but will only spend it happily if you have Jesus. It says the wicked will be destroyed or perish in hell. Multiple times. The definition for either of those words do not translate to everlasting painful life...

Yes... teaching it is loving and just. Jesus did. Is he not loving and just?

i wish you were right... it would be so much better to just perish as if u never were instead of eternal torment. but i have seen hell with my own eyes, Jesus took me there one time and the humidity and thirst was unbearable and my shirt stuck to my skin. i saw the lake of fire and the ppl in it but i couldnt help them

 

[thecreationtutor]

Two sides of the Cross - wrath of God - forgiveness of God

Good news isn't good unless we know the bad news

 

[jandian]

Christ taught a lot about hell, and He is love

 

[Mark51]

The ancient Babylonian and Assyrian have been identified mostly as the ancient peoples whose religious beliefs of a “nether world…place of horrors” gave birth to this fallacy. The ancient Egyptian added to this with a “fiery aspect.” Buddhism, in time, evolved a concept of “hot and cold hells.” More importantly, modern translators of the Bible have nurtured this doctrine by not rendering an accurate translations of the Hebrew word “Sheol” (she’ohl’) and the Greek word “Hades” (hai’des) and “Gehenna” (ge’en na); and, within the various editions of the Bible; these same translators are not even consistent in their different applications in the various context of the scriptures. Theological doctrine such as this is one of mankind’s fictional concepts, fears, beliefs, folklore, traditions, superstitions, imaginations, and misunderstandings.

Jehovah warned the human families’ first parents what the results for disobedience would be: death and returning to dust. (Genesis. 2:17; 3:19) Other than the conditions that imperfection brings, no other conditions were given as a warning to be imposed after death. Apostle Paul counseled that death acquits us of our sins; furthermore, he stated that the wages for sin is death-nothing else. (Romans 6:7, 23; Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10; Psalms 146:3, 4) Theological doctrine as “Hell/Hades.” is only one of Satan (Opposer) the Devil’s (Slanderer) ploys to mislead many. (Revelation 12:9) Remember that he is the “father of the lie” and the god of this system of things. (John 8:44; 12:31;; Ephesians 6:11; 1 Peter 5:8; ) Appropriately, he is, aptly identified, as the “father of the lie” and the “god of this system of things.” (2 Corinthians 4:4; 1 John 5:19) The correct translations are the common grave or pit. (Job 17:16; 34:15; Psalms 146:4; Ecclesiastes 3:20; Isaiah 14:11) These are only a few scriptures comforting us of the condition of the dead.

Christians, with accurate knowledge, understand that Jesus was in “Hades” for three days but did not suffer torment. (Acts 2:31) The reconciliation the Jesus made between mankind’s sin and his heavenly father ended when he expired on the torture stake. Certainly God would not submit his son to further torment while in the grave. Apostle John aptly identified our creator when he wrote: “God is love.” (1 John 4:8) A loving creator/father would not subject anyone to eternal pain and suffering. There are numerous scriptures that support His many characteristic of love and compassion. The accounts in the following scriptures gives reasoning to this mistranslation/belief.-Deuteronomy 12:31; 2 Kings 16:3, 17:16, 21:6; 2 Chronicles 28:3; Psalms 106:34-39; Jeremiah 7:31, 19:5, 32:35.

 

[breno785au]

It is just otherwise satan would have something to accuse God of.

 

[garee]

Everlasting tourment is not scriptural. Hell is scriptural. Destruction of the soul in hell is scriptural. Everlasting torment and burning forever etc etc etc is not. The bible says you are granted eternal life through Jesus. It does not ever say you already have eternal life but will only spend it happily if you have Jesus. It says the wicked will be destroyed or perish in hell. Multiple times. The definition for either of those words do not translate to everlasting painful life...

Yes... teaching it is loving and just. Jesus did. Is he not loving and just?

I would agree .Hell is used to indicate a place of suffering.(not dead) The big fish in Jonas speaks of suffering when Jonas was still alive, described as hell. Those in whom God did not have mercy will never rise to new life again forever more. God does not punish people because He did not have mercy by which He had grace applied to them ,The flesh profits for nothing in respect to the suffering we do have while still here. It is the Spirit that gives eternal spirit life.

