Jesus IS King!!!

[John146]

Bottom line...who is on the throne right now in heaven? What does the Scripture say?

Where is Jesus Christ right now? What does the Scripture say?

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Maybe I should suggest 2 Timothy 2:15 to you? Again figures of speech do not make anything LESS real. They help understand and make clear lessons that are being taught throughout the word of God - They do not CHANGE something into a LIE but enhance what is being taught.

You want to believe that this portion of scripture is teaching that Satan has to ask permission to do something to people . . hey, that's okay.

Just to add concerning the book of Job . . . The main point of this record of Job is that no matter what happened to him, he refused to harden his heart and turn away from God. That was the whole point of Satan wanting to destroy all that Job had to make Job curse God - "and he will curse you to your face". Satan did not accomplish what he set out to do . . . Job did NOT curse God. And Job didn't even know that Satan was the one doing this to him; he truly believed that God was doing these things - the NT reveals the true character of Satan - that he comes only to steal, kill and destroy.

 

[sevenseas]

There are many who teach this false doctrine.

it's a new one for me

I would say I've heard it all now, but probably not as newer heresies seem to be cropping up regularly

leaving the faith I think it's called

 

[JoDel]

Bottom line...who is on the throne right now in heaven? What does the Scripture say?

Where is Jesus Christ right now? What does the Scripture say?

He's King WHEREVER He is, and WHEREVER HE IS, IS... His throne room.

 

[JoDel]

He's King WHEREVER He is, and WHEREVER HE IS, IS... His throne room.

To add to the obtuse response I left, Scripture states, "He sits at the Right Hand of God"... I'd say that would be the ultimate throne, belonging to NO OTHER.

 

[JoDel]

That is a future prophecy concerning the Savior. Right now, He is waiting at the right hand of the Father. That's all.

I'm sorry... I missed in ALL related scriptures, the part where Jesus is "waiting to take what's coming to Him". Waiting? oi vey!

 

[preacher4truth]

Maybe I should suggest 2 Timothy 2:15 to you?

Not a problem.

Again figures of speech do not make anything LESS real. They help understand and make clear lessons that are being taught throughout the word of God - They do not CHANGE something into a LIE but enhance what is being taught.

Yet it is what you are attempting when you call a real story and allegory. That and you skip right past that part because it refutes your position. If what you are saying above were your position, and you were consistent in it, you'd see that God does only allow satan to do certain things, all to God's purpose, all to His glory and it is not the only incident ion Scripture. Do you recall the lying spirit God summoned to deceive Ahab through a false prophet? There are more instances. Albeit it is a difficult thing for us to comprehend in our finite minds.

You want to believe that this portion of scripture is teaching that Satan has to ask permission to do something to people . . hey, that's okay.

Thanks for granting me permission.

That's because it is exactly what it is teaching, and again there are more passages that show this truth. God is Sovereign over satan as well, he does God's bidding.

 

[preacher4truth]

it's a new one for me

I would say I've heard it all now, but probably not as newer heresies seem to be cropping up regularly

leaving the faith I think it's called

Not sure why you are taking issue though. I believe you are one of the several on here who relentlessly attack those who expose WoF and other heretics along those lines. Didn't you call that kind of thing something like a witch hunt/heretic hunters and ridicule others for doing so? Yes, I believe that was you. Not to pick a fight, just noting a double standard and inconsistency.

 

[sevenseas]

Not sure why you are taking issue though. I believe you are one of the several on here who relentlessly attack those who expose WoF and other heretics along those lines. Didn't you call that kind of thing something like a witch hunt/heretic hunters and ridicule others for doing so? Yes, I believe that was you. Not to pick a fight, just noting a double standard and inconsistency.

oh boy

let's set this straight, ok?

I am 100% AGAINST word of faith nonsense.

you have me mixed up with someone else for sure

there are those here who will not tolerate ANY kind of exposure of wrong teaching and call that a witch hunt. that is not me

what I am against, is gossip and Christians tolerating that

I find gossip one of the worst sins in the church and said as much some weeks back

please do not confuse me with the WOF bunch.

it's kind of funny, I was exactly just now reading this:

A lot of this witchcraft is coming from the False gospel or False doctrine of a “Name it and Claim it” theology! This is nothing but witchcraft for personal use. It has a great self-centered appeal. The lie is that we have a “free license” to wrong prayer, which is irresponsible and immature! Unfortunately there are denominations that believe that as a child of God you can “have anything” you want through prayer as God’s child. That is deception and witchcraft, which releases evil spirits and torment against the innocent! That is a perversion of God’s Truth (Word). All things of God and from God are to be “in” Him (“in Christ”) meaning that the Word of Truth is “in” accordance to God’s Will, the Full Gospel, that is His “Perfect Will”(!) not just any old thing we can imagine or conjure!

