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Jesus turned water into unfermented wine and not fermented wine.
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OH dear.
Plenty of children drink small amounts of wine, especailly watered down, it does not do anything, does not turn them into drunks, does not give them addiction. My children have seen me and other adults drink, but they had no inclination to try it, when they did, they did not like it much.
If you want to abstain from alcohol, then that is fine, thats your choice, but I will continue to drink it, even though you lot are trying hard to "prove" the Bible is against Alcohol, when its not. I already made that point clear, if God did not want us drinking alcohol, then He would have said so in the Levitical laws, but of course the only law is about drinking before entering the tabernacle, there is nothing else, all the other verses are just warnings of what can happen if you give in to the addiction of it.
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lisa79
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I still don't think you realize you are judging addiction and that is not exclusive to alcohol. If you are saying the alcohol is not in the wine because it is evil because it can cause a man to stumble you are forgetting the corner stone that was cast away that became a stumbling block. I still would not dare to say that "good wine" is evil. If I agreed with you and claimed "it can't have alcohol in it because that would be evil" I would run the risk of calling the truth a lie and its not worth it if you are wrong. My spirit says you are wrong for even opening this door to think you can stand before God and Judge anything. There is but one sin not forgiven....its blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and that is what you are talking about...I won't take the chance on being wrong. I chose to trust Jesus made wine and it was good...
No, but He did turn water into wine at the wedding reception at Cana that He attended with His mother. He did drink wine at the last supper. This is really not that hard to understand. There are those that wrest scripture to conform to their own myopic point of view so as to validate their position, whether right or wrong.
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Kerry
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The master of the party had been drinking wine all day. If you drank wine all day. Could you tell bad wine from good, could you even walk without stumbling?
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Kerry
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not onlt the master of the party but erry body else, Look at the gallons that Jesus turned into wine, how many went to jail for riding a donkey under the influence? Saved the best for last are you kidding after a gallon of wine anything taste good even bat poo.
No, you could not tell bad wine from good if you were drunk, that is why it says in the bible that it is customary to serve the good wine first, and later, the bad wine as those that were drinking would not be able to tell the difference. The chief wine steward stated this and he declared the wine that Jesus made to be a most excellent vintage. If grape juice was served it would not matter how much you drank as you would be capable of telling whether the juice was good or bad. I have been to many wedding receptions myself, and believe me, no one is drinking grape juice. Even using just a common sense approach you can conclude that Jesus indeed, changed water into wine. That is what the bible says also. If you take this out of context then the whole bible must be full of lies and misconceptions. The bible does not actually state the actual sobriety of the guests, only that the wine had run out. There may have been hundreds there at the wedding of Cana.
Re: No grape juice here...
Still waiting for you to scripturally back up this assertion.
This is the third time that I have requested.
Just man-up and admit that you pulled your assertion from your glutes...
Still waiting for you to scripturally back up this assertion.
This is the third time that I have requested.
Just man-up and admit that you pulled your assertion from your glutes...
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pastac
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I'm still laughing that this is even a point while souls are being lost to the enemy folks fussing over grape juice and wine sheesh! In all your getting the word says get understanding! My goodness do we believe what Jesus says or not? The word says by all the witnesses that were there they said wine then it was wine my goodness.
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If you are wrong, and the wine was fermented,
and you have said that it would be a sin for Christ to give fermented wine,
then you have accused Christ of sin.
May God have mercy.
Does your doctrine really need you to take such a risk?!
and you have said that it would be a sin for Christ to give fermented wine,
then you have accused Christ of sin.
May God have mercy.
Does your doctrine really need you to take such a risk?!
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kennethcadwell
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Besides that I have drank both grape juice and wine.
I can tell the difference between the two, and I am sure most others can to.
I can tell the difference between the two, and I am sure most others can to.
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kennethcadwell
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This would be wrong, Jesus did not get drunk.
One glass of wine is not intoxicating, unless you have a very very weak metabolism.
I do not believe our Lord was weak in any way.
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lisa79
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Thank you! This is the one thing I have been trying to tell him. This is so dangerous!
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lisa79
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Matthew 12:31-32 "Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.32"Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
I know people who's saving grace was the fact they were afflicted with addiction. They could not help themselves out of the hell they created for themselves and cried out to Jesus. Dont judge things you dont understand. Drunkenness can be forgiven and God can restore. Why chance being wrong?
I know people who's saving grace was the fact they were afflicted with addiction. They could not help themselves out of the hell they created for themselves and cried out to Jesus. Dont judge things you dont understand. Drunkenness can be forgiven and God can restore. Why chance being wrong?
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I've known people that started with one drink, got addicted, couldn't fight it or shake it, died drunkards and will be in the lake of fire forever.
why chance being wrong?
why chance being wrong?
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jackamo
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I never said you were wrong, nor did I say you were right. I simply stated that every thread you seem to start causes an argument. And according to Scripture we are "To live peaceably with one another." Also the message was not directed at you but to the people that partake in the argument l. The only thing said about you was that you don't listen to other options as a result of some pride problem. Prudence would have told you had you heeded her that this thread would cause trouble and that it would've been better unmade. Anyway I'm off to peruse the other threads,
God bless you guys
Jack
God bless you guys
Jack
I don't think he said it was an error, he said it was an unfortunate translation... of which I completely disagree. Every word in the bible is put there by God, some words reveal and some words conceal. I don't know what "strong wine" is, it's only mentioned in one place in the bible.
Don't look at it as gallons, you miss the entire meaning of turning water into wine. It was "two or three" firkins apiece. Think about it... in the mouth of "two or three" witnesses, "two or three" thousand smote Ai, "two or three" eunuchs killed Jezebel, at the shaking of the olive tree "two or three" berries will be left in the top of tree.
Do you see a pattern? "Two or three" is the bible and the Holy Spirit's guidance through the word.... 6 stone water pots that can contain two or three firkins... get it? Fill the six waterpots with two or three firkins of water and Jesus turns the water into wine.... NOT ALCOHOLIC WINE.