Israel Declares War

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cv5

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Praise God for something good about the internet, in spite of all filth that has come with it.
You say that all biblical prophecy has been fulfilled in 70 A.D.?
Well I guess that rules out the Second Coming anytime soon. Or ever for that matter.

What you do not understand is that the Second Coming is in fact the culmination and necessary end point of biblical prophecy.
 

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The AC/AC spirit is already in the world, and has been for, oh, centuries.
But that is not the same thing as the actual Antichrist -- the Man of Sin and the Son of Perdition. We need to rightly divide the Word of Truth. God has allotted 3 1/2 years to the FUTURE reign of the Antichrist.
 

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Western culture is a powerful drug and the youth of Muslims will be corrupted to western values within 100 years.
Too funny, and incredibly glaringly obviously wrong, considering it has been about 1400 years so far...
 

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But that is not the same thing as the actual Antichrist -- the Man of Sin and the Son of Perdition. We need
to rightly divide the Word of Truth. God has allotted 3 1/2 years to the FUTURE reign of the Antichrist.
Does not change the fact that the AC and AC spirit has been in the world for a very long time already.
So someone wanting know when it is going to happen ought to give their head a shake and open their eyes.
 

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Muslims are not interested in forcing conversion of other people, what they do not like is
when of their own leaves their religion, but then that is true for Orthodox Jews as well.
Are orthodox Jews instructed to murder the infidel (one who leaves their faith)?

The so-called holy books of the Muslim instruct adherents of Islam to kill the infidel.
 

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That is a rather strange response, since Bible prophecy is very clear.
So tell me when the AC/AC spirit has not been in the world, without going further back than Adam and Eve sinning.
 

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Concerning 70 A.D. the prophesy was not for that time but the time that is now, and looks like it is happening now.

It is here.

Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

This is a prophesy for 70 A.D. concerning the overthrowing of Jerusalem.

The rest is past that point in time.

Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

This explains that it was not for the time back then for they asked what shall be end of the world which means when the world is put down, and God ends sin on Earth, which has not happened yet.

And why would Jesus come back in 70 A.D. for what is the purpose.

It would not be to save the Jews for the reason Jerusalem was overthrown was because of their rejecting Christ so God allowed them to be scattered in to the nations which is the punishment recorded in the Old Testament if they were rebellious.

Jesus will take His people off the Earth, and then come back to fight at the Battle of Armageddon which is not really a fight in the sense it is only one sided for the world is not going to do anything to Jesus in the least sense.

Those things have not happened yet.

Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

The United Nations have been operating since 1945 to work for peace on Earth, and now the nations want a one world government.

The Republican and Democrat top leaders are working together which is the Hegel System the same as America and Russia have been working together the 2 opposing system that they harmonize together which they believe it better than either on alone.

There is more that can be said about that and the reason for it.

The Republicans will give the one world government the most difficulty.

Donald Trump used to be a Democrat but switched to Republican as President.

He was put in place to increase the fighting between the parties which being a Republican and stirring up the patriots to be more aggressive is more affective at increasing the fighting.

And to gain the trust of the Republicans, and try to get their support, and loyalty, so he can influence them to go along with the one world government saying it is really the best thing to do.

He got the Covid shot to try to convince the Republicans to do the same.

He was against a global government but he will be for a global government saying it is the best thing to do because of the current world situation.

He was against it all but then he will be for it all which is the plan to get the Republicans to accept the change that will be made.

He is saying this.

We are founded on Judeo-Christian principles and vows to end religious freedom for Non-Christians in the United States.

Immigrant coming to the US should embrace Christianity.

Donald Trump is trying to gain even more support, and trust with the Republicans, and trying to make Christianity look like it is aggressive, not tolerant, and exclusive, all the while trying to make it look like it is good to the Republicans.

As soon as Israel and Hamas started fighting the nations started dividing themselves, and throwing out threats, and warnings, which it is a set up for the nations are working together, but it is all a scare tactic to get the people of the world to want to come together to work for peace on Earth.

When you shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, and nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places, this is the beginning of sorrows.

And this is happening now as the nations are dividing themselves with threats, and warnings, against each other.

With America, The European Union, and India as one group siding with Israel, and Russia, China, and the Middle East as one group siding with the Arabs.

They are making serious threats against each other but it is all a scare tactic to get the people on board for a one world government.

And we have known about famines, pestilences, and earthquakes for a while, but they will pick up steam.

Which this could of not happened back in 70 A.D. for how could a person know of things that are happening around the world without technology for they would not know the nations, and kingdoms are against each other, and troubles are happening in different places on Earth.

About all they would know is when they went outside and looked around except a few things told by people not too far from them that was in the area.

If we did not have technology we would not of things going on in the world so it could of not happened back then.

When a person believes what they want to believe they will not notice the obvious.

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Daniel did not understand what was told him concerning the end time but was told to go his way for the book is sealed until the end, and then at the end the saints will understand.

Because many shall run to and fro, advanced travel, and knowledge shall be increased, advanced technology, which then the saints can see, hear, and know what the world is doing, and how it is possible for them to come together for they can communicate with each other.

Daniel had a limited view of his world so he could not fathom how he could understand what is happening on a world wide level, as well as anybody.

But we can today and now we can understand the book of Daniel, and Revelation.

The disciples would not know of things happening on different places on Earth for they would be in the same position as Daniel.

Continued,
 

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Continued,

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

How could the saints be hated of all nations for Jesus' name sake but this can happen today, and it is starting to happen now.

Since the nations governments are together with a one world government, and the New Age Christ will negotiate peace in the Middle East they have the plan to stop Christianity from being preached favoring religion that exalts people so they will start going against Christianity before the peace treaty.

