Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated
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AboundingGrace
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In context, I believe that "love" and "hate" are covenant words, not emotion or attitude words. To be in covenant with God required those of the old testament to be very action oriented. One action was the birthright. Esau held it lightly, he craved food as the more important thing, while Jacob craved the birthright, hence the covenant relationship blessing, like a person drowning craves his next breath.
"How great a love the Father has bestowed upon us, that we should be called the children of God." 1 Jn.3:1.
Ishmeal (by Hagar) was already present when God told Abraham to take his only son (meaning Isaac) and offer him and so of the two Isaac is counted as the firstborn. The promises were to Abraham and his seed (as of one) which is Jesus Christ, not of seeds (as of many) that which was born first (is after the flesh) that which some after of the Spirit (by promise) Christ is the seed of promise (behold I send the promise of my Father "upon you") therefore we like Isaac was are children of the promise, Sarah saying, "cast out the bondwoman and her son" pertains to what was first.
Even if Ishmeal come first (after the flesh) being children of the flesh (even of the seed of Abraham after the flesh) the children of the promise are counted for the seed, and Isaac points to that (the Father puts the wood on his son) is a type in Christ (and receiving him back) accounting that God could raise him from the dead in such an act of faith.
Missed this, I would sell my time share my dad is leaving me to my sister, I dont want it.
No, really I would just give it to her, I dont like to travel
Brothers and Sisters,
God is love.
God loved Jacob,
God loved Esau.
But God loved Jacob more than Esau.
The word "hate" is greatly misunderstood in our modern times, I have heard somewhere that it means in this context "to love less".
What is hate?
God is love.......Satan is no love, absolute zero, "pure hate'
God is reason....Satan is without reason (like a wild animal)
God is order......Satan is chaos
God is mercy.....Satan is no mercy
Etc.
We life in a world with both.
Esau was still blessed after God said this about him, God still loved him.
God is love.
God loved Jacob,
God loved Esau.
But God loved Jacob more than Esau.
The word "hate" is greatly misunderstood in our modern times, I have heard somewhere that it means in this context "to love less".
What is hate?
God is love.......Satan is no love, absolute zero, "pure hate'
God is reason....Satan is without reason (like a wild animal)
God is order......Satan is chaos
God is mercy.....Satan is no mercy
Etc.
We life in a world with both.
Esau was still blessed after God said this about him, God still loved him.
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prodigal
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luke 14:26
King James Bible
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
King James Bible
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
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coby2
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This is what God hates:
if you're lukewarm I will spit you out of My mouth.
Esau was more interested in his food than God.
Pursue peace with all*people,*and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord:*15*looking carefully lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled;16*lest there*be*any fornicator or profane person like Esau, who for one morsel of food sold his birthright.*17*For you know that afterward, when he wanted to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no place for repentance, though he sought it diligently with tears.
if you're lukewarm I will spit you out of My mouth.
Esau was more interested in his food than God.
Pursue peace with all*people,*and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord:*15*looking carefully lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled;16*lest there*be*any fornicator or profane person like Esau, who for one morsel of food sold his birthright.*17*For you know that afterward, when he wanted to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no place for repentance, though he sought it diligently with tears.
Isaac had twin sons, Esau and Jacob. Esau was the firstborn, and therefore the legal inheritor
of the birthright. But Esau undervalued it and sold it to Jacob.
God had chosen Jacob to possess these promises before the twins were born. But Jacob, influenced by
his mother instead of waiting on the Eternal, resorted to deception and took it from Esau.
The Eternal had said to Rebekah, regarding Esau and Jacob, that they were the beginning of two
nations“two manner of people…the one people shall be stronger than the other people,” said God, “
and the elder shall serve the younger” (Genesis 25:23).
Their descendants, then, were to become two different types of people. The story of Jacob’s premature
and deceptive acquisition of the birthright continues, in Genesis 25:27-34.
