im sorry i write it unclear. its late night here i try to write better tomorrowI had to read that 3 times to understand what you are saying so please ignore my other response which I was thankfully still able to delete
Isn't it about time for this? The Elect of God & Predestination What they are and are not according to the Bible, God's words
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In greek it is christos or oil.
Hebrew messiah root is salvation.
Have a good day, ps the bible is quite deadly without the HS to interpet
It has been well over a decade since I have heard this. Thank you lol. When the lion lay down with the lamb I may try this out
I do agree though. I've wrestled with this thought quite a bit. It's not quite so clear cut for me but I've been in some foul moods where I haven't been able to quite understand it (I'm not sure it can be fully) and been kind of "ragey" and let's just say after a few tantrums came to the conclusion that this is not at all accurate in deciding who is saved and who is not. Can't say why it was on my mind so strongly.
That is a hopeless way to live.
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As many as the father has given to the Son .They alone can come. No man can come save the father draw from the foundation of the world..Their names will be found in the Lambs book of life. Those not under the work of Christ's faith will be blotted out from the other book of all that was created. The two books will match each other on the last day .
God has not predestined or chosen an elected people to be saved and others to be lost, as two choices . They who are born dead have no faith. They as a forward generation (no faith) remain lost not being chosen. They simply will not rise to new spirit life on the last day .
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.John 3:18
However, to the man who does not work but trusts God's labor of love as a three day work of His faith. That work of faith not of his own self justifies the wicked. His new born again faith that worked in him to both will and do the good pleasure of the father not seen is credited as "imputed righteousness”
1 Corinthians 1:31 Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”
I had to use the NIV because the KJ uses glory instead of boast. But its the same meaning in my opinion.
I would suggest you are misreading the Greek when you think Christos translates as oil.
To anoint with oil would be correct. Very often this is the oil used in so called holy anointing oil; olive oil. However, Christos means anoint, which is the action of anointing, and does not necessarily pertain to an anointing with an oil. This is in evidence if we recall Jesus at His Baptism. He was anointed with the Holy Spirit that descended "like" a dove once Jesus arose from "death" in that baptism in the Jordan and stood then as a new creation, anointed with the Father's Holy Spirit. No oil, rather spirit anointing.
Strong's Greek
Strong's Greek: 5547. Χριστός (Christos) -- the Anointed ...
◄ 5547. Christos ►. Strong's Concordance. Christos: the Anointed
One, Messiah, Christ. Original Word: Χριστός, οῦ, ὁ ...
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Strong's Greek: 500. ἀντίχριστος (antichristos) ...
... NAS Exhaustive Concordance. Word Origin from anti and Christos Definition antichrist,
(one who opposes Christ) NASB Translation antichrist (4), antichrists (1). ...
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Strong's Greek: 5580. ψευδόχριστος (pseudochristos) ...
... NAS Exhaustive Concordance. Word Origin from pseudés and Christos Definition
a false Christ or Messiah NASB Translation false Christs (2). ...
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Strong's Greek: 5546. Χριστιανός (Christianos) -- a ...
... Christian. NAS Exhaustive Concordance. Word Origin from Christos Definition
a Christian NASB Translation Christian (2), Christians (1). ...
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Have a good day, ps the bible is quite deadly without the HS to interpet[/QUOTE]
I would suggest people believe in Jesus Christ. If a Christian doesn't own a Bible they will still have access to The Word of God in that sense.
Today, with the Internet and the proliferation of iPhones, everyone has free access to the Bible (and in many languages).
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org
As in all things Christ must to the first work of His faith or labor of His love .Giving new creatures ears to hear His understanding..
God “desires all men to be saved in respect to "as many" as the father gave the son. They alone will come as he draws them them .Not one less or more.
The key is as many as. They alone are given the power to believe. We have that treasure as the power of God but it is not of us.
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Matthew 20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
I don't think those who accept such a doctrine put a lot of thought into what it says about God.