 

[Blain]

sorry guys but as much as it kinda gives me a headache of dead threads being brought back I always take every opportunity to be able to post this;b

 

[JaumeJ]

The teaching on the subject cited in the OP title is good to share with all, but first all must learn of Christ, His Salvation, and the joy of His resurrection.

As Jesus teaches, we are to win others by our love for one another, and I believe our love for all since He teaches us to love our enemies.

So, first we teach and impart love in order to cast out all fear, and then, only then, teaach the willy-billy-giving hell and brimstone.........

 

[prove-all]

For the wages of sin is death​

but the gift of God is eternal life

through Jesus Christ our Lord.​

 

[Ahwatukee]

Is the Teaching of Hellfire Loving and Just?
Many religions teach that the wicked will go to a fiery hell and be tormented forever. Is this teaching logical and Scriptural? The human life span is limited to 70 or 80 years. Even if someone was guilty of extreme wickedness all his life, would everlasting torment be a just punishment? No. It would be grossly unjust to torment a man forever for the sins that he committed in a short lifetime.
Only God can reveal what happens after people die, and he has done so in his written Word, the Bible. This is what the Bible says: “As the [beast] dies, so the [man] dies; and they all have but one spirit .　.　. All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust.” (Ecclesiastes 3:19,　20) There is no mention here of a fiery hell. Humans return to dust—to nonexistence—when they die.

The preaching of the gospel cannot be separated from the consequences of not receiving Christ. How could it be preached that Christ came to save? Wouldn't it beg the question, "saved from what?"

When preaching Christ, it is very important to also make known what an unbelievers status is without Christ. This isn't a social club where if a person refuses the invitation, no harm no foul. Everyone who comes into the world, because of sin, is already on their way to condemning judgment, no ifs ands or buts! We can't just preach Christ and then not say anything about the consequences of rejecting Him.

The human life span is limited to 70 or 80 years. Even if someone was guilty of extreme wickedness all his life, would everlasting torment be a just punishment? No. It would be grossly unjust to torment a man forever for the sins that he committed in a short lifetime.

By your statement above, you make yourself out to be more righteous than God. The fact is that scripture demonstrates that the consequences of sin is eternal. Then on top of that, you have those who reject God's offer of salvation through faith in Christ who paid the penalty for sins.

Only God can reveal what happens after people die, and he has done so in his written Word, the Bible. This is what the Bible says:

You picked one scripture out and ignored the multitude of scriptures that demonstrate eternal, conscious punishment in the lake of fire. Scripture is clear that, whether a believer or unbeliever dies, their spirit/soul departs from the body and is conscious and aware - Phil.1:23, 2 Cor.5:6-8 . When the believer dies, scripture states that the spirit/soul departs and goes to be in the presence of the Lord. But when the unbeliever dies, their spirit/soul departs from the body and goes into Hades and remains there until the end of the thousand year reign of Christ. Where at which time, all of those who have gathered in Sheol/Hades from the beginning of history will be released from Hades and will receive a resurrection body and will stand before God at the great white throne judgment where they will be held accountable for every sin they ever committed. Please consider the following:

"“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Above, you have the same word "eternal" being used for both punishment and life. Since we know that the word "eternal" in eternal life means on-going existence in the presence of God and all that he has for us, then the word "eternal" as in eternal punishment, must also carry the meaning of on-going conscious existence in punishment. You can't have "eternal" for the righteous mean on-going conscious existence in the presence of the Lord and then have the same word mean none existence for the unrighteous. They have to mean the same thing, which is on-going conscious existence. The verse that you quoted above has to do with the body only and has nothing to do with spirit/soul.

The event of the rich man and Lazarus is a perfect example demonstrating that when the body dies, the spirit/soul goes somewhere else, that is unless you have listened to the false teachings that claim that the rich man and Lazarus as being a parable. They distort this because it kills their whole idea of soul-sleep. But their are many other scriptures that demonstrate the conscious awareness of the spirit/soul after the death of the body, such as the souls under the altar at the opening of the 5th seal, as well as Moses and Elijah meeting with Jesus on the mount of transfiguration. We also have Jesus telling the man crucified next to him that he would be with him in paradise that very same day. But getting back to eternal punishment, which in itself describes the existing state of the individual, there are other scriptures that demonstrate on-going, never ending punishment, such as:

"The smoke of their torment will ascend up forever and ever."

"They shall have no rest day or night."

