JESUS IS WILLING, BE HEALED!

[Grace777x70]

I don't even for a second see that at all brother...that thought never once entered my mind. We also know that all people are not saved when they hear the gospel preached..does that mean it's not God's will to save them?..of course not.

I know this is a hard thing to get over in our minds because sickness is deadly and wears on us constantly if we have a sickness.

But to think because we don't receive something from the Lord means we are not saved is a ploy from the enemy for sure and I wouldn't entertain that lie for a second....and neither should anyone else. I would encourage all people to throw off that lie of the enemy. It's there to take your faith away.

Jesus Himself told his disciples that they had no faith to believe in a certain situation. I don't for a minute think Jesus was implying so now you have no faith to believe in Me and be saved.

Luke 8:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] And he said unto them, Where is your faith? And they being afraid wondered, saying one to another, What manner of man is this! for he commandeth even the winds and water, and they obey him.

Matthew 6:30 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?

The answer to get faith is to get teaching on any area..

So, then faith comes by hearing and Hearing by the word of Christ

Honestly, I think Beloved777 is correct in his question.

Trying to teach that physical healing is the order of this day, puts salvation in question. Or implies there is no real security for the believer.

We know all people are not healed? Why? If God wants all people healed and some are not, the logical conclusion is that the creature has done something or is not doing something, so they are not healed.

Which puts into question our eternal security. It implies a lack of eternal security...........a sick Christian is a lost or lacking christian.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Honestly, I think Beloved777 is correct in his question.

Trying to teach that physical healing is the order of this day, puts salvation in question. Or implies there is no real security for the believer.

We know all people are not healed? Why? If God wants all people healed and some are not, the logical conclusion is that the creature has done something or is not doing something, so they are not healed.

Which puts into question our eternal security. It implies a lack of eternal security...........a sick christian is a lost or lacking christian.

​I disagree totally with that comment in red. What are we lacking, just because we may be ill? We're still a christian, that doesn't get revoked because of illness or infirmity. We don't lose our eternal security just because we're ill. As far as I can comprehend, the ONLY thing a christian is lacking while sick, is good health.. lol

 

[coby]

Honestly, I think Beloved777 is correct in his question.

Trying to teach that physical healing is the order of this day, puts salvation in question. Or implies there is no real security for the believer.

We know all people are not healed? Why? If God wants all people healed and some are not, the logical conclusion is that the creature has done something or is not doing something, so they are not healed.

Which puts into question our eternal security. It implies a lack of eternal security...........a sick Christian is a lost or lacking christian.

Weird. It's so easy to blame the sick person. If my thumb is sick is it my thumb's fault?

 

[ladylynn]

I find that the impossible is made possible much more often by believing and relying on his power than relying on the strength or amount of our faith. Leaning on him instead of the strength of our faith I have noticed that instead of doing a word of faith type thing or attempting to do things according to the amount of faith i have when I instead lean on him and rely on his strength and power even if I am lacking in faith to make a mountain move that mountain moves anyways.

In my weakness he is strong and when I thought I was lacking in faith when I could not be healed by the amount or strength of my own faith when I leaned on him because my faith was not enough I found what true faith is and learned I was not lacking after all. The faith to move a mountain to receive or see a miracle is measured not on the strength or amount of our faith but rather our faith and belief in him and what he can do

I readily admit I'm new to this daily living faith. The kind that believes in healing and the Holy Spirit revelation of the Word for our daily lives. Being aware that wherever I go there are forces that seek to mess up my thinking and derail my faith. But also being assured the Holy Spirit is with us to guide and discern so we don't have to fall. But like you posted Blain ., it is Jesus who we relying on. And I believe that is pleasing to Him. He wants us to be dependent on Him and His provisions for us.

And most of all, He wants us to have FAITH AND BELIEVE He LOVES us and that HIS love motivates Him. I was always taught that God saved us for His great and mysterious holy glory and it was pretty much a hands off - all for all who believe kind of salvation. The personal aspect of getting saved was something we were not taught to look into much after we got saved.