God could have not planted that tree that would predestine Adam to bring sin to enter the world so that salvation from sin became necessary.
But what is salvation by definition then?
If it is of the same God that planted the tree that would lead to sin and damnation in the first place?
And what is one being saved from, when the same God that is said to have predestined all things created the angel that would fall, and opened a place called Hell wherein that fallen angel and then fallen humans would dwell, after they were let to be born by God's will but were not allowed to be saved by God's will.
Let's look at what the official "Canon of Dort" states about that which has become known as the five points of Calvinism, or TULIP, in the Reformed Doctrine.
First, out of order at the source linked, someone asked about the children of the elect and are they saved simply by being born to "elect" parents. Yes, according to the canon of Dort.
Article 17Since we are to judge of the will of God from His Word which testifies that the children of believers are holy, not by nature, but in virtue of the covenant of grace, in which they, together with the parents, are comprehended, godly parents have no reason to doubt of the election and salvation of their children whom it pleaseth God to call out of this life in their infancy.
FIRST HEAD OF DOCTRINEOf Divine Predestination
Article 7
Election is the unchangeable purpose of God, whereby, before the foundation of the world, He hath out of mere grace, according to the sovereign good pleasure of His own will, chosen, from the whole human race, which had fallen through their own fault from their primitive state of rectitude into sin and destruction, a certain number of persons to redemption in Christ, whom He from eternity appointed the Mediator and Head of the elect, and the foundation of salvation.This elect number, though by nature neither better nor more deserving than others, but with them involved in one common misery, God hath decreed to give to Christ, to be saved by Him, and effectually to call and draw them to His communion by His Word and Spirit, to bestow upon them true faith, justification and sanctification; and having powerfully preserved them in the fellowship of His Son, finally, to glorify them for the demonstration of His mercy and for the praise of His glorious grace, as it is written: “According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love: having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, wherein He hath made us accepted in the beloved” (Eph. 1:4–6). And elsewhere: “Whom He did predestinate, them He also called: and whom He called, them He also justified: and whom He justified them He also glorified” (Rom. 8:30)
Article 12 The elect in due time, though in various degrees and in different measures, attain the assurance of this their eternal and unchangeable election, not by inquisitively prying into the secret and deep things of God, but by observing in themselves, with a spiritual joy and holy pleasure, the infallible fruits of election pointed out in the Word of God — such as a true faith in Christ, filial fear, a godly sorrow for sin, a hungering and thirsting after righteousness, etc.
Article 13The sense and certainty of this election afford to the children of God additional matter for daily humiliation before Him, for adoring the depth of His mercies, for cleansing themselves, and rendering grateful returns of ardent love to Him, who first manifested so great love towards them. The consideration of this doctrine of election is so far
from encouraging remissness in the observance of the divine commands or from sinking men in carnal security, that these, in the just judgment of God, are the usual effects of rash presumption or of idle and wanton trifling with thegrace of election in those who refuse to walk in the ways of the elect.
First, out of order at the source linked, someone asked about the children of the elect and are they saved simply by being born to "elect" parents. Yes, according to the canon of Dort.
Article 17Since we are to judge of the will of God from His Word which testifies that the children of believers are holy, not by nature, but in virtue of the covenant of grace, in which they, together with the parents, are comprehended, godly parents have no reason to doubt of the election and salvation of their children whom it pleaseth God to call out of this life in their infancy.
