Jesus is the Only begotten Son of God, read this and decide

[miknik5]

yeah its pretty tragic, but Gods plan as He explains in romans 11, thie isrealites rebelled so much, that God blined them and bound them over to disobedience as the gentile had already been bound to disobedience, so that together with isreal He could save us by Mercy in sending Jesus to be savior of all men whether isreal or gentile all are the same since the Christ appeared.

all who will accept Jesus now have the way of Sons. but you gotta put your faith in Him, the Only begotten Son, and hear His word in order to be set free of sin.... keeping it as He said.

Voice
you have to hear HIS VOICE

FIRST
Yes. Since the CHRIST appeared!


That is certainly THE VERDICT!

just as HE said, if HE had not come and done what no other could, we would have no sin

bur now (because HE has come ) we need a "cloke" for our sins

 

[bluto]

LOL OK If Christ means the anointed one... and we are anointed... then we are christs..The anointed ones

Well denadii with that "ridiculously" flawed logic Jesus Christ claimed to be the bread of life, does that mean were all loafs of bread, maybe even Wonder bread huh?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[Denadii]

Well denadii with that "ridiculously" flawed logic Jesus Christ claimed to be the bread of life, does that mean were all loafs of bread, maybe even Wonder bread huh?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Its not logic at all Bluto. It's simply reading the Word and believing it.

Really though. I wish you and GraceNPeace would go back to pretending I don't exist. I hate your contentious attitudes. All you ever want to do is fight. You don't want to learn and you don't want to teach. Only fight.

 

[miknik5]

How much freer can the one who has heard HIS VOICE be?


just as John 5 states:

these have already passed from death to life and will not come under condemnation

the call of all the prophets was always the same:

If today you hear HIS VOICE, harden not your hearts


but no one can take their stony hard heart and change it to a heart of flesh

and that is the judgement:

HE said to the blind man in John 8:
for judgement I have come that those who are blind will see and those who see will be made blind
(and in them(those who can't see) is the prophecy of Isaiah fulfilled):

make the hearts of the people fat and give them eyes that see not and ears that hear not
lest they should understand with their heart...turn...and HE should heal them

 

[miknik5]

Its not logic at all Bluto. It's simply reading the Word and believing it.

Really though. I wish you and GraceNPeace would go back to pretending I don't exist. I hate your contentious attitudes. All you ever want to do is fight. You don't want to learn and you don't want to teach. Only fight.

You are not the Christ
and nobody is the christ

except the one who came forth from GOD and into the world

 

[graceNpeace]

Its not logic at all Bluto. It's simply reading the Word and believing it.

Really though. I wish you and GraceNPeace would go back to pretending I don't exist. I hate your contentious attitudes. All you ever want to do is fight. You don't want to learn and you don't want to teach. Only fight.

If what you say is nonsensical then expect people to comment on it and oppose that view.
I do teach, a lot - a pity that some are not teachable though...

 

[followjesus]

Ye are "gods" to whom the WORD of GOD has come

And the only ONE to go to who has THE WORDS of ETERNAL LIFE and gives ETERNAL LIFE to all those who come to HIM is CHRIST

right, Jesus was speaking Gods Words and those are the words that Give Life. the scripture Jesus is refering to there when He says " scripture calls them gods to whom the word of God came is psalm 82

psalms 82 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
2How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
3Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.4Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.5They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
7But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

you see what i meant now the other day when I said mankind are fallen " gods" thats what i was saying adam was created in Gods Image, he was an eternal bieng until He ate tthe fruit and fell from Gods image in the Garden and lost His right to the tree of Life. Jesus is the One God sent to redeem us from that curse the curse placed upon adam of mortality. in the end of revelation Jesus says this

revelation 22:14 "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

its a redemption of mankind from what adam did in genesis

Genesis 3:22-24 "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 24So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.


Original man was a god little g, because man was made in Gods image and likeness gen 1:22 adam fell from that when He sinned and thats what the redemption is accomplishing returning us to immortality through Jesus, where as adam brought us death, Jesus brings us eternal Life.

paul refers to " many lords and many gods in corinthians speaking of those either in Heaven or on earth. ( gods and lords) But there is One God the Father who is spirit, and there is One Lord and Christ who is the Son..