“And the boys grew: and Esau was a cunning hunter, a man of the field; and Jacob was a plain man, dwelling
in tents.And Isaac loved Esau, because he did eat of his venison: but Rebekah loved Jacob. And Jacob sod pottage
[boiled porridgeFenton’s translation]: and Esau came from the field, and he was faint: And Esau said to Jacob, Feed me,
I pray thee, with that same red pottage; for I am faint: therefore was his name called Edom.”
“Edom” means, literally, “red soup,” and is so translated in the Fenton version. remember
the fact that “Edom” refers to Esau. Many prophecies pertaining to the present and future employ the name Edom.
they refer to the descendants of Esau, primarily the Turkish nation today.
“And Jacob said, Sell me this day thy birthright. And Esau said, Behold, I am at the point to die: and what profit shall
this birthright do to me? And Jacob said, Swear to me this day; and he sware unto him: and he sold his birthright unto
Jacob. Then Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentiles; and he did eat and drink, and rose up, and went his way:
-thus Esau [despised his birthright], that would be why God hated him, even with repentance
Later, Jacob subtly took from Esau his blessing.
-
It was at a time when Isaac was old, his eyesight dimmed with age. Nearing the end of his life,
he called Esau and requested that he go to the field and hunt for venison, prepare it and bring
it to him. He would then bestow the blessing confirming the birthright.
But Rebekah overheard, and sent Jacob quickly for two kids of the goats. These she prepared
in the same tempting way that Isaac loved his venison. Then she took some of Esau’s clothes
and put them on Jacob. Now Esau was very hairy, while Jacob was smooth, so Rebekah carefully
placed the skins of the two kids upon Jacob’s hands, arms, and smooth part of his neck.
In this disguise, with his imitation venison, Jacob went in to receive his father’s blessing.
“And Jacob said unto his father, I am Esau thy firstborn?…” (Genesis 27:19).
Isaac was surprised he had found the venison so quickly and became suspicious. Jacob lied again,
asserting the Eternal had brought the venison to him. Isaac detected the voice was that of Jacob.
“And Isaac said unto Jacob, Come near, I pray thee, that I may feel thee, my son, whether thou
be my very son Esau or not. And Jacob went near unto Isaac his father; and he felt him, and said,
The voice is Jacob’s voice, but the hands are the hands of Esau. And he discerned him not,
because his hands were hairy, as his brother Esau’s hands: so he blessed him” (verses 21-23).
-What the Birthright Included that Esau sold for dirt cheap
The spiritual promises—the promises of the “one seed,” Christ,
and of salvation through Him—the Bible calls the scepter.
But the material and national promises relating to many nations, national wealth,
prosperity and power, and possession of the Holy Land, the Bible calls the birthright.
“Birthright: native right or privilege”—Standard Dictionary; “any right acquired by birth”—Webster’s.
A birthright is something which is one’s right, by birth. It has nothing to do with grace, which is unmerited
pardon and a free gift which is not one’s right. It has to do with race, not grace. Birthright possessions are
customarily passed down from father to eldest son unless devine intervention..
“Scepter: kingly office; royal power; badge of command or sovereignty”—Standard Dictionary.
The promised kingly line culminates in Christ, and involves grace to all.
Both the birthright and the scepter were repromised by the Eternal to Isaac and to Jacob,
from that point on these two sets of promises became separated!
The scepter promises of the kingly line culminating in Christ, and of grace through Him,
were handed on to Judah, son of Jacob and father of all Jews.
the birthright promises were never given to the Jews!
Let that be repeated! The birthright promises were never given to the Jews!
“The sceptre shall not depart from Judah?…” (Genesis 49:10).
“ut the birthright was Joseph’s” (1 Chronicles 5:2).
