JESUS IS WILLING, BE HEALED!

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ladylynn

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Here is a short message that shows the thorn in the flesh was not a sickness as religion ahs said in the past...


[video=youtube;DQP6yY0lQ34]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQP6yY0lQ34[/video]




Too bad many here will not even listen to this young man. Tons of truths go out from here but very often these simple truths are ignored because people believe there is no more to learn. (?) We will always be learning!!

We were taught that the thorn in Paul's flesh was a sickness or disease (probably the eye) .... and without question we believed what we were taught AND not only that., we told others about it as if it were 100% Biblical FACT. When in FACT is was a wrong interpretation I've since realized based on the grace and forgiveness and goodness of God. God does NOT cause illness disease and pestilence. Especially for His beloved children.

 
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That has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that God wants us all healed...just because someone was sick?....Paul is not Jesus so unless the gifts of the Spirit were manifested as the Spirit wills...Trophemus has to trust in the Lord for himself as we all do..

.but some times the gifts of the Spirit do operate at times in people to heal others....why He chooses some to heal without faith and not others...I have no idea.....

There is also the story of the woman with the issue of blood that came to Jesus and just touched Him and that caused power to come out of Him to heal her without Jesus even knowing she was there....some things we can access from Jesus by having our own faith in Him.

Mark 5:27-28 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] When she had heard of Jesus, came in the press behind, and touched his garment.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] For she said, If I may touch but his clothes, I shall be whole.


Ok then research Trophemus and you'll find that Paul had to leave him sick to the point of death.
 
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Here is a great video on " Does God really want to heal us?...

[video=youtube;PHttKQRC6ak]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHttKQRC6ak[/video]
 
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Beloved777

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Here is another one talking specifically about what is "a thorn in the flesh"..using scripture...

[video=youtube;B78rZD06_G8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B78rZD06_G8&ebc=ANyPxKrN5Qc5AiPrLM9eW7ugov Cwepu13_6pBPJsg5Bd50WND_9E2vh9_1bOKprEZQachq5O8sRX 5E5siDF9L5WIl1mI_tqvrQ[/video]
One can only speculate what that thorn was, but there is no doubt that it was some form of infirmity. The point is: God did not heal him of it.
 
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Beloved777

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That has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that God wants us all healed...just because someone was sick?....Paul is not Jesus so unless the gifts of the Spirit were manifested as the Spirit wills...Trophemus has to trust in the Lord for himself as we all do..

.but some times the gifts of the Spirit do operate at times in people to heal others....why He chooses some to heal without faith and not others...I have no idea.....

There is also the story of the woman with the issue of blood that came to Jesus and just touched Him and that caused power to come out of Him to heal her without Jesus even knowing she was there....some things we can access from Jesus by having our own faith in Him.

Mark 5:27-28 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] When she had heard of Jesus, came in the press behind, and touched his garment.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] For she said, If I may touch but his clothes, I shall be whole.
So, since I obviously didn't have enough faith to be healed, I must not even be saved right?
 
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coby

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Dear Coby, according i believe that the Lord is acting in a different way with the Life of his children. I know christians which was healed from cancer and others which died with their cancer.
I believe also that the Lord is healing today! But what the thread is talking about is that every christian will be healed from his sickness. And this is a false teaching! Otherwise you can proof me that every christian is healed from his sickness.

Do you know why so much false teachings arose among christianity? Because of false using and teaching from word of God!

If it would be right, that Jesus heales everybody why the Paul had to take his thorn in flesh which was caused from a demon. (2. Corithians 12) ore why he has to leave Trophimus in Miletus. After healing such a mass on people he was not able to heal Trophimus ore Timothy, who had stomach problems?

If it would be right, that Jesus heals everybody then it is unbelieve to go to a doctor ore to take medicine.

And what was happend with the christians which lived before the pentecostal movement was foundet in 1906?
Next year we are celebrating in Germany 500 years of Marthin Luther. All the reformation churches which build in this time, (Baptists, Calvinists, Mennonites, Lutherans and so on) had to live till 1906 without the sign gifts of the Holy Spirit.
And when the sign gifts came they identify them from a false spirit. (Even brethern which thought first it is from God)

I tell you, this is a false doctrine! And it destroys the faith of many brothers and sisters, because the expierience that they got not healed. What was the wrong? Their faith? Ore the promise?

