Jesus is the Only begotten Son of God, read this and decide

[miknik5]

I want to tell you why this is bothering me

babies and unbelievers listening in who somehow think that by following teachings of JESUS that they have eternal life without first coming to the knowledge of the TRUTH of THE GOSPEL. That it is by HIS BLOOD that we are washed and have entered into a restored relationship with THE FATHER,

and these who dont come by way of THE DOOR into THE KINGDOM run the risk of treating CHRIST as no different than any other wisdom teacher thinking that by following teachings rather than coming to HIM through faith in HIS BLOOD have LIFE


HE said he seek scripture thinking that by it you have life but it is these which testify of ME and you do not come to ME to have LIFE

 

[miknik5]

This is what I feel is happening here

treating THE CROSS as a besides, secondary, addirion

when ot is only through THE CROSS that the ONE who laid down the LIFE for THE Sheep laid down the life willingly and purposely for His Sheep that they may have LIFE in HIM

 

[Denadii]

So, according to you Jesus Christ is not God , then?
Interesting!
Are you then in accord with followjesus?

LOL Just like you to put words into someones mouth

 

[graceNpeace]

What you don't know can choke you. Religious nonsense.

Please explain this post then...

 

[Denadii]

Please explain this post then...

In NO WAY does that elevate any Christian believer to the status of God.
It does not elevate us to the status of God but we do have the status of gods in the earth..a god, note the small 'g' is one who reigns over someone, or something. We are to reign over the Earth and all its creatures every other living thing.



Yes, we are indwelt with the Holy Spirit, but no, that DOES NOT make us God in any way, shape, or form!

A Christian is a Christian, because they believe that the death that Jesus Christ died on the cross, and the blood that He shed, was a propitiation for sin. If Jesus Christ was not God then He was just a man and therefore not sinless. As such, He could not have been the propitiation for our sin.
Furthermore we DO NOT follow Jesus Christ to become a Christian, we follow Jesus Christ BECAUSE we are Christians.

We are Christians because we follow Jesus.

If you are going to teach with such anger/arrogance you need to get things straight or you look really silly.

 

[followjesus]

In NO WAY does that elevate any Christian believer to the status of God.
It does not elevate us to the status of God but we do have the status of gods in the earth..a god, note the small 'g' is one who reigns over someone, or something. We are to reign over the Earth and all its creatures every other living thing.



Yes, we are indwelt with the Holy Spirit, but no, that DOES NOT make us God in any way, shape, or form!

A Christian is a Christian, because they believe that the death that Jesus Christ died on the cross, and the blood that He shed, was a propitiation for sin. If Jesus Christ was not God then He was just a man and therefore not sinless. As such, He could not have been the propitiation for our sin.
Furthermore we DO NOT follow Jesus Christ to become a Christian, we follow Jesus Christ BECAUSE we are Christians.

We are Christians because we follow Jesus.

If you are going to teach with such anger/arrogance you need to get things straight or you look really silly.

that was the whole point of me bringing up the fact that having Gods spirit in us, because of Jesus, this doesnt make us a diety, Because there is only 1 God. it doesnt make us Lords and christs either, it simply makes us children of God born through Faith in the One and only begotten Son of God.


we are children of God, it doesnt make us God, the scrip0ture says " gods" as like what you are saying, we are Just who Jesus showed Us we are, children of God. it needs to be understood who Jesus is, because it makes us children of God.

1 corinthians 8:4-6 "As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. 5For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.


Notice the semi colon which seperates the statement

a punctuation mark ( indicating a pause, typically between two main clauses, that is more pronounced than that indicated by a comma.

 

[graceNpeace]

In NO WAY does that elevate any Christian believer to the status of God.
It does not elevate us to the status of God but we do have the status of gods in the earth..a god, note the small 'g' is one who reigns over someone, or something. We are to reign over the Earth and all its creatures every other living thing.



Yes, we are indwelt with the Holy Spirit, but no, that DOES NOT make us God in any way, shape, or form!

A Christian is a Christian, because they believe that the death that Jesus Christ died on the cross, and the blood that He shed, was a propitiation for sin. If Jesus Christ was not God then He was just a man and therefore not sinless. As such, He could not have been the propitiation for our sin.
Furthermore we DO NOT follow Jesus Christ to become a Christian, we follow Jesus Christ BECAUSE we are Christians.

We are Christians because we follow Jesus.

If you are going to teach with such anger/arrogance you need to get things straight or you look really silly.

Frankly, it is not arrogance to proclaim the truth of the Gospel.
Also, if you think that I have displayed anger for standing for the truth in that post then it remains your opinion.

The opposition that you have have for that post clearly means you disagree with WHAT WAS WRITTEN.
As for opinion of me, I don't care particularly.