Can you imagine?? We were taught to not look into the deep love God has for us as individuals?! That He died for the "Bride" meaning a "corporate body" and not the individuals that made up that body!! OH MY there was so much wrong teaching to unlearn. And it's everywhere.

 

[Grace777x70]

I agree...and to allow anyone or any "thought" to come and say otherwise needs to be dumped in the trash can of our minds....

Honestly, I think Beloved777 is correct in his question.

Trying to teach that physical healing is the order of this day, puts salvation in question. Or implies there is no real security for the believer.

We know all people are not healed? Why? If God wants all people healed and some are not, the logical conclusion is that the creature has done something or is not doing something, so they are not healed.

Which puts into question our eternal security. It implies a lack of eternal security...........a sick christian is a lost or lacking christian.

​I disagree totally with that comment in red. What are we lacking, just because we may be ill? We're still a christian, that doesn't get revoked because of illness or infirmity. We don't lose our eternal security just because we're ill. As far as I can comprehend, the ONLY thing a christian is lacking while sick, is good health.. lol

 

[Grace777x70]

I too think that with the revelation of things in Christ that come to us..if we are not mature enough in the Lord..people can "lord" it over the others to make themselves look better.."Me Super Christian"...

.we need to weep with those that are hurting and love them the best we can...not attack them....and judge them...offer teaching to strengthen their faith..offer love to strengthen their heart...offer ourselves to stand with them through whatever comes against us.

I readily admit I'm new to this daily living faith. The kind that believes in healing and the Holy Spirit revelation of the Word for our daily lives. Being aware that wherever I go there are forces that seek to mess up my thinking and derail my faith. But like you posted Blain ., it is Jesus who we relying on. And I believe that is pleasing to Him. He wants us to be dependent on Him and His provisions for us.

And most of all, He wants us to have FAITH AND BELIEVE He LOVES us and that HIS love motivates Him. I was always taught that God saved us for His great and mysterious holy glory and it was pretty much a hands off - all for all who believe kind of salvation. The personal aspect of getting saved was something we were not taught to look into much after we got saved.

Can you imagine?? We were taught to not look into the deep love God has for us as individuals?! That He died for the "Bride" meaning a "corporate body" and not the individuals that made up that body!! OH MY there was so much wrong teaching to unlearn. And it's everywhere.

 

[Gr8grace]

Honestly, I think Beloved777 is correct in his question.

Trying to teach that physical healing is the order of this day, puts salvation in question. Or implies there is no real security for the believer.

We know all people are not healed? Why? If God wants all people healed and some are not, the logical conclusion is that the creature has done something or is not doing something, so they are not healed.

Which puts into question our eternal security. It implies a lack of eternal security...........a sick christian is a lost or lacking christian.

​I disagree totally with that comment in red. What are we lacking, just because we may be ill? We're still a christian, that doesn't get revoked because of illness or infirmity. We don't lose our eternal security just because we're ill. As far as I can comprehend, the ONLY thing a christian is lacking while sick, is good health.. lol

I disagree with it totally also Blue. You have been through hell and back in what I have read.

If we are never healed in this life from our illness. And God wants everybody physically healed, why were we not healed?

If God wants it and it is His will, the only conclusion that we can draw is that it was something we did or didn't do, so we were not healed..........which is not true.

A sick believer is not lacking or lost. Physical healing is just not the order in this dispensation. Some are healed and some are not.

But if physical healing were the order of this day, it would imply that the sick believer lacks something.

 

[coby]

So, since I obviously didn't have enough faith to be healed, I must not even be saved right?

Faith comes by hearing. If you only hear that God wants to save you etc. you get faith and you get saved. If noone tells you there's also healing in the package, how can you get faith for that?

