JESUS IS WILLING, BE HEALED!

PeterJens · Feb 19, 2016

There is a simple reality. People have been preaching this and trying to walk in it since the 70's, and apart from a few people, it is mainly optimism followed by failure. And those who madly follow it tend to be heretics.

If you share about love from the heart, walking in righteousness, overcoming sin, you are called evil.
Now this demonstrates much of what is talked about is just spiritual show bizz and not real spirituality.

If things were different down through church history we would have a different experience.

un2him · Feb 19, 2016

coby said:

Well is a work in progress! First you have to get the believers to believe what God has given them and said. Then retrain them from the brainwashing they've been under. Some their whole life. Oops did I say that?

God is willing if you would believe and step out in faith. You will be out of your comfort level so is good to find someone who has done this before.

This is so much more then just telling God loves them it demonstrates to them God is real.

If there was a greater time to hear this I surly don't know when.

un2him · Feb 19, 2016

PeterJens said:

Sounds like an excuse to me a "simple reality"

That's almost as bad as the spiritual show buzz

Guess for lack of scripture and a lack of faith your showing now. I have no more to say to you.

coby · Feb 19, 2016

PeterJens said:

So there are people who call it evil and there is show bizz and thus it isn't true? And because people didn't believe or teach it for almost 2000 years means it's not true?
Biblical reference please that it was only for the apostles.

Turbo Thorben hates overcoming sin, now good? Sorry that's Dunglish.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P6Fo3BN1m7M

PeterJens · Feb 20, 2016

coby said:

Turbo Thorben is unusual. His theology is also a bit odd.
The point is simple, the Lord does not want to heal everyone of everything. We are not on a blind healing spree.
Historically the reason why so many people are alive today is because of our ability to grow food, distribute it, stop illnesses that killed people with medicine, and have support systems in place to help the needy and vulnerable.

Now for all the claims of wonderful healing, it is rare and often minor. Situation after situation investigators have gone in and found little or no real evidence. But golden teeth put in by dentists claimed as miraculous, many, or feathers, or fake gold dust, or gems left by angels. I believe in healing, but only in special situations, by Gods grace.

I was with a group of elderly people yesterday, who are getting near the end of their lives. Most are hanging on in there, not sure what death holds or why. Healing for them would often be just another intervention which continues the wait.

The focus in our society needs to be on how we care and support one another in righteousness and truth empowered by Jesus. People now tend to trust in wealth and medical support, both of which work, but spiritually are empty.

On the other side you have christian mystics who claim illness is all bound up in stress and not walking in the spirit.

Now I praise the Lord for healings that are done as a demonstration of His life in people, but it in the end is minor.

The question is how many healings have you seen, actually seen in your life that you can testify to as definately a miracle, ie could not have been caused by other means? One or two? That is my point, rare.

I have seen in our church person upon person get cancer, be prayed for and die. Yes we always bring people to the Lord in need, to support and help, but rarely is the answer, "take up your mat and walk". Why? Because we want the hard edges of life removed rather than accepting this world is brutal and hard, though love conquers all. People reject Jesus not because He is not real, but because the love sin more than walking in the light.

coby · Feb 20, 2016

PeterJens said:

Turbo Thorben is unusual. His theology is also a bit odd.
The point is simple, the Lord does not want to heal everyone of everything. We are not on a blind healing spree.
Historically the reason why so many people are alive today is because of our ability to grow food, distribute it, stop illnesses that killed people with medicine, and have support systems in place to help the needy and vulnerable.

Now for all the claims of wonderful healing, it is rare and often minor. Situation after situation investigators have gone in and found little or no real evidence. But golden teeth put in by dentists claimed as miraculous, many, or feathers, or fake gold dust, or gems left by angels. I believe in healing, but only in special situations, by Gods grace.

I was with a group of elderly people yesterday, who are getting near the end of their lives. Most are hanging on in there, not sure what death holds or why. Healing for them would often be just another intervention which continues the wait.

The focus in our society needs to be on how we care and support one another in righteousness and truth empowered by Jesus. People now tend to trust in wealth and medical support, both of which work, but spiritually are empty.

On the other side you have christian mystics who claim illness is all bound up in stress and not walking in the spirit.

Now I praise the Lord for healings that are done as a demonstration of His life in people, but it in the end is minor.