There is much talk against Christianity now which they are vehemently talking against it saying they do not have the right interpretation of the Bible, they are hypocritical, they are not tolerant of other religions not wanting peace, they are exclusive, they do not like the LGBTQ community, and they are not the answer for a better world, making them out to be the bad guys.

But this can be expected for when the New Age Christ negotiates peace and there is a peace treaty he will push the agenda of the new age movement, and the world will be split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section in league with the New Age Christ, so the New Age Christ, and the 10 leaders, want to make Christianity out to be bad before the New Age Christ pushes his agenda that is against Christianity.

Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

The world is motivated by selfishness, and arrogance, and they get worse as time goes on for that is the direction they are going, and iniquity is a lack of love for it is selfishness, and arrogance, and if they get too bad in a society they will not like each other.

Look at America that enjoys sin above all the other nation how they do not like each other much.

They fight with each other, and belittle each other, more than any other nation, and the internet is ground zero.

The politicians fight with each other, and belittle each other, testifying that their whole system is based on fighting, and belittling, and individual exaltation.

A society will not like each other in that circumstance.

I doubt that back in the first century they had such condition that iniquity would abound so much that they would not love each other when there was not technology causing money to flow like a raging river, and they could reach out farther to make more money, and became highly selfish, and arrogant, scurrying about to get all the money, and material things they could get with the attitude get all you can get and forget everyone else.

Which God told us of the last generation which they shall devour the poor from off the Earth, and the needy among men, and that is because of technology.

Today iniquity would abound causing the love of many to wax cold.

The rest of the chapter is about the New Age Christ stepping in to Jews newly built temple, and claiming to be God, which will happen in the future when the peace treaty is signed that Israel will go back to animal sacrifices, and he will step in the temple and tell them to stop animal sacrificing, and he is their God.

Jesus said there would be great tribulation such as has not been on Earth before, or ever will be again, which would not make sense back in the first century concerning what little saints there were for how could it be the worse persecution.

The persecution would be greater after the first century when there are more saints.

Which the persecution at the end time will be on a world wide level with all nations governments involved as well as the Pope and Vatican.

I think that is greater persecution than back in the first century.

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Also after that tribulation it says that the elect will be gathered from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other, which is all the saints.

But all the saints would not have left the Earth back in the first century for if they did it would be the end, and Jesus would put down the world, but the world was not put down in the first century for they continued.

It does not make sense that it happened in the first century with the exception of the first 2 verses of Jerusalem being overthrown.
 

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That is a rather strange response, since Bible prophecy is very clear.
Indeed. The HS is specifying timing of the sequence of events down to the resolution of days.

69 weeks of years is 173,880 days. Which was fulfilled with infallible precision.
Same will be so for the tribulation series of events.

The time is at hand. Time for everyone to repent and get prepared.
 

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Same will be so for the tribulation series of events.
It is significant to note that the Holy Spirit has given the time allotted to the Antichrist in a variety of ways, both in Daniel and Revelation.

So what we have in Rev chapters 11 and 13 is the equivalent of 42 months (Rev 13) for the total control of the Antichrist over all the inhabitants of the earth (while the two prophets or witnesses of Rev 11 also preach for the same allotted time).

That is also stated as (1) 1,260 days and (2) time (1 year) + times (2 years) + half a time (or the dividing of time) ( 6 months) which is the same as 3 1/2 years. This is also found in Daniel.

Therefore it works out to 3 1/2 years, which is equal to exactly half of 7 years. And 7 years is actually a "week" of years (or a heptad). And Daniel 9:27 speaks about "one week", as well as
the Antichrist shutting down the temple sacrifices "in the midst of the week". That verse then speaks of the Abomination of Desolation.
 

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Around 19:30 he says that the US will soon be fighting a war on three fronts and will have to have a draft. This guy studies this stuff intensely and posts daily. He may be wrong, but should not be ignored.


⚡ALERT! WORLDWIDE UNREST! US ARMY PANIC! F-16s in UKRAINE, IRAN THREATENS BLINKEN, LEBANON PREPARES

Video of the protest in DC, and also does very interesting analysis explaining that the US Navy is in the Mediterranean because we are keeping supply lines open to Israel while threatening to cut them off for Lebanon and Jordan and Palestinians.
 

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So tell me when the AC/AC spirit has not been in the world, without going further back than Adam and Eve sinning.
You are simply ignoring Bible prophecy to prove your point. And my post #3,133 shows you what you are ignoring.

But to answer your question above, the Bible is very clear about when the A/C spirit appeared.
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. (1 John 2:22,23).

So the "spirit" of Antichrist came on earth when the enemies of Christ began to deny that Jesus is indeed the Christ. That meant denying both the Father and the Son. After that came the Gnostics: For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. (2 John 1:7)

The apostle John was NOT referring to the Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition. It is Paul who specifically mentioned this person, but Daniel had already given many revelations about "THE Antichrist" (one man controlled totally by Satan).
 

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The apostle John was NOT referring to the Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition. It is Paul who specifically mentioned this
person, but Daniel had already given many revelations about "THE Antichrist" (one man controlled totally by Satan).
John was the only Bible writer to use the word Antichrist.
 

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Are orthodox Jews instructed to murder the infidel (one who leaves their faith)?

The so-called holy books of the Muslim instruct adherents of Islam to kill the infidel.
Not to mention the fact that all Muhammed did was put people to the sword who wouldn't convert.
 

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Liar, liar, pants on fire
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1 Samuel 15:3-23 ICB
Now go, attack the Amalekites. Destroy everything that belongs to them as an offering to the Lord. Don’t let anything live. Put to death men and women, children and small babies. Kill the cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”
 

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John was the only Bible writer to use the word Antichrist.
So what? You continue to harp on that when the Christian world knows about the coming Antichrist. So in effect you do NOT believe God.