 

[Txroads]

Ok...lets clear up a couple of things..... First of all, there is absolutely nothing wrong with lady blues faith..... Back off.... Don't know how else to say it.... Lady I honestly don't think your suffering I think your an incredible testimony for God that he has given you the grace to handle what you have with such elegance for HIM and his other children... So thank you.... The thorn in Paul's side was his eyesight but it wasn't a sickness or a disease, it was his age and he became near sighted and couldn't see the small print!. Let's face it in those days how many folks could actually read!.. Today folks are still acting like Israelites... We want to see the miraculous... The problem. Is while we are looking SO HARD to find the supernatural we miss the true examples of what God is doing... For example lady blue, God bless her.... What, you can't see the miracle.. It's right there, and its been happening... Only she can give the comfort to those who have to deal with illness the way she has... Because God has been with her to walk her through it... She could be hateful and resentful and full of self pity.... BUT INSTEAD.... Glory be!!!... God has given her the love, grace and heart that she turns to HIM for everything and with that one gesture, how many have been able to follow in her footsteps..... Thank you lady blue for sharing your grace and faith that our LORD has so miraculously given to you to show us the way...... And for all those others "waiting" to be healed...... Look closer..... God bless ya'll

 

[blue_ladybug]

And that is why we have to persevere through, when we are sick. It's all we CAN do. We can't just lay down and give up. So that's why, day after day, I push on through the pain, and the sorrow. If it all makes me a stronger person in the long run, then it just makes me more able to kick butt the next time I get sick..

 

[Gr8grace]

I don't even for a second see that at all brother...that thought never once entered my mind. We also know that all people are not saved when they hear the gospel preached..does that mean it's not God's will to save them?..of course not.

I know this is a hard thing to get over in our minds because sickness is deadly and wears on us constantly if we have a sickness.

But to think because we don't receive something from the Lord means we are not saved is a ploy from the enemy for sure and I wouldn't entertain that lie for a second....and neither should anyone else. I would encourage all people to throw off that lie of the enemy. It's there to take your faith away.

Jesus Himself told his disciples that they had no faith to believe in a certain situation. I don't for a minute think Jesus was implying so now you have no faith to believe in Me and be saved.

Luke 8:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] And he said unto them, Where is your faith? And they being afraid wondered, saying one to another, What manner of man is this! for he commandeth even the winds and water, and they obey him.

Matthew 6:30 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?

The answer to get faith is to get teaching on any area..

So, then faith comes by hearing and Hearing by the word of Christ

I know your not teaching that brother. But teaching that healing is Gods will for ALL in todays dispensation implies that the believer who is not healed, lacks something.

Even your post implies that the believer lacks teaching and faith and that is why we are not healed.

 

[Blain]

I readily admit I'm new to this daily living faith. The kind that believes in healing and the Holy Spirit revelation of the Word for our daily lives. Being aware that wherever I go there are forces that seek to mess up my thinking and derail my faith. But also being assured the Holy Spirit is with us to guide and discern so we don't have to fall. But like you posted Blain ., it is Jesus who we relying on. And I believe that is pleasing to Him. He wants us to be dependent on Him and His provisions for us.

And most of all, He wants us to have FAITH AND BELIEVE He LOVES us and that HIS love motivates Him. I was always taught that God saved us for His great and mysterious holy glory and it was pretty much a hands off - all for all who believe kind of salvation. The personal aspect of getting saved was something we were not taught to look into much after we got saved.

Can you imagine?? We were taught to not look into the deep love God has for us as individuals?! That He died for the "Bride" meaning a "corporate body" and not the individuals that made up that body!! OH MY there was so much wrong teaching to unlearn. And it's everywhere.

the daily living in faith is something that comes in time the more time you spend with God the more this increases but living in faith doesn't mean you can say to this mountain move and it will move it means you live daily not believing or relying on your own strength or your own level of faith or your own righteousness but but believing in what he can do in how strong he is in how he sees you. You see i used to try to the whole believe you have received thing but it felt forced fake if you will, I tried to make an amount of faith I didn't have it just didn't feel right and when I didn't receive all this did was make me doubt it made me think I just wasn't strong enough that I didn't have enough faith.

