Israel or Palestine?

[crossnote]

so are you saying we should wait on God. or we should try to evangelise them now.. as we do the whole world. Knowing one day God will turn them, but we should not be slack waiting on that day?

Evangelize them by all means. Ruth Wardell (see Amazon) was a great example of this, a gentile woman using their own prophecies showing Jesus (yes, she used the name of Jesus back then) as their Messiah.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Not all of it does.. so get the facts before you make accusations against things you do not understand.

You find that no more discusting than I find God will not keep his eternal promise.. so think of it both ways!

God does keep his end of the bargain. Dispensationalism accuses God of having promised a savior for the Jews, yet it isn't provided to them as their salvation is through obedience (which is unscriptural, grace saves in the Old Covenants and the New).

 

[zone]

1) still to this day DC is floating bills to arrest even the talking of this.

2) Yes but you know parroting has been just fine up until now but please did he quote from wally Shoebot?

3) Can we be sweethearts about it. We are aware of his devises.
​This generation has been taught if you dont smile like a tv evangelist your not the real deal.

1)
as i said....we ought to wonder when someone needs to legislate what can and can not be discussed.
these have something to hide, and it is huge. no price is too high to keep it covered.

but, everything done in the dark will be made manifest. sooner or later.
if we don't care about the truth, i don't know what we care about.

2)
lol...yes....walid the poster-boy fake ex-terrorist.
central casting is pathetic, but it doesn't take much.

3)
central casting is pathetic, but it doesn't take much.

 

[Abiding]

still though, i can't pretend there is not a tribal and cultural pressure to remain separate, according to the misguided belief in being chosen (saved) beloved outside of and sadly because of rejecting Jesus whom they are taught to believe was a false prophet.

rabbinic judaism is particularly problematic. for obvious reasons.
it is in the rabbi's interests to keep their people IN...away from anything that could reveal what many rabbis DO know...that Jesus WAS the messiah.

the Pharisees are still with us. we can't pretend they are not.

even secular jews have the same pressures, and the same ultimate mindset - however unconsciously it may reside, it's still there...they can't know of course that's it a terrible mistake, a horribly false religion.

and a terrifyingly deceptive belief - that God has somehow accepted anyone who rejects Jesus.

this is a far different problem from the one muslims face. it's easy for us to see how wrong islam is...but look how hard it seems to be for us to not even know who are the people of God!

and we say we believe the scriptures.

the bible doesn't deal with gentiles pagan religions other than to tell us they're all false and all lead to hell.

it does however make a very clear description of a religion and persons adhering to it who were the very specific enemies of Jesus and the prophets and the apostles.

yet today we are not say this!

I wonder if we made tiny points. Like start tidbit threads on issues noone would argue about.
Like the Israelites who crossbred with Edomites and such. In other words first get down to what
a ethnic jew even is. Spose youd have to start back at least to the Babylonian captivity. Get a grip
on what it means "your tradition that makes the word of God of none effect" "your fathers the devil"

Im just blabbing....but there has been so much misinformation taught in the churches ive been in
and they were the best. But the glib commentaries really taught me nothing. It wasnt so much that
i was lied to as it was that i was just given a 4 ounce bottle of similac that just curdled.

Oh while im babbling i was reading records last nite from the Carnagie library on the slave
trade. As well as the rum and ivory....etc and the names and such. Im sure you knew. Its just
so big. And am following the names a little more. And their associations with the founding Fathers
this is the only verse that keeps me from just saying noway each time i study more.

1 john 5:19We know that we are of God, and that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

 

[loveme1]

The greatest stride could be made if the world would quit pretending that Islam is a religion, and point out to those poor sorely deluded folks, that the followers of Muhammad are exactly that. A cult that follows the false prophet Muhammad alone. A cult not as much indoctrinated into what to believe, like that God would want anybody to prostrate themselves toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca five times a day, or run back and forth between al-Safa and al-Marwah the way the Arabian jinn-devil worshipers did, but far worse than that. The false prophet Muhammad filled his followers with complete resolve to DISbelieve the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, and DENY the Son of God, and REJECT His shed blood as articles of their faith in Muhammad alone.
For the world to quit pretending that Islam is a religion of peace, which is exactly contrary to the commandments of Muhammad, its 1400 year history, as well as present day reality.

Since the U.N. destroyed the protection of the Jewish State formerly enjoyed by Gaza residents, perhaps the first thing the U.N. should take responsibility for and do, is go in and rescue the satanically abused children of Gaza from their parents. Perhaps the most horrific example of child abuse in the history of mankind. Makes the Nazi youth movement look like a fun loving bunch of kids by comparison.

[video=youtube;l4d9HPw4a_k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4d9HPw4a_k[/video]

You are limiting all evil to islam which is blinding you.

 

[zone]

Quite frankly I find Dispensationalism to be rather disgusting. It seeks to establish two Gospels. Jews get saved by how well they obey the law, Christians by grace.

true.
worse than that...how well they obey the Law, minus Jesus.

situation critical - outreach to jews immediately needed.

no holds barred. why should we not be giving it all we've got? LAND?

Dear God....

if these anti-islam xtian zionist fanatics put half as much energy into caring for the salvation of these beautiful kids, The Lord would be well pleased, i am sure.

