Jehova's Witness Beliefs?

[slave]

Joseph started this final out right with John1:1-5 let's continue the train of thought...
John 1:14 And the word was made flesh; and dwelt amongst us, and we beheld his Glory, the Glory as of the only begotten of the Father full of Grace and truth.

Then John 10:30 I and [my] Father are one.

Then Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born unto us a son is given: And the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

And then John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto Him my Lord and God.

 

[slave]

Again The trinity is a tricky little bug-gar huh? smile.

 

[slave]

Just remember the answers are in there. Whether we see it clearly or not. But Jesus always replied, and I might add at weird moments...WHO DO YOU SAY THAT I AM?

This tug-owar that Satan thinks God and He are in is over the Heart.Where we sit our Heart at night is the issue to it all. and Where we sit our heart goes the feet. and what our feet do we will be judged by.Not by works attempting to merit heaven but by whether or not we understood God when He sent the ten commandments to have us realize we could never do it on our own behavior. Only by resting our hearts on things already accomplished in Christ will we live to see another day past this earth. For Death travels after anyone who is not with Him.

And by the way Satan has already lost the tug-o-war and He knows it. But the chapter of winning OUR souls has yet to be played out. God has won that too. But are we smart enough to simply pick that up? That remains to be seen in all of us.

First we need to figure out it is that simple ...then we need to run the race to win it...in that we use that relationship with God in this life to play out that chapter ending in our Eternal reward with God ....forever. I'll take cotton candy over fire-balls anyway!

But thats not the here and now thats the after.

 

[oldhermit]

Again The trinity is a tricky little bug-gar huh? smile.

Over the past two centuries, four major theological theories have surfaced that have attempted to either explain the unity of one God or to refute or at least minimize the idea of triadic unity altogether. These are Monotheism (which is divided into two camps – Adoptionism and Modalism), Unitarianism, Tritheism, and Trinitarianism. To me, these terms are quite irrelevant. It really is not important what difference or similarities may exist between these four theological theories. it is only that we try to understanding how the Word of God represents the Triadic Unity without regard to any human classifications. The difficulty I see is in trying to find a word in our theological lexicon that will somehow correspond to how scripture defines the nature of God. I am not sure this is even possible because of the limited nature of human intelligence and the limitations of human languages.
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[slave]

I believe the scripture is very clear on the nature of God. Both in the nature of His spirit and in nature of his behavior or personality and character. I think I am also a testimony to that nature having adopted it from Christ. For there are many things that are not my own....when I view myself and my personality outside of Christ in comparison.

Yet all that I am in Christ I have yet to fully understand, or even attain to. Not because I am full of flaws in Christ and I'm just struggling to get there because I am doomed to failure, but that I have yet understood all that I have had since I asked Him into my heart. I got the whole package then...right out of the shoot....its just that it will take me awhile to grasp all that I now am.

And as you said mr. hermit [sorry I had a hard time calling you old and hermit in the same delivery I respect you more than that]; some things in my new self I won't get at all...ever... until I meet Him face to face.

But I look forward to Him mentoring me then. I hope it happens just after Every knee will bow and every tongue confesses that Jesus Christ is Lord. And to be honest, like scripture describes the Martyred saints in Revelations coming back asking for God to show His power and Authority...I too will delight in seeing Which side of the JW vs. Evangelical "Camps" win the debate. For we are not in agreement over things that matter!

And that could be the next discussion...I believe there are doctrines of certain denominations that will coincide in Christ. Some of those differences in doctrine, I believe fall under the heading of "Disputable matters" that ought-not to be quarreled about. But like the JWS camps and the Catholic camps there are issues in the core of their Doctrines that become the condition to your salvation. The Deity of Christ being one of them, but that is another time and place....so stay tuned...same Bat channel...same Bat station....and people know I am being light -hearted when I say that. Please don't circle that and say see you mention bats with god you are evil. I am just a fun guy, I take serious the things that need that attention. As Elvis Once said...Thank You very much! Don't forget to use His low delivery when you think of that...It's much more entertaining.