But as time went by and as I spent more and more time with god I began to accept that my faith wasn't strong enough to simply have faith i received and it's mine and so I said to him I will just rely on your strength and then the faith I lacked began to flow easily it felt natural, it was like me trying to force a kind of faith I simply didn't have put a boulder on the river of faith and so the river was blocked and couldn't flow but when I leaned on him the river flowed freely and in more abundance.

True I cannot do the word of faith thing but I also know I am not lacking in faith either because my faith in him is far stronger than any kind of faith I would ever have to make a mountain move according to the strength level and abundance of my faith to make it happen. it's funny how he and I work because I am weak in certain areas but he is not it makes us a perfect match it creates a harmony a perfect and unbeatable combo almost as if my weakness makes him and I bond even closer

 

[ladylynn]

There was no sickness to heal him from.....but the passage does say that the grace of Jesus was enough for the situation which was most likely people that were coming against him because of Paul's revelation of Jesus and His finished work. It was a messenger of satan...not from God...

If you KNOW and understand that Jesus came to GIVE life and that MORE abundantly... that God will not go against the very reason He sent His Son.... That the enemy of our souls...it is "he" who is using false accusations against God (that he has always successfully done since Adam and Eve fell for his lies) than you will know that it is not a "speculation" that the thorn was not sickness put on Paul by God. (and remember the devil is not above using lies about what God's Word says and means)

It is sickness in the world that the enemy uses against people. But we have been placed in a position of authority (where Adam used to be) to tell satan to get away from us. Adam and Eve didn't seem to know who their enemy was and they fell for the lie that God was holding back good from them. Unfortunately some Christians today don't know it is the world, sin and the devil who cause sickness and death..... not God. Jesus already paid for our well being.

It's ingenious that the enemy of our souls can blame God for sickness...as if God would do that to His children for some greater good (calling good evil and evil good?) We would not pray against sickness if we believed it came from God. So instead of praying AGAINST sickness,., we are fooled into EMBRACING it.... thinking we are honoring God.

YIKESSS. And if we chose to believe the lie instead of Jesus and His redemptive work on the cross, God will not force us to believe Him and all the promises and evidences He has installed in the Bible. If we being 'evil' know how to give good gifts., how much more will God give to those He loves..?

 

[blue_ladybug]

Ok...lets clear up a couple of things..... First of all, there is absolutely nothing wrong with lady blues faith..... Back off.... Don't know how else to say it.... Lady I honestly don't think your suffering I think your an incredible testimony for God that he has given you the grace to handle what you have with such elegance for HIM and his other children... So thank you.... The thorn in Paul's side was his eyesight but it wasn't a sickness or a disease, it was his age and he became near sighted and couldn't see the small print!. Let's face it in those days how many folks could actually read!.. Today folks are still acting like Israelites... We want to see the miraculous... The problem. Is while we are looking SO HARD to find the supernatural we miss the true examples of what God is doing... For example lady blue, God bless her.... What, you can't see the miracle.. It's right there, and its been happening... Only she can give the comfort to those who have to deal with illness the way she has... Because God has been with her to walk her through it... She could be hateful and resentful and full of self pity.... BUT INSTEAD.... Glory be!!!... God has given her the love, grace and heart that she turns to HIM for everything and with that one gesture, how many have been able to follow in her footsteps..... Thank you lady blue for sharing your grace and faith that our LORD has so miraculously given to you to show us the way...... And for all those others "waiting" to be healed...... Look closer..... God bless ya'll

Thank you, sweetie. I suffer every day with constant pain and discomfort in my back. I have since i was in my late 20's- early 30's. So I'm talking DECADES of pain here. Read my pain testimony and you'll see what I went through last year. I would not wish the pain of sciatica or a bad broken back on any of you, and I know ForthAngel has sciatica, and so does Lynn's husband John. My heart truly breaks for them, because I know firsthand how agonizing and totally debilitating that pain is. I know how long it takes to get over it, I know the agony of not being able to stand or sit or even walk. I was totally alone, and couldn't even get out of bed on my own. I probably looked rather comical hopping up on one leg, then yelling "ow ow ow owoo owowow"..lol But with God's help, I did it. It was agony but I made it. And I NEVER wanna go through sciatica again.. I feel so bad for Angela, and Lynn and John, and several others here. They're much worse off than I am. Yet they rarely, if ever, let it get the best of them.