 

[crossnote]

God does keep his end of the bargain. Dispensationalism accuses God of having promised a savior for the Jews, yet it isn't provided to them as their salvation is through obedience (which is unscriptural, grace saves in the Old Covenants and the New).

again an unfair assessment.

 

[jimmydiggs]

again an unfair assessment.

Lies vs. truth does tend to be a bit of an uphill battle for lies, doesn't it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God does keep his end of the bargain. Dispensationalism accuses God of having promised a savior for the Jews, yet it isn't provided to them as their salvation is through obedience (which is unscriptural, grace saves in the Old Covenants and the New).

Um, again, before you go making false accusations like your sister there.

1. It does not promise them a savior. there savior already came 2000 years ago, you might know him, his name is Jesus, and he is called the christ.

2. It does not say they are saved by the works of the law..

there are a few forms of dispensationalism out there, Your fighting one of them. I AM NOT ONE OF THEM.

so unlike you sister, try to figure out what one believes before you condemn them

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Lies vs. truth does tend to be a bit of an uphill battle for lies, doesn't it.

well your lies about my belief will not support your false claims at all.

 

[Abiding]

I think anyone who truely understands scripture would look at it this way today.

1. There will be no peace in palestine or israel or whatever you want to call it. you have three religions who hate each other

2. All people (palestinains and jews) need Christ.

3. The only way to bring peace to the area is to bring them all to Christ (as if that would happen)

4. What God is going to do in the future has no bearing on what we need to be doing today, which is to spread the gospel to ALL people.

if we all thought like this, the silly bickering we have would disappear. because our minds would be focused on the hear and now.. and on the things which matter, bringing people to Christ.

Oh my i just had to backspace and pray. EG if you only knew.
I can say i agree with you if it was that simple. But things are not as they seem.

 

[crossnote]

we'll agree to disagree on those passages crossnote.
israel is spiritual or israel is of the flesh.

for they are not all israel who are of israel.

Romans 9:6
Well then, has God failed to fulfill his promise to Israel? No, for not all who are born into the nation of Israel are truly members of God's people!

even if jews today were ancient israelites (they're not), it's Christ alone, and Paul said they were able to receive mercy already in his day.

there's no gap theory allowed for in the texts at all.

not going to argue it with you though.

Yeah, well, I think the two of us agree we are nearly 180 deg. difference on this one issue

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Oh my i just had to backspace and pray. EG if you only knew.
I can say i agree with you if it was that simple. But things are not as they seem.

lol, stop listening to all the conspiracy theories, and you will see it is that simple.

Nothing is going on today that has not been going on for almost 4000 years now with the same people we are talking about..

It was ALL PROPHESIED.. so why are we so worried about it?

 

[crossnote]

Lies vs. truth does tend to be a bit of an uphill battle for lies, doesn't it.

Well sometimes truth takes a little deeper digging.

 

[zone]

Evangelize them by all means. Ruth Wardell (see Amazon) was a great example of this, a gentile woman using their own prophecies showing Jesus (yes, she used the name of Jesus back then) as their Messiah.

this is a good idea.
since there's nothing else.
at all.

there's just this:

Matthew 13
The Parable of the Weeds Explained
36Then he left the crowds and went into the house. And his disciples came to him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds of the field.” 37He answered, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38The field is the world, and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39and the enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the close of the age, and the reapers are angels. 40Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the close of the age. 41The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, 42and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear




the Pharisees understood that there were Two Ages to come.
the Messianic Age (Jesus came, they didn't receive Him), and the Age (or world to come) eternity.

when they rejected Him, they left themselves still waiting for the Messianic Age.

unfortunately, the only Age to Come is eternity - Judgment...then eternity.

there's no future 1,000 years...they missed it completely.

and then they devised an alternate plan to take it anyway....and Scofield was their delivery boy.
we helped.

we need to repent.

 

[zone]

Yeah, well, I think the two of us agree we are nearly 180 deg. difference on this one issue

that's okay.
i love you anyways.
maybe you'll see it if we can keep discussing it without it breaking down.

 

[Abiding]

Quite frankly I find Dispensationalism to be rather disgusting. It seeks to establish two Gospels. Jews get saved by how well they obey the law, Christians by grace.

And thats just step one.

 

[zone]

Not all of it does.. so get the facts before you make accusations against things you do not understand.

You find that no more discusting than I find God will not keep his eternal promise.. so think of it both ways!

Romans 9:6
Well then, has God failed to fulfill his promise to Israel? No, for not all who are born into the nation of Israel are truly members of God's people!

how clear does it need to be.

 

[Abiding]

lol, stop listening to all the conspiracy theories, and you will see it is that simple.

Nothing is going on today that has not been going on for almost 4000 years now with the same people we are talking about..

It was ALL PROPHESIED.. so why are we so worried about it?

I wasnt worried...i was absolutely convinced if i had just floated what i backspaced would burn the forum down.
EG the conspiracy comment is insulting unless you want to tell me what the conspiracy is your talking about.
There is a conspiracy going on tho. But like i told you look at what is happenning

Insults
cheap shots
sides taken
name calling

And not much at all has even been said yet.

 

[loveme1]

It is written:

Romans 9

[SUP]30 [/SUP]What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.[SUP]31 [/SUP]But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
[SUP]33 [/SUP]As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Whosoever Believe on Him shall not be ashamed!