 

[oldhermit]

Everything we know about the nature of God is revealed to us in scripture but it is a mistake the think that everything about the nature of God is revealed to us in scripture.

 

[Bushido8000]

Okay, there is a lot of misinformation on this thread. For anyone that wants to know the difference between a Jehovah's Witness and other Christians I have one simple statement that will explain. Jehovah's Witnesses follow bible teachings, and not human traditions. If anyone has any questions concerning Jehovah's Witnesses please feel free to start with me.

I really don't believe I have given ANY misinformation in my post, being a former JW. If I did, please let me know.

 

[kohelet]

There are many who say that the cross has pagan origins, what they say,

The cross is a pagan symbol that was adored in Egypt thousands of years before Jesus was born. In fact wasn't it the roman catholic church that adopted the symbol?,

The cross is a symbol, idol worship

Exodus 20:4
"You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.

Hi Kedge,

In Watchtower literature Jesus is shown on a stake with his hands above his head and a nail through them. If he had been crucified - put to death on a cross - two nails would have been used. How is it that in the New World Translation, we read "nails" rather than "nail" in John 20:25?

 

[ChristInUs]

Jehovahs witness are loved by Satan. It's works based just like Islam.

 

[kedge]

How is it that in the New World Translation, we read "nails" rather than "nail" in John 20:25?

I don't know, plurals?, hands = nails?, it says this in the NIV, in the KJV, in the ESV, in fact in most Bibles, your point is what exactly?

 

[kedge]

Jehovahs witness are loved by Satan. It's works based just like Islam.

Anyone could say the same about any religious organization, please, don't be foolish.

 

[kedge]

'Lord' .

God Lord are titles and not names, i wonder what the name of God is, i have seen others quote yahweh?, translated to english does that spell Jehovah?.

 

[kedge]

They violate the grammar to fit a particular theology that the text will not support.

But that's just your opinion on the matter, it's no good engaging me in this area of expertize because i'm not that well versed in such matters, i know basic scripture i can discern and ponder basic scripture, what you need is someone to stand toe to toe with you on this matter, then i could learn and discern through learned ones, you was invited to a disccussion by one of JW earlier in this thread but your reply was 'yawn', golf clap for you chap.

 

[PeterJens]

In witnessing to JW I have found the most powerful thing is to talk about how God loves us, and what love means for us as individuals. JW is about working for your salvation, not about love and trust. It is such an obvious black and white issue which they fail to address. Some joint the JW group because of their community and enthusiasm while actually desiring to meet the Lord. The JW's fail to understand how hard it was for Jesus to do what he did, how significant this was, and it only makes sense if he was God, not a created being. The statement that love lived a sinless life and conquered death, removing the excuse on all our hearts, it is too hard, no one cares. We are all wrong, Jesus, the Father and the Spirit care, to the core of their being, which is their very nature itself, which is also planted in each human being, at their formation in the likeness of God.

 

[Gozinia]

Just remember the answers are in there. Whether we see it clearly or not. But Jesus always replied, and I might add at weird moments...WHO DO YOU SAY THAT I AM?

This tug-owar that Satan thinks God and He are in is over the Heart.Where we sit our Heart at night is the issue to it all. and Where we sit our heart goes the feet. and what our feet do we will be judged by.Not by works attempting to merit heaven but by whether or not we understood God when He sent the ten commandments to have us realize we could never do it on our own behavior.

True point,
Even if one could adhere to the 10 commandments on their own, the task would be futile.
Meaning, How could anyone properly serve the creator, without knowing the creator?

 

[secularhermit]

Jehovahs witness are loved by Satan. It's works based just like Islam.

Where is it quoted on the Bible?

I have seen some of them who live a "holier" life, better than mine, and that doesn´t make more or less than any man or women. As long as we´re on earth, we all need the same salvation.