 

[Gr8grace]

Ok...lets clear up a couple of things..... First of all, there is absolutely nothing wrong with lady blues faith..... Back off.... Don't know how else to say it.... Lady I honestly don't think your suffering I think your an incredible testimony for God that he has given you the grace to handle what you have with such elegance for HIM and his other children... So thank you.... The thorn in Paul's side was his eyesight but it wasn't a sickness or a disease, it was his age and he became near sighted and couldn't see the small print!. Let's face it in those days how many folks could actually read!.. Today folks are still acting like Israelites... We want to see the miraculous... The problem. Is while we are looking SO HARD to find the supernatural we miss the true examples of what God is doing... For example lady blue, God bless her.... What, you can't see the miracle.. It's right there, and its been happening... Only she can give the comfort to those who have to deal with illness the way she has... Because God has been with her to walk her through it... She could be hateful and resentful and full of self pity.... BUT INSTEAD.... Glory be!!!... God has given her the love, grace and heart that she turns to HIM for everything and with that one gesture, how many have been able to follow in her footsteps..... Thank you lady blue for sharing your grace and faith that our LORD has so miraculously given to you to show us the way...... And for all those others "waiting" to be healed...... Look closer..... God bless ya'll

There ya Go Tex. It is not about getting healed, it is about how we handle it.

And Blue has been a great testimony for Christ and to us.............I can only imagine my attitude if I were going through it.

 

[ladylynn]

One can only speculate what that thorn was, but there is no doubt that it was some form of infirmity. The point is: God did not heal him of it.

(this was originally meant to answer this post about how we can only "speculate" what the thorn was. Must be there is lot's of traffic on this thread since this got posted to Grace777s post..


If you KNOW and understand that Jesus came to GIVE life and that MORE abundantly... that God will not go against the very reason He sent His Son.... That the enemy of our souls...it is "he" who is using false accusations against God (that he has always successfully done since Adam and Eve fell for his lies) than you will know that it is not a "speculation" that the thorn was not sickness put on Paul by God. (and remember the devil is not above using lies about what God's Word says and means)

It is sickness in the world that the enemy uses against people. But we have been placed in a position of authority (where Adam used to be) to tell satan to get away from us. Adam and Eve didn't seem to know who their enemy was and they fell for the lie that God was holding back good from them. Unfortunately some Christians today don't know it is the world, sin and the devil who cause sickness and death..... not God. Jesus already paid for our well being.

It's ingenious that the enemy of our souls can blame God for sickness...as if God would do that to His children for some greater good (calling good evil and evil good?) We would not pray against sickness if we believed it came from God. So instead of praying AGAINST sickness,., we are fooled into EMBRACING it.... thinking we are honoring God.

YIKESSS. And if we chose to believe the lie instead of Jesus and His redemptive work on the cross, God will not force us to believe Him and all the promises and evidences He has installed in the Bible. If we being 'evil' know how to give good gifts., how much more will God give to those He loves..?

 

[tourist]

There ya Go Tex. It is not about getting healed, it is about how we handle it.

And Blue has been a great testimony for Christ and to us.............I can only imagine my attitude if I were going through it.

I agree completely. Lady Blue has an amazing testimony of faith, courage and perseverance.