FIRST HEAD OF DOCTRINEOf Divine Predestination
Article 7
Election is the unchangeable purpose of God, whereby, before the foundation of the world, He hath out of mere grace, according to the sovereign good pleasure of His own will, chosen, from the whole human race, which had fallen through their own fault from their primitive state of rectitude into sin and destruction, a certain number of persons to redemption in Christ, whom He from eternity appointed the Mediator and Head of the elect, and the foundation of salvation.This elect number, though by nature neither better nor more deserving than others, but with them involved in one common misery, God hath decreed to give to Christ, to be saved by Him, and effectually to call and draw them to His communion by His Word and Spirit, to bestow upon them true faith, justification and sanctification; and having powerfully preserved them in the fellowship of His Son, finally, to glorify them for the demonstration of His mercy and for the praise of His glorious grace, as it is written: “According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love: having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, wherein He hath made us accepted in the beloved” (Eph. 1:4–6). And elsewhere: “Whom He did predestinate, them He also called: and whom He called, them He also justified: and whom He justified them He also glorified” (Rom. 8:30)
Article 12 The elect in due time, though in various degrees and in different measures, attain the assurance of this their eternal and unchangeable election, not by inquisitively prying into the secret and deep things of God, but by observing in themselves, with a spiritual joy and holy pleasure, the infallible fruits of election pointed out in the Word of God — such as a true faith in Christ, filial fear, a godly sorrow for sin, a hungering and thirsting after righteousness, etc.
Article 13The sense and certainty of this election afford to the children of God additional matter for daily humiliation before Him, for adoring the depth of His mercies, for cleansing themselves, and rendering grateful returns of ardent love to Him, who first manifested so great love towards them. The consideration of this doctrine of election is so far
from encouraging remissness in the observance of the divine commands or from sinking men in carnal security, that these, in the just judgment of God, are the usual effects of rash presumption or of idle and wanton trifling with thegrace of election in those who refuse to walk in the ways of the elect.
Having foreknowledge is the same as predetermining BECAUSE of the fact that, BEFORE God created, He knew EXACTLY how things would pan out and STILL decided to create.
If God predestines everyone ever born to heaven, then everyone is going to heaven, God is not going to fail. My God would never fail like that. Judas didnt seem like he was predestined to glory, what about the man of sin? I see. What about Revelation 17:17? Uhh okay. I gotcha we cant deal with those verses, doesn't fit the regularly scheduled program! Them folks at the pews might be turned off by what God actually IS doing, lets just keep telling them God loves them and has a wonderful plan for their life
He sure does give free will for everyone to choose to be saved or lost, problem is no one in the flesh wants to be saved, no one with a heart of stone wants to be saved or redeemed, only those with a heart of flesh, who have been touched by God and given a new heart even want to seek the Lord and come nigh unto the Most High.
As for not getting in the way of our decisions, thats just a mind-blowing statement and tells me that these folks who wrote up that little article there have NOT read their bibles much, if at all. Starting from Genesis we see God getting in the way of human decisions ALL DAY every day.
Psalm 33:10
The LORD brings the counsel of the nations to nothing; he frustrates the plans of the peoples.
I was going to reply when I started reading your remarks. Then when I saw that you ask and answer your own questions , I realized it wasn't necessary.Having foreknowledge is the same as predetermining BECAUSE of the fact that, BEFORE God created, He knew EXACTLY how things would pan out and STILL decided to create.
If God predestines everyone ever born to heaven, then everyone is going to heaven, God is not going to fail. My God would never fail like that. Judas didnt seem like he was predestined to glory, what about the man of sin? I see. What about Revelation 17:17? Uhh okay. I gotcha we cant deal with those verses, doesn't fit the regularly scheduled program! Them folks at the pews might be turned off by what God actually IS doing, lets just keep telling them God loves them and has a wonderful plan for their life
He sure does give free will for everyone to choose to be saved or lost, problem is no one in the flesh wants to be saved, no one with a heart of stone wants to be saved or redeemed, only those with a heart of flesh, who have been touched by God and given a new heart even want to seek the Lord and come nigh unto the Most High.
As for not getting in the way of our decisions, thats just a mind-blowing statement and tells me that these folks who wrote up that little article there have NOT read their bibles much, if at all. Starting from Genesis we see God getting in the way of human decisions ALL DAY every day.
Psalm 33:10
The LORD brings the counsel of the nations to nothing; he frustrates the plans of the peoples.