 

[Denadii]

that was the whole point of me bringing up the fact that having Gods spirit in us, because of Jesus, this doesnt make us a diety, Because there is only 1 God. it doesnt make us Lords and christs either, it simply makes us children of God born through Faith in the One and only begotten Son of God.


we are children of God, it doesnt make us God, the scrip0ture says " gods" as like what you are saying, we are Just who Jesus showed Us we are, children of God. it needs to be understood who Jesus is, because it makes us children of God.

1 corinthians 8:4-6 "As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. 5For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.


Notice the semi colon which seperates the statement

a punctuation mark ( indicating a pause, typically between two main clauses, that is more pronounced than that indicated by a comma.

Actually we are 'christs' Check it...Christ is NOT Jesus' last name as many seem to think. The word 'Christ' simply means "The anointed one or His anointing' We are anointed with the same anointing that Jesus is anointed with. So....Are we christs? YUP We are anointed ones

 

[graceNpeace]

Actually we are 'christs' Check it...Christ is NOT Jesus' last name as many seem to think. The word 'Christ' simply means "The anointed one or His anointing' We are anointed with the same anointing that Jesus is anointed with. So....Are we christs? YUP We are anointed ones

Fascinating.
So in two recent posts you claim we are "gods" (little "g" accepted),
and now that we are all "christs" (little "c" accepted).

It is not going lead back to your very first thread on this forum is it?
We shall see.

 

[Denadii]

Fascinating.
So in two recent posts you claim we are "gods" (little "g" accepted),
and now that we are all "christs" (little "c" accepted).

It is not going lead back to your very first thread on this forum is it?
We shall see.

Hmmmm It seems you would rather fight than search out the truth of it. There is the religious nonsense. Your religious bigotry is really sad.

 

[followjesus]

Actually we are 'christs' Check it...Christ is NOT Jesus' last name as many seem to think. The word 'Christ' simply means "The anointed one or His anointing' We are anointed with the same anointing that Jesus is anointed with. So....Are we christs? YUP We are anointed ones

naw i wouldnt identify myself as a Christ, sure annointed with the Holy spirit through Christ. Naw i never implied Jesus has a last name Christ, thats His title given to Him By God the Father. I personally would never say were christs. but possibly i guess. as Long as we undertand this

1 corinthians 8:6 "yet to us there is one God the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we through Him.

Jesus The Christ, would be proper. because of this

acts 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.


Im not aware of any scripture saying we are ourselves Christ's I am However aware of this

Romans 8:16-17 "The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Christ is The One who brought us into sonship through Faith In the on of God, who is the Christ and includes us in the inheritance God gave to Him. when He said this

psalm 2:6-12 "Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.7I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
8Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.10Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. << us
11Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.12Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

we share in the Sons inheritance, having received the Holy spirit, the spirit that testifies of this

1 John 3:1 "Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

Galatians 4:4-7 "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. 6And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 7Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.


so i dont really see us as christs, but rather servants of Jesus who is the Christ and Son of God the real message of the gospel to me is that those who accept Jesus the Only begotten Son, the Christ promised all along, become Hiers of eternal Life through Him and only Him. it doesnt make us God, doeant make Us Jesus Christ the Lord......we inherit sonship through the Only Son is how i see it. Gods spirit was in Jesus, and we recieve Both Father and Son the father isnt the Christ, nor am i , im Just a person who has faith in Jesus, and am promised the title child of God through Jesus the Christ.

 

[miknik5]

that was the whole point of me bringing up the fact that having Gods spirit in us, because of Jesus, this doesnt make us a diety, Because there is only 1 God. it doesnt make us Lords and christs either, it simply makes us children of God born through Faith in the One and only begotten Son of God.


we are children of God, it doesnt make us God, the scrip0ture says " gods" as like what you are saying, we are Just who Jesus showed Us we are, children of God. it needs to be understood who Jesus is, because it makes us children of God.

1 corinthians 8:4-6 "As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. 5For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.


Notice the semi colon which seperates the statement

a punctuation mark ( indicating a pause, typically between two main clauses, that is more pronounced than that indicated by a comma.

and we in who?

according to the scriptures you noted above. Could you tell us who the "him" mentioned in the verse "and we in him" refers to?

 

[graceNpeace]

Hmmmm It seems you would rather fight than search out the truth of it. There is the religious nonsense. Your religious bigotry is really sad.

You are the one making the claims here, surely the burden of proof is on you...

And how you interpret my post as looking for fight, or religious nonsense, or religious bigotry is beyond me.