-
“And his father Isaac said unto him, Come near now, and kiss me, my son. And he came near,
and kissed him: and he smelled the smell of his raiment, and blessed him, and said, See,
the smell of my son is as the smell of a field which the [Eternal] hath blessed:
Therefore God give thee of the dew of heaven, and the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine [Fenton’s: increase and possession]: Let people serve thee, and nations bow down to thee: be lord over thy brethren, and let
thy mother’s sons bow down to thee: cursed be every one that curseth thee, and blessed be he that blesseth thee”
Materialistic promises, national in nature, every one! Not one of them pertaining to salvation.
None having to do with life after death. Nothing spiritual here! All pertaining purely to this present fleshly life!
National prosperity—rainfall, plenty of corn and wine, the fatness of the earth, or, as the margin reads,
the fat places of the earth—increase and possession. “Nations shall bow down to thee!” “Let people serve thee.”
When Esau returned and found how Jacob had supplanted him, he was very bitter. He pleaded
for a blessing, too. But Isaac could not retract the blessing given to Jacob. So he passed on to
Esau the following prophecy:
“Behold, thy dwelling shall be [correct translation: away from] the fatness of the earth, and of the
dew of heaven from above; And by thy sword shalt thou live, and shalt serve thy brother; and it shall c
ome to pass when thou shalt have the dominion, that thou shalt break his yoke from off thy neck. [a future event]
And Esau hated Jacob?…” (verses 39-41).
In verse 39, quoted above, the Hebrew preposition min should be translated “from” or “away from,” not “of.”
Actually, the prophesied lot of Esau was more of a curse than a blessing.
The Revised Standard Version translates it: “Behold, away from the fatness of the earth shall
your dwelling be, and away from the dew of heaven on high.” Moffatt renders it: “Far from rich
soil on earth shall you live, far from the dew of heaven on high.” Actually, the Hebrew words
convey the dual meaning, and both have happened to Esau’s descendants.
now Prophecy for Turkey
The sparse records of history, with other proofs, show that many of the descendants of Esau
became known as Turks. Therefore we must remember that prophecies pertaining to the latter
days referring to Edom, or Esau, refer generally to the Turkish nation.
In Isaac’s dying prophecy, he foretold that Esau’s descendants would come to a time when they
should have dominion, and then break the yoke of the Israelites from off their necks. That has
happened. The children of Israel, through sin, were driven out of the Promised Land that belonged
with the birthright. The Turks came to power and dominion and for many centuries possessed that land.
Those descendants, the Turkish people, occupied Palestine 400 years before Britain took it
in 1917. Esau’s descendants always have lusted for that land, central promise of the birthright!
The Turks have truly lived by the sword!
But let’s return to our story. Before Jacob was born, God had spoken to his mother and revealed
to her that Jacob should receive the birthright. Instead, however, of waiting for the Eternal to
bring this about in His own way, she schemed with Jacob to take it by lying and deception.
There is a lesson here for us today. As Isaac is, in a sense, a type of Christ, so Rebekah is,
in a sense, a type of the Church, in which still dwells weakness and carnality.
Sometimes we become too much in a hurry. We ask the Almighty for things He has promised
in His Word. Then we try to dictate to Him just how and when it shall be accomplished!
We need to learn to “wait upon the Lord.” He always does things in His way, and in His
own time. And He distinctly tells us that His ways are not our ways! Once we commit a
thing to the Almighty, let us have not only the trust, but the respect, for the One so great,
that we will leave the matter in His hands.
Had Jacob trusted the Eternal instead of taking this into his own hands in a wrong way,
the birthright would have come to him more honorably. Under the circumstances, Jacob,
which name means “supplanter,” had far more difficulty securing God’s blessing upon
the precious possession than his predecessors.
But after years of trial and test—after finally wrestling all night with the angel (Genesis 32:24-29)—after confessing
his name as “supplanter”—God bestowed His blessing upon Jacob, took away his reproachful name, and gave him
a new, untainted name, Israel—which means “prevailer,” or “overcomer with God.”
of the birthright. But Esau undervalued it and sold it to Jacob.