The question is how many healings have you seen, actually seen in your life that you can testify to as definately a miracle, ie could not have been caused by other means? One or two? That is my point, rare.

I have seen in our church person upon person get cancer, be prayed for and die. Yes we always bring people to the Lord in need, to support and help, but rarely is the answer, "take up your mat and walk". Why? Because we want the hard edges of life removed rather than accepting this world is brutal and hard, though love conquers all. People reject Jesus not because He is not real, but because the love sin more than walking in the light.

Healing is not the most important thing, but worldwide a lot of people are getting saved because of it and that should be the main focus and a whole lot of regular believers are getting kickstarted. Why is his theology odd? Jesus came to set us free from sin and sickness. If people want to go to heaven, no problem, don't pray for healing, but a lot need it and I wouldn't have been saved if I didn't see signs and I know more of these people. If you don't see signs and miracles you will by no means believe He said to the man whose son got healed and he came to the Lord and his whole house.

wolfwint · Feb 20, 2016

Like it or not we are called by God to walk by faith and not by sight. He tells us in His Word that without faith., it is impossible to please Him. If you want proof for why God does what He does or doesn't do., you may be very disappointed for a very long time. Blessed are they who don't see and yet believe.

Faith doesn't always give us proof before we step into the water. Most often it's not until we take the step like they did when Moses parted the Red Sea or when Peter walked out on the water towards Jesus. Our guarantee is His Word and His steadfast love for us. "Looking to Jesus the Author and Finisher of our faith"
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Ladylynn, with this i fully agree!

While many people have observed that some sick and suffering and dying do NOT get healed, others have observed that many sick and suffering and dying DO get healed. Sometimes healing is immediate and other times it is progressive. and IN the progression., we learn a bunch of things about Jesus and our salvation and His love for us that we might not have other wise learned.
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Thats right, but the theme of this threat is: "Jesus is willing be healed"
So who can say to somebody : Jesus is willing to heal you - be healed!? And then nothing happend.
If this statement is rigth, and if it is right that we have the task to heal the people as it was during the Apostels time, then I would expect the results which we can read in the gospels and in acts.! All who came to Jesus and the Apostels which asked for healing got healed! We read in John 20,30ff about the purpose of Jesus miracles deeds. He did for to show that he is Jesus Christ the promissed Messiah, the son of God, as it was prophecied in the OT.
The Apostel could heal for a certain time. All verses which mentioned that the mass came to Paul ore Peter they got all healed. But this time was limited.
Later we see that Paul, Trophimus and also Timothy were sick. Paul asked Jesus 3 times to remove the handycap was he had. Paul must leave back Trophimus sick in milet; And Paul gave Timothy the adwise to dring not only water, but also wine for medicine.

The reality today is, that Jesus heals not as he did during his walk on earth. Not because he has not the power to do it, ore is not loving us, but because this was and is not the main goal he has with us.
Do you realy believe that the people which Jesus healed in the past and heals today will not get sick with an other deasaese? And finaly will die? Lacarus came out of the tomb, but finaly he died, too.
I am never said that Jesus is not healing today, but if somebody claim that Jesus heals today as he did during his walk, then he should proof it in the way that 100% of the people which come to him and ask for healing will be healed.

This proof you cant bring. Even nobody cant say: "Jesus is willing, be healed. " without a task. It is Jesus who decides what he want not we. If you can show me a bible vers which state that Jesus sayed that all who belive in him will be live in physical health here on earth (in heaven we will), than please show me.

Of course I see a different to the mission field. Here Jesus reveals power more, because here he shows to pagans that he has more power then their gods.

The most people which searching for healings in our christian world are christians which belong to a church. Why then searching for healing in healing services, but not acting according James 5,14? Some running from one healing service to the next without getting healed. Maby it i for our Lord more important that we trust him sick, then in health.

I am not against healings, but i am against false promisses! We all are weak, and are depend on out Lord.

The secret place of the Most High is a personal place. He made us personal beings. We are also social beings and need other people BUT we are also isolated to some degree and God wants to be the One to meet that need to fill that void. No one can meet God for us as individuals when we see Him face to face and answer for the things we did or didn't do.

God doesn't have any grand children.

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thats correct!
be blessed

PeterJens · Feb 20, 2016

coby said:

Torben Søndergaard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91xDwwjcqsE

His theology is about baptism becoming critical to salvation, tongues as a sign of being filled with the spirit.