 

[miknik5]

Actually we are 'christs' Check it...Christ is NOT Jesus' last name as many seem to think. The word 'Christ' simply means "The anointed one or His anointing' We are anointed with the same anointing that Jesus is anointed with. So....Are we christs? YUP We are anointed ones

No one declared us holy when we were born into the world

HE was declared holy even before HE came into the world

 

[Denadii]

naw i wouldnt identify myself as a Christ, sure annointed with the Holy spirit through Christ. Naw i never implied Jesus has a last name Christ, thats His title given to Him By God the Father. I personally would never say were christs. but possibly i guess. as Long as we undertand this

1 corinthians 8:6 "yet to us there is one God the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we through Him.

Jesus The Christ, would be proper. because of this

acts 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.


Im not aware of any scripture saying we are ourselves Christ's I am However aware of this

Romans 8:16-17 "The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Christ is The One who brought us into sonship through Faith In the on of God, who is the Christ and includes us in the inheritance God gave to Him. when He said this

psalm 2:6-12 "Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.7I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
8Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.10Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. << us
11Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.12Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

we share in the Sons inheritance, having received the Holy spirit, the spirit that testifies of this

1 John 3:1 "Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

Galatians 4:4-7 "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. 6And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 7Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.


so i dont really see us as christs, but rather servants of Jesus who is the Christ and Son of God the real message of the gospel to me is that those who accept Jesus the Only begotten Son, the Christ promised all along, become Hiers of eternal Life through Him and only Him. it doesnt make us God, doeant make Us Jesus Christ the Lord......we inherit sonship through the Only Son is how i see it. Gods spirit was in Jesus, and we recieve Both Father and Son the father isnt the Christ, nor am i , im Just a person who has faith in Jesus, and am promised the title child of God through Jesus the Christ.

LOL OK If Christ means the anointed one... and we are anointed... then we are christs..The anointed ones

 

[followjesus]

In John 9, after JESUS tells these "learned men of the law" that if the SON sets you free, you are free, HE heals a blind man from birth...

And here is those who are supposed to be experts in the truths of GOD, and they can't make a right judgment about HIM.
Yet, a man born blind, comes to the gradual revelation that HE is who HE said HE is...


...and he worships HIM...


Interesting...and tragic...isn't it.

yeah its pretty tragic, but Gods plan as He explains in romans 11, thie isrealites rebelled so much, that God blined them and bound them over to disobedience as the gentile had already been bound to disobedience, so that together with isreal He could save us by Mercy in sending Jesus to be savior of all men whether isreal or gentile all are the same since the Christ appeared.

all who will accept Jesus now have the way of Sons. but you gotta put your faith in Him, the Only begotten Son, and hear His word in order to be set free of sin.... keeping it as He said.

 

[miknik5]

Hmmmm It seems you would rather fight than search out the truth of it. There is the religious nonsense. Your religious bigotry is really sad.

Ye are "gods" to whom the WORD of GOD has come

And the only ONE to go to who has THE WORDS of ETERNAL LIFE and gives ETERNAL LIFE to all those who come to HIM is CHRIST

 

[miknik5]

This is getting worse and worse

the author of this thread started his op with many testimonies regarding CHRIST
Yet a poster suggests that we are all Christ's?



Is the testimony of John regarding JESUS as the ONLY CHRIST overlooked?

and not only that, does the author of this thread not correct the error

No, Just as John testified....we are not the christ

 

[followjesus]

LOL OK If Christ means the anointed one... and we are anointed... then we are christs..The anointed ones

naw the prophets were annonted as well, and they are never called christs. our annointing comes with Gifts also. the Christ is a One only title. but yeah you know im not wanting to argue, could be like you are saying, i try to just stick wuth what is written, and im not aware of any place where were Given the title christ, as far as I know Jesus alone Holds that one, but maybe i missed it im not sure. either way there is One God who is the Father, and One begotten Son whos name is Jesus, and we are begotten through His word by the will of God.

thats How i see it because i can show you all those things in scripture plainly and dont ned to part with whats written. but thats Just me and my belief about staying in what is written and making that the limitations. were children Because it says we are Jesus is the Only begotten because it Says He is, God is the Father because it says He is.....thats how i let my thinking be and im comfortable with whats written and confident in whats there.

1 corinthians 4:6 "Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the saying: "Nothing beyond what is written." The purpose is that none of you will be inflated with pride in favor of one person over another.

the written word is not meant to create arguments we should be able to settle arguments by scripture, often, most often really in a public forum like this, its taken as one scripture and then a person lets thier mind run away from the rest and think it opposes itself so you have one person quoting one scripture, another quoting another and arguing against scripture because whats being said isnt found in one scripoture or the other, its found when scripture reconciles scripture until the proper and perfect order of things becomes clear.

 

[Denadii]

Ye are "gods" to whom the WORD of GOD has come

And the only ONE to go to who has THE WORDS of ETERNAL LIFE and gives ETERNAL LIFE to all those who come to HIM is CHRIST

Denadii nods.
Psalm 82:6
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.






John 10:34
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?