It is True, Those Who Believe in Jesus Christ Do and Those Who Won't Don't.

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Do You Believe it is True, Those Who Believe in Jesus Christ Do and Those Who Won't Don't?


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Conformed

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#1
Some do believe and some won't.
 

Dino246

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Um... yeah. No, I won't be voting. The question is poorly constructed at best, and disregards the Scripture that states, "Instead he [God] is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."

The question makes it sound like nobody else will ever believe in Christ. That's ridiculous.
 

glf

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#5
1 Cor 1: 26:
For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
Mt 20: 16:
So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
JN 16: 8-9:
And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me;
2 Cor 7: 10:
For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
Many are called by the Holy Spirit when a member of the church presents the gospel to them. Those that hear the word of the Lord are convicted of the Holy Spirit of their sin. When they respond with a sorrow of the word, they turn away from the Spirit in guilt. Those who respond to the Spirit's conviction, turn to the Lord in repentance and obtain forgiveness,and the gift of the Holy Spirit, who indwells them.

Regarding predestination, the Lord knows the end from the beginning, and those who turn to him in repentance as a group are predestinated to be chosen as per Rom 8: 29-30:
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Regarding predestination of eveery act or thought itself we see in Jam 1: 13-15:
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
And like the verse above in 1 Cor 10: 6-13:
Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer. Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

We are at war with sin in which the battle ground is in our own minds as we are enticed by our lusts.
Rom 8: 6:
For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
2 Cor 4-10: 4-5:
(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
So, here we see that we have powerful tools in our war against sin that allows us to pull down sin's strongholds in our minds. These are sins that we have in our past given ourselves to do. These are the areas that the evil one's minion use to attack us. For example, while in church an evil thought of a past fight or a lust of the flesh comes to our mind out of the blue. That isn't a sin, it's probably an attack from the evil one or an association regarding that past behavior. Taking that thought and mulling over it, allowing it to entice, is a sin that will lead to past behaviors. Who is ever told to not look down and you don't atomatically look down? So, rather than trying not to think of an enticement as it happens, rather go over a memory verse in you mind instead! Or get into the scripture. We're told in scripture above, "to be caarnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace."
in Pr 6:2 we're told:
Thou art snared with the words of thy mouth, thou art taken with the words of thy mouth.
Lets ensnare ourselves with God's word for good! Lets resist the thought that leads us to temptation by speaking the word of the Lord to ourselves.
Jam 4: 7:
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

The evil one and his minion will learn that his temptation attacks will cause you to turn to the Lord's word and will not only leave you, but he will flee. That we resist him is too much for him to handle and his ego will make him to run away to easier targets.
 

Blade

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#6
When you read something and then have to ask .. did I write that? haha.. just playing yet not.

For me more posts just made this more confusing. If you were blind you would no sin. You say you see your sin remains. I don't know of any that KNOW Him like those in Heaven.. as Satan does that he can turn around and leave. No one here knows Him like that .. in all His power and glory. We all know belief is the real truth right and all those others well there kinda off or deceived or just false or evil right?

So.. whats the question
 

Conformed

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#7
Um... yeah. No, I won't be voting. The question is poorly constructed at best, and disregards the Scripture that states, "Instead he [God] is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."

The question makes it sound like nobody else will ever believe in Christ. That's ridiculous.
Not everyone comes to repentance.
 

homwardbound

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Some do believe and some won't.

yet God continues in the call for us all, died once for us all for us all to turn to God willingly not ever by having to or else attitudes, thank you
The main part the new life offered is in the risen Son for us to be new in love and mercy too, to all too, seeing Christ died once for all Hebrews 10:10
 

Conformed

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yet God continues in the call for us all, died once for us all for us all to turn to God willingly not ever by having to or else attitudes, thank you
The main part the new life offered is in the risen Son for us to be new in love and mercy too, to all too, seeing Christ died once for all Hebrews 10:10
Matthew 26:28
For this is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many unto remission of sins.
 

homwardbound

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Matthew 26:28
For this is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many unto remission of sins.
As is done once for us all to choose, not have to choose or else, just to choose to see God is love as in 1 Cor 13:4-7, to appreciate this love so deeply, one see to simply trust in everything that happens to thee, this is what I see after a long journey here on earth going through troubles as all have and do go through them too. Or not, with those that do not believe God or care to believe God, just want what is here and now
A good excerpt of that in the movie "God is not dead" With the mother and son scene, if you have seen that movie. I watch to get "Gold nuggets" from movies and shows "Gold Nuggets" as in "Magnum force" when Clint says " a man has got to know his own limitations"
That is a "Gold Nugget" to me Glad you are a believer in the risen Son too, thank you, I assume
 

wattie

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#12
yeah its a popular saying but little to do with scripture.

So following Gods will is the 'do'

Well is this a set of commands..or firstly:

John 6:40 KJV - And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

It is not a set of commands to follow but initially believing on Jesus Christ.

From this point we are then enabled to follow His commands. But its not a guarantee we will.
 

homwardbound

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yeah its a popular saying but little to do with scripture.

So following Gods will is the 'do'

Well is this a set of commands..or firstly:

John 6:40 KJV - And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

It is not a set of commands to follow but initially believing on Jesus Christ.

From this point we are then enabled to follow His commands. But its not a guarantee we will.
No it is not, yet it is the Law of Love, charity

Authorized (King James) Version

Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
 

posthuman

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#14
Some do believe and some won't.
Romans 8:30​
whom He predestined, these He also called;
whom He called, these He also justified;
and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
 

posthuman

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Determinism is a waste product of philosophy.
concerning the nature of the physical universe, quantum physics has taught mankind that it is only possible for God, and God alone, to fully predict any outcome.

Romans 1:20​
since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead
Proverbs 16:33
The lot is cast into the lap; but the whole disposing thereof is of the LORD.
 

homwardbound

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Romans 8:30​
whom He predestined, these He also called;
whom He called, these He also justified;
and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
As this mercy from God is still continuing forward presently, not knowing the time, day or year when it will all come to an end. Best answer for me is to trust God Father in risen Son and not quit, even though troubles happen to us all to get anyone to quit
I see the book of Job daily, for me to see to remember no matter what: see to not quit, see to not deny God no matter what is going on in past, present or future to remain free sincerely. Our minds in emotions do lead and beset us all, time to put emotions where they belong to follow not lead anymore, thank you Father