In the bible we find many promises, but i cant find the promise: If you follow me you never will face physical sickness.

And please if you read what I wrote than read everything and not what you want to read. It is what I see from scripture and from what i see around me. I know the most in this thread will not agree with what i wrote, but what should I do?

be blessed
I read nowhere that everyone will be healed, only that He wants to heal everyone.
Except when it's someone's time maybe it's God's will to heal, but even then we have the authority to even go against His will, like Wigglesworth raising his wife from the dead the second time, but God told him to let her go since that was His will.
What about the people before 1906?
My people perish because of lack of knowledge. They got false teaching that we can't heal the sick in His Name anymore, so how can you believe if you don't hear that Word but a false teaching?
A lot died because of not discerning the Body whatever that may mean.
Unbelief by not hearing the Word that God wants to heal and that we can heal the sick in His Name, but some human explanation to why it's not as in Jesus' time anymore.
Unbelief from the ones that have to pray for the sick, the elders. Jesus blamed His disciples for being a faithless generation when they couldn't help the son of a guy, not the dad, nor his son.
The church is not in revival and unity and mature.
If you want the same results as Jesus and the disciples you must do the same. Jesus prayed for nights, got almost no sleep. You can't eat chips and hang before the tv and internet the whole day, pray 5 minutes and expect the same power to flow through you and people healing in your shadow like with Peter. They lived holy, they prayed a lot, they laid down their lives, they were all in one accord praying, not 10.000 denominations and fights.
 
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There was no sickness to heal him from.....but the passage does say that the grace of Jesus was enough for the situation which was most likely people that were coming against him because of Paul's revelation of Jesus and His finished work. It was a messenger of satan...not from God...

One can only speculate what that thorn was, but there is no doubt that it was some form of infirmity. The point is: God did not heal him of it.
 

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So, since I obviously didn't have enough faith to be healed, I must not even be saved right?
Having to have a certain percentage of faith to be healed, is a bunch of horse pucky. You need only BELIEVE you're healed. But even then, healing is NOT guaranteed. It ticks me off royally when someone tells me I don't have enough faith OR belief to get healed. Makes me very angry indeed. And being saved or not has nothing to do with whether a person gets healed or not.
 

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Healing is not always a sure thing no matter how much faith you have, I have no doubt that God can heal me I ask him and I pray but the end of it is always according to your will not my own. it isn't doubt or lack of faith that keeps my body from being healed it's about my will vs his, if it was his will that i was healed it would have happened as I am not lacking in faith and trust in him. Besides that I desire that my heart and spirit are healed first before my body
 

blue_ladybug

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What?...where in the world would you come up with such a crazy statement?
I've actually had some twits here tell me that before. That since I (supposedly) don't have enough faith, that I'm not saved. :/ The people who told me that are the ones who are crazy.. lol
 
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......healing is definitely in the true gospel of the grace of Christ message.....as can be seen when Paul preached the gospel in Lystra. in Acts 14.

Acts 14:7-10 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] and there they continued to preach the gospel.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] At Lystra a man was sitting who had no strength in his feet, lame from his mother's womb, who had never walked.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] This man was listening to Paul as he spoke, who, when he had fixed his gaze on him and had seen that he had faith to be made well,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] said with a loud voice, "Stand upright on your feet." And he leaped up and began to walk.


Paul was preaching the GOSPEL.... the man lame was listening to Paul and then he had faith to be made whole...where did this man get faith to be made whole in his body?

Romans 10:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

The man that was lame from birth heard in the preaching of the gospel of the grace of Christ that he could be made whole. He believed...Paul saw it in him and encouraged him to act on his faith.

Healing is a part of the gospel of the grace of Christ as having your sins forgiven and being born-again is. But if you never hear it...how can you have faith to believe it?
 
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ladylynn

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Here is another one talking specifically about what is "a thorn in the flesh"..using scripture...