This is not that unusual. Praying for people in the street again is not unusual. People do actually feel better, but it has been shown this is often just social suggestion and not actual healing.

I am all for enthusiasm and witness, talking about the power within and how Jesus transforms us.
YWAM have been doing this for 50+ years, and many different revival groups, talking about healing everywhere.
The content is always the same, and occasionally a real healing takes place.

I am not trying to be negative but real. I have been part of charismatic churches for 30+ years, but the truth about walking in faith is mainly loving and doing good to those around. And those who are in these groups have always opposed talking about righteousness and the walk, as if they are in opposition to each other.

If you are given the gift of faith to believe for healing of someone, then walk in it and pray. I have not that faith.
Coby, I am happy that you have this faith, so walk in it, and pray for those you meet with need, maybe the Lord will hear and honour your faith, if it is His will. As a child my parents did not give me everything I asked for, so do not be disappointed if this does not quite work out as hoped for.

coby · Feb 20, 2016

PeterJens said:

Torben Søndergaard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91xDwwjcqsE

His theology is about baptism becoming critical to salvation, tongues as a sign of being filled with the spirit.

This is not that unusual. Praying for people in the street again is not unusual. People do actually feel better, but it has been shown this is often just social suggestion and not actual healing.

I am all for enthusiasm and witness, talking about the power within and how Jesus transforms us.
YWAM have been doing this for 50+ years, and many different revival groups, talking about healing everywhere.
The content is always the same, and occasionally a real healing takes place.

I am not trying to be negative but real. I have been part of charismatic churches for 30+ years, but the truth about walking in faith is mainly loving and doing good to those around. And those who are in these groups have always opposed talking about righteousness and the walk, as if they are in opposition to each other.

If you are given the gift of faith to believe for healing of someone, then walk in it and pray. I have not that faith.
Coby, I am happy that you have this faith, so walk in it, and pray for those you meet with need, maybe the Lord will hear and honour your faith, if it is His will. As a child my parents did not give me everything I asked for, so do not be disappointed if this does not quite work out as hoped for.

Hey that last thing is funny. I was the youngest and spoiled, I got everything I wanted or double. I lost a bear, aawww poor thing, got 2 back from my dad.

un2him · Feb 20, 2016

Jesus is willing indeed!

What was it that kept Smith Wigglesworth, Johnathan Lake, Kathrien Kuhlman, Charles and Frances Hunter determinded to see thousands healed?

I am convinced they had much opposition, many obstacles and problems to get anyone to believe this was God's will.

As I studied there was one common thing that set them apart from everyone else ...they believed that Gods word was true and faithful.

Now was there anything special about there appearances? Not that I could tell. Was it about the money? Nope

Were they delusional... We'll many probably thought that.. you know those who seem to find fault with everything.

Were they sick and tired of people saying God doesn't do that any more? Probably

But regardless of all the opinions all the battles all the naysayers all the religiously righteous all the conventional wisdom of that time... God shows up.

So what was it a fluke...surly it was heretical a false teacher oh the names they must have been called.

Well fast forward here we are in a "quote Christian form" and we still have people who act and say the same things.

Jesus did say few miricals took place in own community. Why was that? Oh that five letter word Faith!

coby · Feb 20, 2016

John G. Lake first saw a lot of his family members die and thought it was God's will. Then he found out it wasn't.

We have a saying here they tell kids:
Kids that ask won't get anything.
Lol a preacher here also teaches kids and tells them: Next time someone says that to you tell them it's not Biblical. Ask and you shall receive.

un2him · Feb 20, 2016

He also goes on to heal over100,000 documented in a five year period. Amazing Faith!

wolfwint · Feb 20, 2016

coby said:

Healing is not the most important thing, but worldwide a lot of people are getting saved because of it and that should be the main focus and a whole lot of regular believers are getting kickstarted. Why is his theology odd? Jesus came to set us free from sin and sickness. If people want to go to heaven, no problem, don't pray for healing, but a lot need it and I wouldn't have been saved if I didn't see signs and I know more of these people. If you don't see signs and miracles you will by no means believe He said to the man whose son got healed and he came to the Lord and his whole house.

Please show me the vers in bible, where Jesus promissed to free us from all physical sickness.

