I've bloody never heard of it.
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I think it’s basically the idea that the word “grace “ is salvation rather than what Jesus said salvstion is. The idea that grace erases everything that Jesus said is meant to be believed for salvation
that’s only my own idea of what it means though we all seem to have slightly different ideas of what every word means
The "somebody" you mention is the "somebody" who can send you deep into the netherlands of the interweb........far, far, from Christian Chat....
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Hypergrace is essentially once saved always saved on steroids. Even if we sin God doesn't see it. If we're under "grace," God sees us as Jesus, free from sin, even if we don't acknowledge our sin. In fact, there's no need to even try to live a holy life. It takes away all personal responsibility for sin. The video below is very good.
This is a great topic, worthy of discussion. I hope it doesn't get closed or removed.
Thanks for the clarification.
HG seems to fly in the face of Christ's example in the Lord's Prayer: "forgive us our trespasses."
2 Corinthians 3:18 says: "But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord."
Hypergrace teaches that we are already made into His image when we say the sinner's prayer. This is akin to the teaching of the "great exchange" which basically says the same thing.
1 John 3:2 says: "Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is."
And 1 Corinthians 13:12: "For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known."
We are not now "little Christs." This is a huge misconception. We are, with the Holy Spirit's help, being made into the likeness of Christ; but we won't be completely transformed until we have put on immortality.
Hypergrace teaches that we are already made into His image when we say the sinner's prayer. This is akin to the teaching of the "great exchange" which basically says the same thing.
1 John 3:2 says: "Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is."
And 1 Corinthians 13:12: "For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known."
We are not now "little Christs." This is a huge misconception. We are, with the Holy Spirit's help, being made into the likeness of Christ; but we won't be completely transformed until we have put on immortality.
It's a newish term for those who believe we have a 'licence to sin'.
Which is wrong. See Romans 6:1 & 6:15
It's a bit like OSAS on steroids.
I had never heard of it either, before I first visited this site a few years ago.
F.Y.I.
(because some just do not believe)
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I have given you 7 reasons why this topic is not good for CC Thread and I have yet to find one reason for it.
Admin and the moderators will no longer allow this to continue . And appropriate action will be taken if a member or guest starts a topic on "hyper grace " or Preachers who teach it. remember those who attack each other many of them call themselves christians yet we eat and devour each other. enough is enough. I am not going to dress you personally at this time... You have an opportunity to let it go or CC Admin and Moderators will take action.
God bless,
very respectfully,
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(ya would think some would catch on, right?)
(because some just do not believe)
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I have given you 7 reasons why this topic is not good for CC Thread and I have yet to find one reason for it.
Admin and the moderators will no longer allow this to continue . And appropriate action will be taken if a member or guest starts a topic on "hyper grace " or Preachers who teach it. remember those who attack each other many of them call themselves christians yet we eat and devour each other. enough is enough. I am not going to dress you personally at this time... You have an opportunity to let it go or CC Admin and Moderators will take action.
God bless,
very respectfully,
CS1
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(ya would think some would catch on, right?)
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was just gonna post it myself
we are both veterans of the great Hyper Grace wars
uh uh...no no topic
then again, let the chips fall.
I thing one component is that you never repent.
The reason they say is that all your sins are forgiven in advance.
Then they oppose any notion that we walk out and work out salvation.
You Just get saved and slide into the kingdom.
Hyper grace is a slippery slope because if you er, it is best to er in the realm of love and grace.
And so their error is error by emphasis.
I disagree with the level of paranoia over hypergrace.
Bring correction. But banning people like they did "Grace777" hurt the board in my opinion.
I liked him more than anyone here.
And so their error is error by emphasis.
I disagree with the level of paranoia over hypergrace.
Bring correction. But banning people like they did "Grace777" hurt the board in my opinion.
I liked him more than anyone here.
Wow. You just described . . . exactly . . . my old belief system. In fact, it was this form of grace that allowed me to bypass ALL scripture that dealt with submission, obedience, and sharing the Gospel (which is good that I didn't really do it, because I was clueless) . . . and like you said, that form of Grace allowed me to be a hardcore alcoholic, strip-clubber, porn-addicted, sailor-swearing and overall piece of crap citizen. Yet incredibly, I taught and believed that . . . "Nothing can separate me from the Love of God! I'm Eternally Saved regardless of what I do, say, or think!"
While on my continual hunt for additional women to "engage" with, and when the matter of Christianity would arise and they'd ask if I believe in sex before marriage, I taught them that even though it was sin, Christ died and paid for those sins. Incredibly, many "christian" women fell to my former sexual prowess. Unbelievable. I was truly one sick dude.
Bingo. I never turned away from my sin, but because of my "hyper-grace" beliefs, I fell even deeper into it. Amazing.
I'm happy for you. Thanks to the Lord for opening your eyes!
It's like the HG teachers in the video say: When we sin it's not us, it's the flesh. So a person can sin all they want and simply confess, "I'm not a sinner, my flesh is."
"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."—1 John 1:8
But you may ask yourself: Why would this doctrine be introduced in the first place; and what is its attraction? In my own personal opinion there's one main reason: $$$.
Think about it: If I'm the leader of a church, and I want as many tithers (and potential consumers of books and other material) in the seats as possible, how do I get them in the church? A very simple and attractive way is to tell people their sin doesn't matter. In fact, a person can sin all they want and remain a member in good standing.
But is this God's design for the body? Not really:
"Therefore 'put away from yourselves the evil person.' "—1 Corinthians 5:13
Think about it: If I'm the leader of a church, and I want as many tithers (and potential consumers of books and other material) in the seats as possible, how do I get them in the church? A very simple and attractive way is to tell people their sin doesn't matter. In fact, a person can sin all they want and remain a member in good standing.
But is this God's design for the body? Not really:
"Therefore 'put away from yourselves the evil person.' "—1 Corinthians 5:13
uh oh
looks like I've missed another hot topic discussion
no I think you probably didn’t read the forum rules regarding hyper grace preachers I don’t think it regards a discussion but what the forum rules have to say