[video=youtube;B78rZD06_G8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B78rZD06_G8&ebc=ANyPxKrN5Qc5AiPrLM9eW7ugov Cwepu13_6pBPJsg5Bd50WND_9E2vh9_1bOKprEZQachq5O8sRX 5E5siDF9L5WIl1mI_tqvrQ[/video]


Another smart kid who was taught properly from the Bible ... Biblical proofs .... listen and learn you older people who post here.. we are always learning., even this young man can teach us something.

And many of us have lived long enough to identify with the fact that annoying people can surely be a pain in the butt. I LOVE THIS KID!!!! speaks like a future preacher or teacher for a good solid church. :D

Sure hope some of you sharing on this thread will take some time to listen to this young man. Also, no one has said "none of us ever gets sick." We do get sick at times., but we pray and go to our Good Shepherd the great Physician. Sometimes we are healed in a short time. Other times we are called to keep praying keep believing., and reading the Word and saying those healing verses each day. Filling our minds and mouths with the healing words of the Bible. Saying them., praying them believing them and meditating on them while waiting on the Lord.

He is worth waiting for. Amen.
 

Blain

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Having to have a certain percentage of faith to be healed, is a bunch of horse pucky. You need only BELIEVE you're healed. But even then, healing is NOT guaranteed. It ticks me off royally when someone tells me I don't have enough faith OR belief to get healed. Makes me very angry indeed. And being saved or not has nothing to do with whether a person gets healed or not.
I find that the impossible is made possible much more often by believing and relying on his power than relying on the strength or amount of our faith. Leaning on him instead of the strength of our faith I have noticed that instead of doing a word of faith type thing or attempting to do things according to the amount of faith i have when I instead lean on him and rely on his strength and power even if I am lacking in faith to make a mountain move that mountain moves anyways.

In my weakness he is strong and when I thought I was lacking in faith when I could not be healed by the amount or strength of my own faith when I leaned on him because my faith was not enough I found what true faith is and learned I was not lacking after all. The faith to move a mountain to receive or see a miracle is measured not on the strength or amount of our faith but rather our faith and belief in him and what he can do
 
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That's ridiculous...sometimes people when they first get a revelation of things in Christ..they go off all cocky and condemn others for not knowing it...these are baby Christians acting like that. I would just ignore them......don't give them a thought Lady Blue....:)

I've actually had some twits here tell me that before. That since I (supposedly) don't have enough faith, that I'm not saved. :/ The people who told me that are the ones who are crazy.. lol
 

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We were taught that the thorn in Paul's flesh was a sickness or disease (probably the eye) .... and without question we believed what we were taught AND not only that., we told others about it as if it were 100% Biblical FACT. When in FACT is was a wrong interpretation I've since realized based on the grace and forgiveness and goodness of God. God does NOT cause illness disease and pestilence. Especially for His beloved children.
I believe the first half of the video, that Paul's 'thorn' was poor eyesight. Do you think God would allow his chief apostle to be possessed by a demon? The Holy Spirit and demonic ones can't dwell in the same house. Just as Job was stricken with illness and afflictions, Satan (demons) can cause a lot of havoc in a persons life, but as God told Paul; 'My grace is sufficient for you' ... jmo
 
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Physical healing is not always God's will!
I agree with you. But what I also counsel is if someone sees healing and wholeness, it is a good thing.
If we could walk in this love, would that not be a good thing. So many suffer and have many problems.
I do not understand why so much fails to walk properly in these things or only partially.

If we could walk in gifts of faith to believe and ask for healing and the Lord heals, would that not be a good thing?
I have no problem with people who can walk in reality, but so often people walk in what they do not know or experience.
 
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Amen..it's the same principal as when we are attacked in our mind from the enemy about our salvation..These thoughts come...".are we really saved?.."...the enemy will cast a thought into our minds and make us think it's from us.." How could you think that if you were a Christian?"..as he accuses us...

What's the antidote for this warfare in our minds?..having our minds renewed with the truth of Christ and His finished work on our behalf....the principal is the same for everything in the kingdom...from healing to following God's plan for our life..whatever it is..there will be a battle as the enemy comes immediately to steal the word that has been sown.