PeterJens · Feb 20, 2016

un2him said:

The argument that was used was people would believe Jesus and His gospel if there was healing. Unfortunately this was not true. People believed Jesus because their hearts were open to love and righteousness and wanted to resolve the sin issues they had in their lives.

The people of Israel saw God in the pillar of smoke and fire, heard him speak and yet still rebelled.
Time and again God blessed Israel but they still went astray.

Jesus came to Israel, yet they were to busy. Yes miracles will follow His people, but it is the change in heart that matters.
The biggest problem in the church is people taking love seriously and how it impacts all of who we are.

Emotional reality matters above all things, and it is the one thing we all find hard. CC is a demonstration of people from many different backgrounds and reading of scripture cannot even agree often on what love and righteousness actually means. If anything I find this most disappointing, and is the real divide.

If I am called having an evil spirit to stand up for Jesus and His words, I doubt there is great discernment and wisdom in this clamor for power, which is more just wow, look at spiritual authority not spiritual content.

Hyper-grace is another example of this hypocracy, where the very opposite of what Jesus held up as the Kingdom is paraded as if this is truth.

Dr Carolin Leaf and her ideas are just wrong, missguided, where life and disease are based in toxic thought and not simple biological reality. But this brings a message everything is spiritual and not real, which is the idea everything evil is demons and everything good is Jesus, which is just superstition and mysticism.

So I have less and less respect for a movement that is just full of itself and domination, condemning any critism as evil spirits rather than critism is 100% valid and truth matters more than simple ideas.

John Wimber & Jack Frost both held deeply to healing, but both died not conquering their illnesses.
Some ascribed satan to their illness, rather than the time of their leaving had come, and the message is always more important than the humble person who carries it. We always want to understand more than our gifting, and fit into being significant rather than just a servant to the King.

un2him · Feb 20, 2016

Kenneth Hagin has some great teaching series on YouTube Faith, hearing from God, the move of the Spirit and a few others. Has a gift of teaching with the experience that so many teaches today lack.

ForthAngel · Feb 20, 2016

un2him said:

Hagin is a known heretic.

starblue · Feb 20, 2016

Agricola said:

I have been praying for healing for 12 years for God to heal me of fibromyalgia. I know God has here'd my prayers even though I am still sick because I know that he will never leave me or desert me.
We don't know Gods plan for us, I don't know why im still sick, but I do know my suffering is all for the Glory of God. I ask all the time "Dear lord please deliver me of this illness, or give me the strength to see it through". Gods timing isn't our timing, we have to wait and pray just like Jobe did.

Grace777x70 · Feb 20, 2016

just pure garbage....I heard that MacArthur is a known heretic too..I saw it on the internet....everyone is a heretic when they don't believe what the other one does.....everyone is a heretic to someone else...it's the nature of the beast..

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coby · Feb 20, 2016

wolfwint said:

Why only one?

Isaiah 53:5

But he*was*wounded for our transgressions,*he was*bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace*was*upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Mark 16
And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;*18*they[a]*will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.

James 5
Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.*15*And the prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise him up.*

1 Peter 2:24*- Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Matthew 10:8*- Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

Deuteronomy 7:15*- And the LORD will take away from thee all sickness, and will put none of the evil diseases of Egypt, which thou knowest, upon thee; but will lay them upon all [them] that hate thee.

Psalm 103
Bless the*Lord, O my soul,
And forget not all His benefits:
3*Who forgives all your iniquities,
Who heals all your diseases,

ForthAngel · Feb 20, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Show me MacArthur's heresies. Proof. I can prove Hagin is and already have on a few threads here.

Hagin teaches:

We are little gods after salvation (in the sense of deity)
We are equal to God in all respects
We can speak things into existence (power of creation just like God's)
He has lied many times about dreams and visions that were found untrue
He claims Jesus died spiritually on the cross and was no longer deity
He claims Jesus was not born divine but attained Godhood sometime later
He claims Jesus was tortured in Hell
He plagiarized the work of Essek Kenyon and built doctrine off of it. Kenyon introduced heretical occult doctrine that was then plagiarized by Hagin and taught as "Christian truth"
He introduced the occultic "New Thought" that was made popular by another heretic Mary Baker Eddy that got her ideas from Phineas Quimby
Much of what Hagin teaches is straight from Theosophy and New Thought philosophies.

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