God had chosen Jacob to possess these promises before the twins were born. But Jacob, influenced by
his mother instead of waiting on the Eternal, resorted to deception and took it from Esau.
The Eternal had said to Rebekah, regarding Esau and Jacob, that they were the beginning of two
nations“two manner of people…the one people shall be stronger than the other people,” said God, “
and the elder shall serve the younger” (Genesis 25:23).
Their descendants, then, were to become two different types of people. The story of Jacob’s premature
and deceptive acquisition of the birthright continues, in Genesis 25:27-34.
“And the boys grew: and Esau was a cunning hunter, a man of the field; and Jacob was a plain man, dwelling
in tents.And Isaac loved Esau, because he did eat of his venison: but Rebekah loved Jacob. And Jacob sod pottage
[boiled porridgeFenton’s translation]: and Esau came from the field, and he was faint: And Esau said to Jacob, Feed me,
I pray thee, with that same red pottage; for I am faint: therefore was his name called Edom.”
“Edom” means, literally, “red soup,” and is so translated in the Fenton version. remember
the fact that “Edom” refers to Esau. Many prophecies pertaining to the present and future employ the name Edom.
they refer to the descendants of Esau, primarily the Turkish nation today.
“And Jacob said, Sell me this day thy birthright. And Esau said, Behold, I am at the point to die: and what profit shall
this birthright do to me? And Jacob said, Swear to me this day; and he sware unto him: and he sold his birthright unto
Jacob. Then Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentiles; and he did eat and drink, and rose up, and went his way:
-thus Esau [despised his birthright], that would be why God hated him, even with repentance
Later, Jacob subtly took from Esau his blessing.
-
It was at a time when Isaac was old, his eyesight dimmed with age. Nearing the end of his life,
he called Esau and requested that he go to the field and hunt for venison, prepare it and bring
it to him. He would then bestow the blessing confirming the birthright.
But Rebekah overheard, and sent Jacob quickly for two kids of the goats. These she prepared
in the same tempting way that Isaac loved his venison. Then she took some of Esau’s clothes
and put them on Jacob. Now Esau was very hairy, while Jacob was smooth, so Rebekah carefully
placed the skins of the two kids upon Jacob’s hands, arms, and smooth part of his neck.
In this disguise, with his imitation venison, Jacob went in to receive his father’s blessing.
“And Jacob said unto his father, I am Esau thy firstborn?…” (Genesis 27:19).
Isaac was surprised he had found the venison so quickly and became suspicious. Jacob lied again,
asserting the Eternal had brought the venison to him. Isaac detected the voice was that of Jacob.
“And Isaac said unto Jacob, Come near, I pray thee, that I may feel thee, my son, whether thou
be my very son Esau or not. And Jacob went near unto Isaac his father; and he felt him, and said,
The voice is Jacob’s voice, but the hands are the hands of Esau. And he discerned him not,
because his hands were hairy, as his brother Esau’s hands: so he blessed him” (verses 21-23).
-What the Birthright Included that Esau sold for dirt cheap
The spiritual promises—the promises of the “one seed,” Christ,
and of salvation through Him—the Bible calls the scepter.
But the material and national promises relating to many nations, national wealth,
prosperity and power, and possession of the Holy Land, the Bible calls the birthright.
“Birthright: native right or privilege”—Standard Dictionary; “any right acquired by birth”—Webster’s.
A birthright is something which is one’s right, by birth. It has nothing to do with grace, which is unmerited
pardon and a free gift which is not one’s right. It has to do with race, not grace. Birthright possessions are
customarily passed down from father to eldest son unless devine intervention..
“Scepter: kingly office; royal power; badge of command or sovereignty”—Standard Dictionary.
The promised kingly line culminates in Christ, and involves grace to all.
Both the birthright and the scepter were repromised by the Eternal to Isaac and to Jacob,
from that point on these two sets of promises became separated!