What have they done to you, sir, to hate them in such a way?

LAst year I was with one who belonged to the JW´s, and she was smart enough to leave that religious group, and she was smart at those things she learnt there so, if she was a real follower of satan, I doubt I would have loved her the way I loved her.

I don´t know the Islam, I don´t like their fashion and, if those are like ISIS, somewhat terrorists (the way pictures and news showed) I would agree with you but just see how the lord Jesus was "killed" by Jews, His lifetime, on the hands of Roman soldiers... Are all Romans loved by satan?

Surely not! And the same is applied to many religious groups, with the exception of Satanists, idolaters and "Santeros".

http://static.tvazteca.com/imagenes/2011/47/Extranormal-1265136.jpg

http://www.nosotrosdiario.mx/siteimg/noticias/big/Santeros-Cubanos-20754-20963.jpg

 

[kedge]

JW is about working for your salvation, not about love and trust.

But that is just your experience with those JW's you encountered, my experience was the complete opposite of your experience. Well, there is no wonder they mention salvation work, all of us have different qualities in different areas and no one individual person is perfect, most JW's i have encountered are nice decent people that have cometo my door to spread the good news of God's kingdom, in fact they pointed out to me that the preaching work is part of their salvation, i mean, they pointed out that the Christ didn't just say preach if you're up to it, no rush and all that, Jesus actually commanded his followers to preach from town to city to city nation to nation, the key word is 'command'

Matthew 28:19
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them inthe name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.


[emphasis added]

 

[PeterJens]

I'm still researching that, i don't know what makes a Christian a Christian?.

Letting love rule their heart.
Jesus is the expression of Gods heart to mankind, the perfect message of hope and example.
By listening to his words and putting them into action you become a member of the Kingdom.
By letting love work through you, you are transformed.
Prayer is an expression of this desire, sharing the situation you are in.
Praise is the song that celebrate the Lord of all from within

 

[Gozinia]

So, the question is, when did baby Jesus become God?

John 1 helps explain the answer to your question.
We are told, in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God and the word was with God.
We know that God spoke all life into existence, earth, the heavens, all creation.
God spoke Mary to become pregnant. (God therefore being the Father)
Jesus is Gods word manifested in the flesh (come to life)
In that, the two are one, and there is no life without his Spirit.

How did your words become a part of you?
Or were they always a part of you...from the beginning.
If you could will things including life into existence or non-existence simply by your words...That is what God does.
And the reason he reigns and is sovereign over all things.
Not just because he said so, but because he did so.
He backs his Word.
And his Word testifies of his presence...the two are in agreement.

 

[PeterJens]

But that is just your experience with those JW's you encountered, my experience was the complete opposite of your experience. Well, there is no wonder they mention salvation work, all of us have different qualities in different areas and no one individual person is perfect, most JW's i have encountered are nice decent people that have cometo my door to spread the good news of God's kingdom, in fact they pointed out to me that the preaching work is part of their salvation, i mean, they pointed out that the Christ didn't just say preach if you're up to it, no rush and all that, Jesus actually commanded his followers to preach from town to city to city nation to nation, the key word is 'command'

Matthew 28:19
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them inthe name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.


[emphasis added]

You are right is your critism. It appears the deciples are commanded to preach. We now stand though 2 thousand years later and the gospel we preach has you asking the question, what is a christian?
Now if you ask that question, and do not know the answer, the question comes, which gospel is being preached.
I could tell you many variations of this gospel, which are contradictatory but use the same texts as their inspiration.
I start though from the place I know best, my own heart, my own humanity. Jesus asked some deep questions, eternal questions as to the nature of man, his behaviour, his nature and the meaning of perfection. He laid out Gods strategy and intentions, the way you approach him, and how you find life. The trick is unless you enter by the door the puzzle will always be lost. So I ask you do you know the door of which I speak?