 

[miknik5]

right, Jesus was speaking Gods Words and those are the words that Give Life. the scripture Jesus is refering to there when He says " scripture calls them gods to whom the word of God came is psalm 82

psalms 82 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
2How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
3Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.4Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.5They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
7But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

you see what i meant now the other day when I said mankind are fallen " gods" thats what i was saying adam was created in Gods Image, he was an eternal bieng until He ate tthe fruit and fell from Gods image in the Garden and lost His right to the tree of Life. Jesus is the One God sent to redeem us from that curse the curse placed upon adam of mortality. in the end of revelation Jesus says this

revelation 22:14 "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

its a redemption of mankind from what adam did in genesis

Genesis 3:22-24 "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 24So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubiems, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.


Original man was a god little g, because man was made in Gods image and likeness gen 1:22 adam fell from that when He sinned and thats what the redemption is accomplishing returning us to immortality through Jesus, where as adam brought us death, Jesus brings us eternal Life.

paul refers to " many lords and many gods in corinthians speaking of those either in Heaven or on earth. ( gods and lords) But there is One God the Father who is spirit, and there is One Lord and Christ who is the Son..

Paul was being sarcastic

to us and to paul
there is only ONE GOD

 

[Denadii]

You are not the Christ
and nobody is the christ

except the one who came forth from GOD and into the world

I did not say that I, or you are The Christ but that we are christs. Anointed ones. Read the Word.

 

[followjesus]

If what you say is nonsensical then expect people to comment on it and oppose that view.
I do teach, a lot - a pity that some are not teachable though...

23:8 "But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren."

 

[miknik5]

23:8 "But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren."

You know there is more to that

such as the servant is not above the master and the student above his teacher
it is enough to be just as the master...it is enough to be just as the servant


and as well, not all should claim to be teachers
since they will be judged more harshly

 

[followjesus]

I did not say that I, or you are The Christ but that we are christs. Anointed ones. Read the Word.

The annointed One is Christ Jesus. many are annointed for different purposes some teachers, pastors , prophets, encouragers, ect.

ephesians 4:7-13 "But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.8Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. ( acts 2:33)
9(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

11And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ



each of us has our own annointing, its meant to share with each other in order that we all come to the knowledge of the Son of God, and attainj to the full Knowledge of Christ. His annointing was to be Christ, that entails all of His titles through Scripture. we are children of God annointed to do our own part with the gifts given us. in other places more gifts are named. those spiritual gifts are many and given to individuals as Christ wills and for His unification of His followers in Knowledge and understanding. Not one of us alone has everything figured out, when we lose our pride when dealing with each other, and scripture corrects us all, were maturing

 

[followjesus]

You know there is more to that

such as the servant is not above the master and the student above his teacher
it is enough to be just as the master...it is enough to be just as the servant


and as well, not all should claim to be teachers
since they will be judged more harshly

yep the Kjv says uit this way

james 3:1 "My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.



i think thats why Christ annoints those who are to be pastore and teachers, rather than us trying to become whatever thing we want to be, we should all grow in the gifts given to us, and serve in our appointed role, that we are annointed for by the Lord Jesus. He knows us better than we do if we simply remain in our annointing, He will see us through

 

[followjesus]

Paul was being sarcastic

to us and to paul
there is only ONE GOD

no hes not beong sarcastic lol, hes talking about gods, false gods are all through the earth and heavens look at that psalm again. and then read pauls reference.

remember God through the old testament became enraged because isreal continually went to serve other gods.

realize there is a difference between god, and GOD. Tjere is One God. but look what God says when adam eats the fruit " they have become as gods" ..... there is One true God, the Father, and One Lord and Christ His Son Jesus paul is saying to Christians there is One God, and there is One Lord. but He is acknowledging that there are many gods and many lords whether in heaven or earth.

" God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods."

hes talking about isreal who received the word of God

I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
7But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.


this is what Jesus was referencing.....

 

[Denadii]

If what you say is nonsensical then expect people to comment on it and oppose that view.
I do teach, a lot - a pity that some are not teachable though...