The scepter promises of the kingly line culminating in Christ, and of grace through Him,
were handed on to Judah, son of Jacob and father of all Jews.
the birthright promises were never given to the Jews!
Let that be repeated! The birthright promises were never given to the Jews!
“The sceptre shall not depart from Judah?…” (Genesis 49:10).
“ut the birthright was Joseph’s” (1 Chronicles 5:2).
-
“And his father Isaac said unto him, Come near now, and kiss me, my son. And he came near,
and kissed him: and he smelled the smell of his raiment, and blessed him, and said, See,
the smell of my son is as the smell of a field which the [Eternal] hath blessed:
Therefore God give thee of the dew of heaven, and the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine [Fenton’s: increase and possession]: Let people serve thee, and nations bow down to thee: be lord over thy brethren, and let
thy mother’s sons bow down to thee: cursed be every one that curseth thee, and blessed be he that blesseth thee”
Materialistic promises, national in nature, every one! Not one of them pertaining to salvation.
None having to do with life after death. Nothing spiritual here! All pertaining purely to this present fleshly life!
National prosperity—rainfall, plenty of corn and wine, the fatness of the earth, or, as the margin reads,
the fat places of the earth—increase and possession. “Nations shall bow down to thee!” “Let people serve thee.”
When Esau returned and found how Jacob had supplanted him, he was very bitter. He pleaded
for a blessing, too. But Isaac could not retract the blessing given to Jacob. So he passed on to
Esau the following prophecy:
“Behold, thy dwelling shall be [correct translation: away from] the fatness of the earth, and of the
dew of heaven from above; And by thy sword shalt thou live, and shalt serve thy brother; and it shall c
ome to pass when thou shalt have the dominion, that thou shalt break his yoke from off thy neck. [a future event]
And Esau hated Jacob?…” (verses 39-41).
In verse 39, quoted above, the Hebrew preposition min should be translated “from” or “away from,” not “of.”
Actually, the prophesied lot of Esau was more of a curse than a blessing.
The Revised Standard Version translates it: “Behold, away from the fatness of the earth shall
your dwelling be, and away from the dew of heaven on high.” Moffatt renders it: “Far from rich
soil on earth shall you live, far from the dew of heaven on high.” Actually, the Hebrew words
convey the dual meaning, and both have happened to Esau’s descendants.
now Prophecy for Turkey
The sparse records of history, with other proofs, show that many of the descendants of Esau
became known as Turks. Therefore we must remember that prophecies pertaining to the latter
days referring to Edom, or Esau, refer generally to the Turkish nation.
In Isaac’s dying prophecy, he foretold that Esau’s descendants would come to a time when they
should have dominion, and then break the yoke of the Israelites from off their necks. That has
happened. The children of Israel, through sin, were driven out of the Promised Land that belonged
with the birthright. The Turks came to power and dominion and for many centuries possessed that land.
Those descendants, the Turkish people, occupied Palestine 400 years before Britain took it
in 1917. Esau’s descendants always have lusted for that land, central promise of the birthright!
The Turks have truly lived by the sword!
But let’s return to our story. Before Jacob was born, God had spoken to his mother and revealed
to her that Jacob should receive the birthright. Instead, however, of waiting for the Eternal to
bring this about in His own way, she schemed with Jacob to take it by lying and deception.
There is a lesson here for us today. As Isaac is, in a sense, a type of Christ, so Rebekah is,
in a sense, a type of the Church, in which still dwells weakness and carnality.
Sometimes we become too much in a hurry. We ask the Almighty for things He has promised
in His Word. Then we try to dictate to Him just how and when it shall be accomplished!
We need to learn to “wait upon the Lord.” He always does things in His way, and in His
own time. And He distinctly tells us that His ways are not our ways! Once we commit a
thing to the Almighty, let us have not only the trust, but the respect, for the One so great,
that we will leave the matter in His hands.
