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[Bowman]

A quick search in strongs shows there is no greek word for worship used in the Bible with the greek word epikalesētai

The Greek word for calling upon is epikaleō

It is formed by the preposition epi and the verb kaleō.

It means:

1. to put a name upon, to surname
   1. to permit one's self to be surnamed
2. to be named after someone
3. to call something to one
   1. to cry out upon or against one
   2. to charge something to one as a crime or reproach
   3. to summon one on any charge, prosecute one for a crime
   4. to blame one for, accuse one of
4. to invoke
   1. to call upon for one's self, in one's behalf
      1. any one as a helper
      2. as my witness
      3. as my judge
      4. to appeal unto
5. to call upon by pronouncing the name of Jehovah
   1. an expression finding its explanation in the fact that prayers addressed to God ordinarily began with an invocation of the divine name

You just proved my point!

 

[Joshua_Generation]

This should be most interesting....should I report you for not consulting the original languages...?

Yes lets look and see what the original languages say:

Here are the greek words for worship used in the NT, you will notice that the word 'epikalesētai'

Which you stated was

'Calling upon' is the same as 'worship' for the Greek word 'epikalesētai'...

is not found for worship or for calling out!

G1391	doxa	do'-ksä	glory, glorious, honour, praise, dignity, worship
G1479	ethelothrēskia	e-the-lo-thrā-skē'-ä	will worship
G2151	eusebeō	yü-se-be'-ō	worship, show piety
G2318	theosebēs	the-o-se-bā's	worshipper of God
G2323	therapeuō	the-rä-pyü'-ō	heal, cure, worship
G2356	thrēskeia	thrā-skā'-ä	religion, worshipping
G3000	latreuō	lä-tryü'-ō	serve, worship, do the service, worshipper
G3511	neōkoros	ne-ō-ko'-ros	worshipper
G4352	proskyneō	pros-kü-ne'-ō	worship
G4353	proskynētēs	pros-kü-nā-tā's	worshipper
G4573	sebazomai	se-bä'-zo-mī	worship
G4574	sebasma	se'-bä-smä	devotion, that is worshipped
G4576	sebō	se'-bō	worship, devout, religious

 

[Joshua_Generation]

You just proved my point!

This is not worship bowman. Jesus himself stated he was the way to the Father, that alone is enough to refute you error.

 

[Bowman]

Yes lets look and see what the original languages say:

Here are the greek words for worship used in the NT, you will notice that the word 'epikalesētai'

Which you stated was
is not found for worship or for calling out!

G1391	doxa	do'-ksä	glory, glorious, honour, praise, dignity, worship
G1479	ethelothrēskia	e-the-lo-thrā-skē'-ä	will worship
G2151	eusebeō	yü-se-be'-ō	worship, show piety
G2318	theosebēs	the-o-se-bā's	worshipper of God
G2323	therapeuō	the-rä-pyü'-ō	heal, cure, worship
G2356	thrēskeia	thrā-skā'-ä	religion, worshipping
G3000	latreuō	lä-tryü'-ō	serve, worship, do the service, worshipper
G3511	neōkoros	ne-ō-ko'-ros	worshipper
G4352	proskyneō	pros-kü-ne'-ō	worship
G4353	proskynētēs	pros-kü-nā-tā's	worshipper
G4573	sebazomai	se-bä'-zo-mī	worship
G4574	sebasma	se'-bä-smä	devotion, that is worshipped
G4576	sebō	se'-bō	worship, devout, religious

You are looking at different words...

 

[Bowman]

This is not worship bowman. Jesus himself stated he was the way to the Father, that alone is enough to refute you error.

You forgot this lexical entry...

Middle voice from
G1909 and G2564; to entitle; by implication to invoke (for aid, worship, testimony, decision, etc.): - appeal (unto), call (on, upon), surname.

 

[Bowman]

I will accept your apology...

 

[Jeff_56]

all Israel worshipped haelohim. but it was used with a singular verb because it was a plural of majesty. They had no concept of triunity. Perhaps you should study up lol

maybe you already know, but no amount of study will help. revelation is absolutely required, according to GOD'S WORD, according to JESUS HIMSELF, and according to yochanan the immerser also, as well as many other messengers sent by yahweh with GOOD NEWS and/or yahweh's message to repent.

 

[Joshua_Generation]

You are looking at different words...

No sir, you stated that the Greek word for calling upon was worship in the Greek, and I am merely showing every greek word for worship. I then showed you the definition of calling up which is another complete and different word in greek and has nothing to do with worship. Here you are propagating a lie.

 

[Bowman]

You forgot this lexical entry...

Middle voice from
G1909 and G2564; to entitle; by implication to invoke (for aid, worship, testimony, decision, etc.): - appeal (unto), call (on, upon), surname.