Another smart kid who was taught properly from the Bible ... Biblical proofs .... listen and learn you older people who post here.. we are always learning., even this young man can teach us something.

And many of us have lived long enough to identify with the fact that annoying people can surely be a pain in the butt. I LOVE THIS KID!!!! speaks like a future preacher or teacher for a good solid church. :D

Sure hope some of you sharing on this thread will take some time to listen to this young man. Also, no one has said "none of us ever gets sick." We do get sick at times., but we pray and go to our Good Shepherd the great Physician. Sometimes we are healed in a short time. Other times we are called to keep praying keep believing., and reading the Word and saying those healing verses each day. Filling our minds and mouths with the healing words of the Bible. Saying them., praying them believing them and meditating on them while waiting on the Lord.

He is worth waiting for. Amen.
 

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I read nowhere that everyone will be healed, only that He wants to heal everyone.
Except when it's someone's time maybe it's God's will to heal, but even then we have the authority to even go against His will, like Wigglesworth raising his wife from the dead the second time, but God told him to let her go since that was His will.
What about the people before 1906?
My people perish because of lack of knowledge. They got false teaching that we can't heal the sick in His Name anymore, so how can you believe if you don't hear that Word but a false teaching?
A lot died because of not discerning the Body whatever that may mean.
Unbelief by not hearing the Word that God wants to heal and that we can heal the sick in His Name, but some human explanation to why it's not as in Jesus' time anymore.
Unbelief from the ones that have to pray for the sick, the elders. Jesus blamed His disciples for being a faithless generation when they couldn't help the son of a guy, not the dad, nor his son.
The church is not in revival and unity and mature.
If you want the same results as Jesus and the disciples you must do the same. Jesus prayed for nights, got almost no sleep. You can't eat chips and hang before the tv and internet the whole day, pray 5 minutes and expect the same power to flow through you and people healing in your shadow like with Peter. They lived holy, they prayed a lot, they laid down their lives, they were all in one accord praying, not 10.000 denominations and fights.
Actually it is really not clear that Jesus was addressing His disciples in that manner. Jesus seemed to be talking to the father and the crowd, and He rather scathingly replied to the father in verse 23. He did later tell the disciples that that sort of spirit can only come out with prayer. From Mark chapter 9:

17 A man in the crowd answered, “Teacher, I brought you my son, who is possessed by a spirit that has robbed him of speech. 18 Whenever it seizes him, it throws him to the ground. He foams at the mouth, gnashes his teeth and becomes rigid. I asked your disciples to drive out the spirit, but they could not.”
19 “You unbelieving generation,” Jesus replied, “how long shall I stay with you? How long shall I put up with you? Bring the boy to me.”
20 So they brought him. When the spirit saw Jesus, it immediately threw the boy into a convulsion. He fell to the ground and rolled around, foaming at the mouth.
21 Jesus asked the boy’s father, “How long has he been like this?”
“From childhood,” he answered. 22 “It has often thrown him into fire or water to kill him. But if you can do anything, take pity on us and help us.”
23 “‘If you can’?” said Jesus. “Everything is possible for one who believes.”
24 Immediately the boy’s father exclaimed, “I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!”
25 When Jesus saw that a crowd was running to the scene, he rebuked the impure spirit. “You deaf and mute spirit,” he said, “I command you, come out of him and never enter him again.”
26 The spirit shrieked, convulsed him violently and came out. The boy looked so much like a corpse that many said, “He’s dead.” 27 But Jesus took him by the hand and lifted him to his feet, and he stood up.
28 After Jesus had gone indoors, his disciples asked him privately, “Why couldn’t we drive it out?”
29 He replied, “This kind can come out only by prayer.
 
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Gr8grace

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What?...where in the world would you come up with such a crazy statement?
Honestly, I think Beloved777 is correct in his question.

Trying to teach that physical healing is the order of this day, puts salvation in question. Or implies there is no real security for the believer.

We know all people are not healed? Why? If God wants all people healed and some are not, the logical conclusion is that the creature has done something or is not doing something, so they are not healed.

Which puts into question our eternal security. It implies a lack of eternal security...........a sick Christian is a lost or lacking christian.