 

[Blain]

Thank you, sweetie. I suffer every day with constant pain and discomfort in my back. I have since i was in my late 20's- early 30's. So I'm talking DECADES of pain here. Read my pain testimony and you'll see what I went through last year. I would not wish the pain of sciatica or a bad broken back on any of you, and I know ForthAngel has sciatica, and so does Lynn's husband John. My heart truly breaks for them, because I know firsthand how agonizing and totally debilitating that pain is. I know how long it takes to get over it, I know the agony of not being able to stand or sit or even walk. I was totally alone, and couldn't even get out of bed on my own. I probably looked rather comical hopping up on one leg, then yelling "ow ow ow owoo owowow"..lol But with God's help, I did it. It was agony but I made it. And I NEVER wanna go through sciatica again.. I feel so bad for Angela, and Lynn and John, and several others here. They're much worse off than I am. Yet they rarely, if ever, let it get the best of them.

Blue you are one of the strongest people I know, I wish you would be healed but I also understand that it's because of all you go through that you are able to connect and understand those who also go through harsh pain and sickness. Most of my severe pain and sickness was all before the age of 18 and while I still deal and struggle with sickness and pain it is nowhere near what it used to be. Most of my pain and anguish is of brokeness and pain emotionally being battered on the inside so compared to you and to many others my sufferings are easy.

 

[machew]

I think one of the biggest hindrances on this subject is the believer's need to understand and ability to have a sense of control over their situation. Whenever someone is faced with dire circumstances, we have a need to cope with the situation somehow to continue to function and survive. One of the most common themes in the Bible are with people who have zero control over their dire circumstances, who had to choose to trust God and have faith that He would deliver them from their situation. Often times the person would be facing death if God didn't come through. If we read the Bible enough, it should not be surprising when people are faced with this kind of situation in this fallen world.

Many people need the illusion of control over their situation in order for them to feel safe and comfortable, and I see many requiring of God that He put things in a way that they can understand or comprehend before they can move forward. I guarantee you that most of the people in the Bible who faced life threatening situations did not understand how things would play out in the moment, and neither should we expect such. That is the whole point of faith "Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." Hebrews 11:1. The whole point is that we can't see with our natural eyes and carnal minds how things will play out. If we can wrap our mind around the situation and understand it, then it is not faith. For me to step forward in my walk with God in any situation because I understand everything pertaining to my situation requires no faith what so ever.

That being said, it is extremely troubling to me when people are able to make blanket statements that God doesn't heal today, or God doesn't do this or that. The consequence of such thoughts is that you have just limited God to only doing something that is within the confines of your understanding. A God limited by human understanding is not God at all...

The fact is, we see God heal sometimes, and sometimes we don't. Our need to understand the why I think sometimes hinders us from allowing faith to operate in our lives. It is our need to intellectualize and understand that I believe many times gets in the way of just simple blind faith in Jesus. If faith doesn't require a risk, then it is not faith at all. In our quest to cope with difficult situations, we tend to try to avoid any situation that would possibility lead to disappointment or pain, and unfortunately start interpreting the Bible in a way that would keep us from this pain or disappointment. The Bible says what it says regardless of the risk of being disappointed or hurt.

Yes, I will be the first to admit that I have been hurt or disappointed because I didn't see something happen that the Bible says should happen. It is very tempting to go into the Bible and interpret the meaning of the text in a way to accommodate one's own sensibilities, but this is an extremely irresponsible handling of biblical text. Who are we to change the original meaning and intention of the writer? I believe if the Apostle Paul saw what we did with his epistles in our churches today, we would get a quick scorn like he did in Galatians. It is not up to us to conform the meaning of the text in the Bible to our comfort level, but it is our responsibility as believers to get on our faces in humility and seek God until the text of the Bible becomes more and more of a reality in our lives.

 

[BenFTW]

I know your not teaching that brother. But teaching that healing is Gods will for ALL in todays dispensation implies that the believer who is not healed, lacks something.

Even your post implies that the believer lacks teaching and faith and that is why we are not healed.

Such a doctrine is putting experiential knowledge over the truth of God's word when you perpetuate the notion that because believers are sick healing for all isn't for today, or this "dispensation." That is fallacious because it puts into question what Jesus accomplished at the cross.