Bump.......

 

[Joshua_Generation]

You forgot this lexical entry...

Middle voice from
G1909 and G2564; to entitle; by implication to invoke (for aid, worship, testimony, decision, etc.): - appeal (unto), call (on, upon), surname.

I already showed you this, G1909 is the preposition epi and G2564 is the verb kaleō.

G1909:

1. upon, on, at, by, before
   
2. of position, on, at, by, over, against
   
3. to, over, on, at, across, against
   

G2564:

1. to call
   
   1. to call aloud, utter in a loud voice
      
   2. to invite
2. to call i.e. to name, by name
   
   1. to give a name to
      
      1. to receive the name of, receive as a name
         
      2. to give some name to one, call his name
   2. to be called i.e. to bear a name or title (among men)
      
   3. to salute one by name
      
      
      

 

[Bowman]

Where is your bark now...?

 

[Bowman]

I already showed you this, G1909 is the preposition epi and G2564 is the verb kaleō.

G1909:

1. upon, on, at, by, before
2. of position, on, at, by, over, against
3. to, over, on, at, across, against

G2564:

1. to call
   1. to call aloud, utter in a loud voice
   2. to invite
2. to call i.e. to name, by name
   1. to give a name to
      1. to receive the name of, receive as a name
      2. to give some name to one, call his name
   2. to be called i.e. to bear a name or title (among men)
   3. to salute one by name

You are using Thayer's, only!

Expand your horizons....

 

[Joshua_Generation]

I already showed you this, G1909 is the preposition epi and G2564 is the verb kaleō.

G1909:

1. upon, on, at, by, before
2. of position, on, at, by, over, against
3. to, over, on, at, across, against

G2564:

1. to call
   1. to call aloud, utter in a loud voice
   2. to invite
2. to call i.e. to name, by name
   1. to give a name to
      1. to receive the name of, receive as a name
      2. to give some name to one, call his name
   2. to be called i.e. to bear a name or title (among men)
   3. to salute one by name

The Greek word for calling upon is epikaleō

It is formed by the preposition epi and the verb kaleō.

It means:

1. to put a name upon, to surname
   1. to permit one's self to be surnamed
   
   
2. to be named after someone
3. to call something to one
   1. to cry out upon or against one
   2. to charge something to one as a crime or reproach
   3. to summon one on any charge, prosecute one for a crime
   4. to blame one for, accuse one of
   
   
4. to invoke
   1. to call upon for one's self, in one's behalf
      1. any one as a helper
      2. as my witness
      3. as my judge
      4. to appeal unto
   
   
5. to call upon by pronouncing the name of Jehovah
   1. an expression finding its explanation in the fact that prayers addressed to God ordinarily began with an invocation of the divine name
      
      Nowhere is the word worship used.

 

[Bowman]

The Greek word for calling upon is epikaleō

It is formed by the preposition epi and the verb kaleō.

It means:

1. to put a name upon, to surname
   1. to permit one's self to be surnamed
2. to be named after someone
3. to call something to one
   1. to cry out upon or against one
   2. to charge something to one as a crime or reproach
   3. to summon one on any charge, prosecute one for a crime
   4. to blame one for, accuse one of
4. to invoke
   1. to call upon for one's self, in one's behalf
      1. any one as a helper
      2. as my witness
      3. as my judge
      4. to appeal unto
5. to call upon by pronouncing the name of Jehovah
   1. an expression finding its explanation in the fact that prayers addressed to God ordinarily began with an invocation of the divine name
      
      Nowhere is the word worship used.

Again...

Even Thayer's mentions prayer, which is worship.

Deal with it...

 

[Joshua_Generation]

Again...

Even Thayer's mentions prayer, which is worship.

Deal with it...

Prayer is not worship either..

 

[Bowman]

Get a grip...

Prayer is not worship either..

'Prayers addressed to God'....as per your very own definition, is not worship?!

 

[crossnote]

Act 2:21 Shall call on (epikalesetai). First aorist middle subjunctive of epikaleo, common verb, to call to, middle voice for oneself in need. Indefinite relative clause with ean and so subjunctive, punctiliar idea, in any single case, and so aorist. A.T. Robertson.

ἐπικαλέω. fut. mid. ἐπικαλέσομαι; 1aor. ἐπεκάλεσα, mid. ἐπεκαλεσάμην; pf. pass. ἐπικέκλημαι; pluperfect mid. ἐπεκεκλήμην; 1aor. pass. ἐπεκλήθην; (1) active, in speaking of a person call, name, give a surname (MT 10. 25); passive be called, be named (AC 1. 23); (2) passive with ὄνομα (name), idiomatically, denoting that one person belongs to another whose name is attached to him ἐπικαλεῖσθαι τὸ ὄνομά τινος ἐπί τινα literally have someone 's name called on someone, i. e. belong to, be the person of (AC 15. 17); (3) middle, as a legal technical term for appealing to a higher court appeal, call or summon as witness (2C 1. 23); (4) middle, as invoking God' s name in prayer call on (AC 2. 21) Analytic Lexicon of the New Testament.