The verses above are the consequences of those who worship the beast, his image and receive his mark. But they will be going to the same place that everyone else will be going who dies without Christ. For scripture states that "anyone's name not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire." There would be no need to have everlasting fire if when everyone who was thrown in was immediately burnt up. The word "everlasting" is focused on those who will be suffering the flame, otherwise there would be no need for everlasting fire.

They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust.” (Ecclesiastes 3:19,　20) There is no mention here of a fiery hell. Humans return to dust—to nonexistence—when they die.

The above refers only to the body and not the spirit/soul. When the rich man was in sheol/Hades, it was not his body that went there, but his spirit/soul. When Lazarus and Abraham were in that place of comfort, which was across from the place of torment, the reference to returning to dust is regarding the body and not the spirit/soul. When Jesus said to the man next to him "today you will be with me in paradise" their bodies were buried, but it was their spirits/souls that went to that place of paradise which was across from sheol/hades.

 

[John146]

Sin and death will be no more. This is part of God’s eternal salvation plan.

Hellfire is not eternal.

Reviewing all the texts Jesus knew would reveal these truths to us,
It is very reasonable to take the path of context, and trust in God’s instruction, character, and truth.

There is a hellfire referred to in Revelation, and throughout the Bible.

Edited for edification and context, though there are more citable Bible texts-
These truths consistently evident:

(People are not now as we speak burning in hell, (and some unfairly burning thousands of years earlier than others.) When taking into account all texts and contexts, we see that hellfire is not eternal.
Only God is immortal Timothy 6:16 (KJV)

Matthew 13:29,30
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

2Peter 2:9
9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

John 5:28,29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Job 21:30,32 30 That the wicked is reserved to the day of destruction? they shall be brought forth to the day of wrath.32 Yet shall he be brought to the grave, and shall remain in the tomb.

Genesis3:22-24
22 ...and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
Romans 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
1Timothy 6:16
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting...
1 Corinthians 15: 52-54
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Is the devil in charge of hell?

Revelation 19
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

I got saved through the preaching of hell and the lake of fire.

 

[Yonah]

Psa 115:17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[OneFaith]

Is the Teaching of Hellfire Loving and Just?
Many religions teach that the wicked will go to a fiery hell and be tormented forever. Is this teaching logical and Scriptural? The human life span is limited to 70 or 80 years. Even if someone was guilty of extreme wickedness all his life, would everlasting torment be a just punishment? No. It would be grossly unjust to torment a man forever for the sins that he committed in a short lifetime.
Only God can reveal what happens after people die, and he has done so in his written Word, the Bible. This is what the Bible says: “As the [beast] dies, so the [man] dies; and they all have but one spirit .　.　. All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust.” (Ecclesiastes 3:19,　.20) There is no mention here of a fiery hell. Humans return to dust—to nonexistence—when they die.

That is what Satan wants you to believe. That's like saying a loving God won't let fire burn your hand. No, it is loving to warn that fire will burn your hand. Stick it in fire if you want proof. I guarantee you it won't take long for you to make up your mind.

It may have been a short test, but the test revealed who he was and he will be the same for all eternity. He does not need to be evil for millions of years to know that he is an evil person- that can be revealed in this short lifetime.

God is just. Sin MUST be paid for- either by Christ, or a soul's eternity in hell.

 

[miknik5]

Is the Teaching of Hellfire Loving and Just?
Many religions teach that the wicked will go to a fiery hell and be tormented forever. Is this teaching logical and Scriptural? The human life span is limited to 70 or 80 years. Even if someone was guilty of extreme wickedness all his life, would everlasting torment be a just punishment? No. It would be grossly unjust to torment a man forever for the sins that he committed in a short lifetime.
Only God can reveal what happens after people die, and he has done so in his written Word, the Bible. This is what the Bible says: “As the [beast] dies, so the [man] dies; and they all have but one spirit .　.　. All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust.” (Ecclesiastes 3:19,　20) There is no mention here of a fiery hell. Humans return to dust—to nonexistence—when they die.

If wha you are saying is the full story then what holds men back from believing in the LORD JESUS CHRIST

 

[miknik5]

I guess what I am saying is.
Did HE or did HE not come into the world?
And if HE did...for what reason?

 

[miknik5]

Is it loving and just to withhold THE TRUTH?