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KennethC
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The 10 Commandments are upheld within the New Covenant too, they are not just OT written ordinances !!!
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The 10 Commandments are upheld within the New Covenant too, they are not just OT written ordinances !!!
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Yes that's to abide in Grace...its when folks turn back to the law (legalism) that they are cut-off from Christ ...
Ga 5:4 Ye are cut-off from Christ, ye would be justified by the law; ye are fallen away from grace.
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KennethC
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There is no condemnation for those who walk by the Spirit, and not by the flesh !!!
Those who walk by the flesh that condemnation of the law still exists, as Paul said the law still exists for the lawless, meaning those who continue to deliberately transgress it !!!
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Mitspa
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Do you see that our goals are similar? That through repentance a person has victory over sin, and turns from that sin? Only you and I have different methods of achieving that goal. The method I believe the Bible presents is found in identity in Christ and being made new creations. Not sin confession and repentance, that for all intents and purposes is a boast in the flesh and an oath hardly kept. No, the renewal of the mind leads to lasting change and not (like other forms of repentance and promises) just a temporary change that can only be kept for so long until the flesh grows tired.
But focus on that truth. The both of us teach repentance from sin, and victory over it. Our methods are only different.
Yep, same penalty. Seems He might have died for nothing if our goose is still cooked when we fail to keep all the law..... which we WILL fail to do. (In case you haven't noticed, it can be proven from just our posts here...let alone, our secret lives... that we all have already done that failure a number of times.)
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Mitspa
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The flesh is legalism ..the Spirit is "the Spirit of Grace" ..by faith alone
Ga 3:2 This only would I learn from you. Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now perfected in the flesh?
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KennethC
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Even though you may take it the same way, but it means to abide in Christ, and to abide in Christ means to abide in what He said and taught to do !!!
A person can not claim to be abiding in Christ while denying to keep His teachings and commands at the same time, and Jesus did not give just 1 or 2 commandments. Those two were only called the greatest because they encompass all the others, if you obey those 2 you will obey the others as well.
Trying to be justified by the Mosaic law is sin, because no man can keep all of them by themselves thus will always be guilty of sin.
In Christ however we have the Holy Spirit and His guidance to keep us walking in His morals, and by love makes it light and easy to achieve to walk in His righteousness !!!
All of us, all of us fall short of God's glory. I do not identity as a sinner, but as a saint. You don't see the Body of Christ being addressed as sinners in the epistles but saints. I do sin, but that sin doesn't define me because I am clothed in Jesus. I am washed in the blood of Jesus Christ and He has imputed His righteousness to me. So, indeed I sin, we are still in this fleshly body, but also too our old man has been crucified with Christ and we are dead to sin.
The spiritual reality needs to manifest in our walk as we renew our minds to God's truth. He says we are dead to sin, alive unto God and sin shall not dominate our lives because we are under grace. Believe it. Have faith. Meditate on these things in God's word and come to find out your identity in Christ. In doing so, it transforms your conduct.
As I said to another user, repentance is being preached to have victory over sin. Only a different method (and the biblical one) is being used and preached. It is through a renewal of the mind and finding out your identity in Christ having been made a new creation. Even so, that we died with Christ and have risen with Him so as to consider ourselves dead to sin and alive unto God.
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Mitspa
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No to abide in Christ is to abide in His Grace .."By grace ye stand" .. To be cut-off from Christ is to turn from grace back to self-righteousness (legalism) ...that's what the bible clearly teaches !
I thought that I already made that clear. No, I am not under the 10 commandments. No gentile ever has been.
You really don't. Just check your posting history. You're as snide and unloving in your words as any of us.
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Who is lawless but those who claim to keep a law they do not keep i.e. The law of Moses ... Who keeps God law but those that have faith that works by love?
Only grace keeps Gods laws.
Well said Ben!..there in lies the rub..are "we" doing it..or are we relying on the finished work of Christ and letting His life in us transforms as we "behold" Him as in a mirror.
This is the works ( altho it is hidden to the natural mind ) verses grace ( believing in what He has done for us ,,and then living from our new creation - in our inner man of the heart in Christ )
This is the works ( altho it is hidden to the natural mind ) verses grace ( believing in what He has done for us ,,and then living from our new creation - in our inner man of the heart in Christ )
Nor would I. But if you look at the walk of someone walking in Christ, they will do the righteousness required by the law. So it's not a question of whether the law has to be done or not, it's how do we do that? And the only way is faith.
Where is that written? Grace can't keep anything. Grace is GOD's gracious mercy that enables us to walk in the righteousness of the law.
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KennethC
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Keep reading as Paul in Galatians 5 gives a clear distinction between the fruit of the Spirit and the works of the flesh, and in this distinction he shows the fruit of the Spirit is this:
Fruit of the Spirit (these get eternal life)
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. (Galatians 5:22-23)
Works of the flesh (these do not get eternal life)
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Notice here in the works of the flesh that people who do these things will not inherit the kingdom of God, which is eternal life, the words in red those are part of the 10 Commandments being transgressed !!!