Sir I would rather be called unteachable that to sit under your tutelage with all the junk you teach...You may call me anything you want...come to think of it, you already have. All I want from you is to keep pretending that I don't exist.
I don't want your fighting either. If you can't share something worth listening to...then you would be wasting peoples time.

 

[followjesus]

How much freer can the one who has heard HIS VOICE be?


just as John 5 states:

these have already passed from death to life and will not come under condemnation

the call of all the prophets was always the same:

If today you hear HIS VOICE, harden not your hearts


but no one can take their stony hard heart and change it to a heart of flesh

and that is the judgement:

HE said to the blind man in John 8:
for judgement I have come that those who are blind will see and those who see will be made blind
(and in them(those who can't see) is the prophecy of Isaiah fulfilled):

make the hearts of the people fat and give them eyes that see not and ears that hear not
lest they should understand with their heart...turn...and HE should heal them

right Hearing but then considerthat isreal Heard His voice and rebelled and were slaughtered in the wilderness. Hering brings faith, but faith brings obedience or all is lost.

Hebrews 2:1-4 "Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip. 2For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward; 3How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; 4God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?


consider this

james 1:22 "But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, ....deceiving your own selves.

and "the wise and foolish builders"

 

[followjesus]

Sir I would rather be called unteachable that to sit under your tutelage with all the junk you teach...You may call me anything you want...come to think of it, you already have. All I want from you is to keep pretending that I don't exist.
I don't want your fighting either. If you can't share something worth listening to...then you would be wasting peoples time.

its wise to not be taught by those who part from the clarity of Jesus words.....

 

[followjesus]

Its not logic at all Bluto. It's simply reading the Word and believing it.

Really though. I wish you and GraceNPeace would go back to pretending I don't exist. I hate your contentious attitudes. All you ever want to do is fight. You don't want to learn and you don't want to teach. Only fight.

i also wish the ones who are here for the purpose of argument would skip my ops it always leads to accusation, twisting of words, and then a small group gathers together with nooses and torches like in the old west lynchings lol it doesnt bother me anymore but it just ruins the scriptures set forth and derails the topic every time makes it hard for the people discussing, or trying to figure out what the bible actually does say, because to some what they say or think trumps the clarity of the scripture....thats a foolish idea we must overcome in order to ever learn anything

 

[Denadii]

i also wish the ones who are here for the purpose of argument would skip my ops it always leads to accusation, twisting of words, and then a small group gathers together with nooses and torches like in the old west lynchings lol it doesnt bother me anymore but it just ruins the scriptures set forth and derails the topic every time makes it hard for the people discussing, or trying to figure out what the bible actually does say, because to some what they say or think trumps the clarity of the scripture....thats a foolish idea we must overcome in order to ever learn anything

Really! They sound like democrats. Not saying that they are democrats though LOL

 

[followjesus]

Voice
you have to hear HIS VOICE

FIRST
Yes. Since the CHRIST appeared!


That is certainly THE VERDICT!

just as HE said, if HE had not come and done what no other could, we would have no sin

bur now (because HE has come ) we need a "cloke" for our sins

we now need to part from our sins, definately not cloak them. in order to part from them, or rather let Him part our sins from us, we have to abide in His words. he teaches much that gives us security, and also much that severs our hearts remoiving the things that have ruled us like lust, pride, selfishness because those things in our hearts, is where our sinful actuons come from. because we belkieve in the one God sent, we believe His words unto righteousness. soioner or later while abiding in the word

we see things like this

Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.


we find as we grow the importance of Keeping His words in us, in our mind and hearts, and as we do that we see more, that presses us into obedience and creates a conscience that shows us the areas we need to work on. such as a greedy person, sees that He calls for us to share with the poor. in revealing this to our conscience....our faith presses us into doing where we are told clearly to do these things.

we also find things that He is commending us for, for instance a person who is very giving and sharing, they dont feel condemned they feel more encouraged because Jesus teaches generousity. but that person maybe has alot of Lust in them, they will be worked on through thier conscience in the things He says about lust.....its an ever pressing forward thing, rest and also service simultaneously. we always have all he says of Grace, and we are corrected by all the truth that He teaches. Grace and truth together equal obedience, and our faith is in Jesus, so we accept His words as He says to do. they are Gods power to change sinners to children of God