I wouldn't call invoking God's name for help as worship.

Worship is defined as...


Jn 4:23-24 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth:for the Father -- seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit:and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Jn 4:23 . The true worshippers (hoi alethinoi proskunetai). See 1:9 for alethinos (genuine). Proskunetes is a late word from proskuneo, to bow the knee, to worship, A.T. Robertson

προσκυνέω. impf. προσεκύνουν; fut. προσκυνήσω; 1aor. προσεκύνησα; (1) from a basic sense bow down to kiss someone 's feet, garment hem, or the ground in front of him; (2) in the NT of worship or veneration of a divine or supposedly divine object, expressed concretely with falling face down in front of someone worship, venerate, do obeisance to; (a) toward God (MT 4. 10); (b) toward Jesus (MT 2. 2); (c) toward the devil and demons (MT 4. 9; RV 9. 20); (d) toward idols (AC 7. 43); (e) toward human beings as given or claiming to have divine power or authority (RV 3. 9; 13. 4 b) Analytic Lexicon of the New Testament.

A. Verbs (Worship)
1. proskuneo (προσκυνέω, 4352), "to make obeisance, do reverence to" (from pros, "towards," and kuneo, "to kiss"), is the most frequent word rendered "to worship." It is used of an act of homage or reverence. (Vines)

Thus epikaleo and proskuneo are not the same word nor have the same meaning.

 

[Bowman]

Act 2:21 Shall call on (epikalesetai). First aorist middle subjunctive of epikaleo, common verb, to call to, middle voice for oneself in need. Indefinite relative clause with ean and so subjunctive, punctiliar idea, in any single case, and so aorist. A.T. Robertson.

ἐπικαλέω. fut. mid. ἐπικαλέσομαι; 1aor. ἐπεκάλεσα, mid. ἐπεκαλεσάμην; pf. pass. ἐπικέκλημαι; pluperfect mid. ἐπεκεκλήμην; 1aor. pass. ἐπεκλήθην; (1) active, in speaking of a person call, name, give a surname (MT 10. 25); passive be called, be named (AC 1. 23); (2) passive with ὄνομα (name), idiomatically, denoting that one person belongs to another whose name is attached to him ἐπικαλεῖσθαι τὸ ὄνομά τινος ἐπί τινα literally have someone 's name called on someone, i. e. belong to, be the person of (AC 15. 17); (3) middle, as a legal technical term for appealing to a higher court appeal, call or summon as witness (2C 1. 23); (4) middle, as invoking God' s name in prayer call on (AC 2. 21) Analytic Lexicon of the New Testament.

I wouldn't call invoking God's name for help as worship.

Worship is defined as...


Jn 4:23-24 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth:for the Father -- seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit:and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Jn 4:23 . The true worshippers (hoi alethinoi proskunetai). See 1:9 for alethinos (genuine). Proskunetes is a late word from proskuneo, to bow the knee, to worship, A.T. Robertson

προσκυνέω. impf. προσεκύνουν; fut. προσκυνήσω; 1aor. προσεκύνησα; (1) from a basic sense bow down to kiss someone 's feet, garment hem, or the ground in front of him; (2) in the NT of worship or veneration of a divine or supposedly divine object, expressed concretely with falling face down in front of someone worship, venerate, do obeisance to; (a) toward God (MT 4. 10); (b) toward Jesus (MT 2. 2); (c) toward the devil and demons (MT 4. 9; RV 9. 20); (d) toward idols (AC 7. 43); (e) toward human beings as given or claiming to have divine power or authority (RV 3. 9; 13. 4 b) Analytic Lexicon of the New Testament.

A. Verbs (Worship)
1. proskuneo (προσκυνέω, 4352), "to make obeisance, do reverence to" (from pros, "towards," and kuneo, "to kiss"), is the most frequent word rendered "to worship." It is used of an act of homage or reverence. (Vines)

Thus epikaleo and proskuneo are not the same word nor have the same meaning.

'Calling upon the Name of the Lord' is ALWAYS used in reference to prayer to God, in both the OT and NT.

Prayer is worship.

Simple.

Your reference likewise confirms this regardless of your personal rejection of it...

 

[iwant2serve]

Rell the commits back to the OP please'

 

[crossnote]

Ok, tying it all together, the thief on the cross did not yet know Jesus as God but only as Savior and Lord (kurios) yet he petitioned Christ on the cross and was saved.