Had Jacob trusted the Eternal instead of taking this into his own hands in a wrong way,
the birthright would have come to him more honorably. Under the circumstances, Jacob,
which name means “supplanter,” had far more difficulty securing God’s blessing upon
the precious possession than his predecessors.
But after years of trial and test—after finally wrestling all night with the angel (Genesis 32:24-29)—after confessing
his name as “supplanter”—God bestowed His blessing upon Jacob, took away his reproachful name, and gave him
a new, untainted name, Israel—which means “prevailer,” or “overcomer with God.”
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RobbyEarl
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It is simple, God knew Esau from the womb and Jacob from the womb. Which puts abortion to shame. God knew the works of Esau and the works of Jacob before they were born.
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RobbyEarl
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11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the
purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)
12It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
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RobbyEarl
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RobbyEarl
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5 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
King James Version (KJV)
King James Version (KJV)
Where do you get Israel wrestled with an angel from? According to the scriptures you referenced, in Genesis 32:24 "And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.
From the sound of it seems like Jacob not only got in a wrestling match with Ole Jesus but got him in a figure four leg lock, which is a submission hold you know, since in Genesis 32:25 it is written that "And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; " Now who do you know who could have used the 'laying on of hands"? JESUS!
And in Genesis 32:26 it is evident that it was a submission hold since Jesus pleaded for Jacob to release the hold.
"And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh..." So what other submission hold could have it been that would have let Jesus reach out and touch his thigh? And in a classic Jacob move he tells Jesus "...and he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me. " (Recall how he made his starving brother give up his birthright for something to eat.)
Thus in Genesis 32:27-28 it is written, "And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob." to which Jesus replied "And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed." See it is written in the Bible that "thou has power with God* and with men" just like it is written about Esau.
*Recall what is written in John 8:17-18
17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
So why did Jacob ask for his name in verse 29, if thou canst tell?
And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name?
Now, this is just my interpretation but I believe you will find the answer in Joel 2:32, hence it is written, "And he blessed him there."
And in conclusion in verse 30. And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: This probably should have read "Pen I Elohim" but regardless, the Bible says that Jacob seen God face to face and lived tell the tale, for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. Now Jacob wouldn't lie would he?
Yet as far as the question of whether the LORD hated Esau, seeing that the Prophet who said the LORD said He hated Esau also said the burden of the LORD, then one might consider that which is written in Jeremiah 23:36-40.
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eternally-gratefull
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Rom 9 does not support the fatalistic view.
And God does not hate babies
1. As for this passage, a quote from Malachi, Jacob (Israel) I loved, Esau (edom) I hated.
God did not say he hated a baby, he said he loved a nation,
2. Love hate. In hebrew, it Hate does not always mean hate, it can also mean love less. Ie, Jacob, I loved more than I loved esau. Or Esau I loved less. We have NT equivalent, when God tells us we must hate our parents children and spouses if we are to enter the kingdom.. No one would be lieve this, Jesus meant, Love them less than him, put him first.
3. God told their mother, Two nations are in your womb, One will serve the other..
God put Jacob first, because his son would come from them.
Paul is fighting jews who thought because they were born of Abraham they were automatically in. Paul is telling the truth, that is not true, God did not make a mistake choosing Israel however.
And God does not hate babies
1. As for this passage, a quote from Malachi, Jacob (Israel) I loved, Esau (edom) I hated.
God did not say he hated a baby, he said he loved a nation,
2. Love hate. In hebrew, it Hate does not always mean hate, it can also mean love less. Ie, Jacob, I loved more than I loved esau. Or Esau I loved less. We have NT equivalent, when God tells us we must hate our parents children and spouses if we are to enter the kingdom.. No one would be lieve this, Jesus meant, Love them less than him, put him first.
3. God told their mother, Two nations are in your womb, One will serve the other..
God put Jacob first, because his son would come from them.
Paul is fighting jews who thought because they were born of Abraham they were automatically in. Paul is telling the truth, that is not true, God did not make a mistake choosing Israel however.