on another site (and I don't agree with everything on that site, but I sure agree with the above in quotes) and I thought to check this thread and so I did and found what you just wrote to me

I am totally against any kind of spiritual manipulation or Christians thinking they can do such things

it's witchcraft. anything that tries to alter reality through manipulation is witchcraft

I have suffered at the hands of so called Christians who have basically 'used' the Bible against others so I can assure anyone and everyone, I don't do such things

however, I am also NOT a Calvinist and I do not care for MacArthur or his teaching

no one has the truth market cornered. we have the Bible and we GROW in Christ. that means every one of us that God considers His own

 

[JoDel]

2 Thessalonians 2​

1Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. 5Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things?6And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed. 7For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. 8Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; 9that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, 10and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. 11For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, 12in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.

Satan can do nothing except during appointed times.

IF....Satan was NOT RESTRAINED, being God's and God's people mortal enemy, whose obsessive evil goal is to STEAL, KILL, and DESTROY any and ALL having to do with God's people... Wouldn't it be simple to understand that were he NOT RESTRAINED, his plans of complete annihilation of God's people in one fell swoosh would be evident? ~ Just sayin'...

 

[preacher4truth]

IF....Satan was NOT RESTRAINED, being God's and God's people mortal enemy, whose obsessive evil goal is to STEAL, KILL, and DESTROY any and ALL having to do with God's people... Wouldn't it be simple to understand that were he NOT RESTRAINED, his plans of complete annihilation of God's people in one fell swoosh would be evident? ~ Just sayin'...

Yep. The old devil sure is being nice to us, isn't he, being in control and all?

 

[preacher4truth]

IF....Satan was NOT RESTRAINED, being God's and God's people mortal enemy, whose obsessive evil goal is to STEAL, KILL, and DESTROY any and ALL having to do with God's people... Wouldn't it be simple to understand that were he NOT RESTRAINED, his plans of complete annihilation of God's people in one fell swoosh would be evident? ~ Just sayin'...

"One fell swoosh" eh? Around these parts it's accurately stated "one fell swoop".

That my dear would make your wording hair a see.

 

[JoDel]

"One fell swoosh" eh? Around these parts it's accurately stated "one fell swoop".

That my dear would make your wording hair a see.

Ooops... too much exposure to basketball! Thank you for the correction... now I feel like a tardlet!

 

[sevenseas]

check out my posts in this thread started by Angela

it's a thread about WOF

read my posts and then tell me whether I am for or against WOF

here's the thread. if you are going to identify someone, at least get it right

HERE

 

[preacher4truth]

Ooops... too much exposure to basketball! Thank you for the correction... now I feel like a tardlet!

Well, it's better than a turdlet, LOL!!!!!

 

[JoDel]

Well, it's better than a turdlet, LOL!!!!!

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha! Thank goodness I wasn't drinking anything this time! I have sprayed my screen so much since being on this site, this would have been another!!!

 

[preacher4truth]

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha! Thank goodness I wasn't drinking anything this time! I have sprayed my screen so much since being on this site, this would have been another!!!

Let me know when you're drinking and I'll try to oblige.

 

[JoDel]

Let me know when you're drinking and I'll try to oblige.

AFTER..... I get my coroner's splatter shield!

 

[sevenseas]

interesting preacher

you make a false assumption and I correct you. anything to say about that?

I don't think your memory is really that bad. I do think you know I don't hold to your Calvinist viewpoint but that's just too bad and it's not going to change

Calvin didn't write the Bible and neither did MacArthur

 

[Desertsrose]

And...Satan took the Lord upon the high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of this world and offered to give them to Him if He would bow down to him. The Lord didn't call him a liar, He just simple quoted Scripture. Right now, our battle is spiritual not physical. This world is not our home. This world right now belongs to the dark forces of Satan. There is coming a day when this physical world will be ruled by the Lord Jesus Christ, the King of kings. He will sit on a physical throne, ruling and reigning for a thousand years. After that, He will defeat Satan and death once and for all. A new heaven and new earth will be given, an everlasting kingdom.

Hi John,


I do understand what you're saying. Jesus will reign as king literally in Jerusalem sometime in the near future.


But why? How is He able to do this?


It's because He's already King of kings and Lord of lords.


Jesus went about preaching the Kingdom of God. We find that all throughout Matthew especially. How can we preach the gospel of the Kingdom of God if there wasn't a King?