Jesus was not only GOD but the GOD-MAN.

[awelight]

To believe that Jesus Christ had only a divine nature, would do great damage to his person. This would mean he is not really human but a mere manifestation of God. Not God in the flesh but God appearing as flesh. If this was true then how could God be a sacrifice for sin? God cannot die. To atone for sin, the Lamb of God, must truly experience death.

To believe that Jesus Christ had only a human nature, would equally do damage. This would mean he is not the eternal Son of God. If this was true, then the religionist of his day were correct to scoff at him. Christ could only make himself equal to God if he were truly the Second person of the God-head.

It is vitally important, that we as saved believers, have the right view of Jesus. This right view comes from the power of the indwelling Spirit, received in the New Birth, (John 3:2-13). This enables us today to say what Peter said, "You are the Christ (anointed one). The Son of the Living God.". Peter saw both his Divinity and his Humanity. In order that we have a saving knowledge of whom Christ is, we must understand Him as presented in Holy Scripture. The following would not be saving knowledge of Jesus Christ:

- To have simply heard the name spoken, so that one recognizes it but has no knowledge of who he is.
- To know of him from a historical perspective but have never studied who he is from Scripture.
- To have seen a movie about his life, (ex. King of Kings), but again have no true spiritual knowledge of him.
- To denounce his Divinity, for he is the Creator, (John 1:1-3).
- To denounce his humanity, for he was fully man, apart from sin. He possessed NO sin nature, therefore his nature could not be tempted. (I could go into this further but that is for another time).
- To denounce he is the eternal Son of God the Father. As again spoken of in John 1:1,2 - and again in John 8:56-58, where Jesus declared himself as being before the time of Abraham. ("......before Abraham was, I am." { in the greek, "egw eimi", translated in most Bibles: "I am" but could be translated: "I myself am"]). This is a statement of his eternal existence and should have caused the religionist of his day, to think back to the days of Moses, when the Lord said to Moses, "I am that I am....... I am has sent me unto you." (Ex. 3:14), but it did not. They were to blinded.
- To not love Christ more than anything in this world. More than your mother, father, wife, husband children or anything else this world has to offer.

I really don't believe in getting into discussions about what men believe, unless they can prove it from the Scriptures. We should always be wary of the teachings of men who are constantly quoting other men and not Holy Writ. I don't care if the man is a licensed Preacher or a man with a string of degrees as long as your arm. The Bible is the sole source of God's revelation to man. If I can't prove what I am saying from the Scriptures, you should not listen to me either. To often, I have already seen, people arguing over what men said on these threads. If that's your thing, go for it but as for me, give me the Scriptures.

Now as to Jesus Christ's divinity, I don't think much needs to be added. If you can't see he was Divine, the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end and that Christ Jesus is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, you still need God to do something for you. So let's concentrate on His human nature for a moment.

--- THE PERSON OF JESUS CHRIST ---

One Man - Two Natures

- Similarities to us -

- Born of a woman (Luke 1:35)
- Christ as a child grew (Luke 1:80, 2:40)
- Christ subjected himself to the laws of human development but in all things perfect.
- He increased in Wisdom as he increased in age (Luke 2:40, 52)
- Some things Christ did not know (Mark 13:32)
- He had a body, soul and spirit. On body (Heb. 5:7 and 10:5). On soul (Mat. 26:38, Is. 53:10). On spirit (Mark 8:12, John 11:33).
- He had weakness of the body: Hungered, Thirsted, needed sleep, became weary, was afflicted and was mortal.
- Had emotional responses: Fear, sorrow, anger, joy, wept and grief.
- Made in the LIKENESS of sinful flesh, not in sinful flesh, (Rom. 8:3)
- He died but was not a martyr.

- Dissimilarities to us -

- More than a man, the God-Man - through the mystery of the Hypostatic Union.
- Born of a virgin woman and not conceived in sin (Mat. 1:18-21, Luke 1:30-35)
- Born not from the seed of fallen man (Mat. 1:16)
- Christ given the Holy Spirit without measure (John 3:34)
- He was full of Grace and Truth (John 1:14)
- He was not subject to sin (John 8:46)
- He was Holy, undefiled, separate from sinners.
- He was untemptable (James 1:13)
- He was never sick.
- He never spoke any guile.
- He never lusted after anything or anyone.
- In him was hidden all of the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
- in him the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily (Col. 1:19)
- He was always in the will of his Father (John 4:34, 5:30)
- He always prayed in the will of his Father (John 11:42)
- Could not be knowingly deceived (John 6:70)

Now that I have attempted to show whom Jesus Christ is from the Bible, we need to ask ourselves... Is this the Jesus that I believe in? For sadly, many do not. They would attack him on one or more points. For some religions deny the trinity of God and thus know not God. Others would deny his sinless perfection and that he could not be tempted in any respects. (Please remember always, the greek word translated "tempted" in many Bibles, should be translated, "tried" or "tested" depending on the context. Others would attack his eternal Son-ship, the fact that the "Word" was God and not "a god", such as the Jehovah Witnesses. Therefore we must all be careful as to our approach to these great truths. For God is not worshiped out of good works, people trying to be the best they can be, because there are none that do good, according to Roman's chapter one. Even for us believers, we can do no good in the eyes of God, unless it is through the righteousness that Christ wrought on our behalf. Let us never forget, that our righteousness and our works are like a dung hill to God.

Finally, if you do not readily accept the whole council of God and are worshiping the wrong concept of Christ, you are risking the words of Matthew 7:21-23 in particular verse 23.

It is my hope, that these words will bring further honor and glory to God and the Lamb, as well as, a little joy into the hearts of the sheep.

Just doing my part, to hopefully shed a little light into this confused and darkened world in which we are passing through. Even so come Lord Jesus.

 

[Corban]

To believe that Jesus Christ had only a divine nature, would do great damage to his person. This would mean he is not really human but a mere manifestation of God. Not God in the flesh but God appearing as flesh. If this was true then how could God be a sacrifice for sin? God cannot die. To atone for sin, the Lamb of God, must truly experience death.

To believe that Jesus Christ had only a human nature, would equally do damage. This would mean he is not the eternal Son of God. If this was true, then the religionist of his day were correct to scoff at him. Christ could only make himself equal to God if he were truly the Second person of the God-head.

It is vitally important, that we as saved believers, have the right view of Jesus. This right view comes from the power of the indwelling Spirit, received in the New Birth, (John 3:2-13). This enables us today to say what Peter said, "You are the Christ (anointed one). The Son of the Living God.". Peter saw both his Divinity and his Humanity. In order that we have a saving knowledge of whom Christ is, we must understand Him as presented in Holy Scripture. The following would not be saving knowledge of Jesus Christ:

.....

Finally, if you do not readily accept the whole council of God and are worshiping the wrong concept of Christ, you are risking the words of Matthew 7:21-23 in particular verse 23.

It is my hope, that these words will bring further honor and glory to God and the Lamb, as well as, a little joy into the hearts of the sheep.

Just doing my part, to hopefully shed a little light into this confused and darkened world in which we are passing through. Even so come Lord Jesus.

It would seem that a degree in theology is needed to "worship the correct concept of Christ". What think ye of our Lord's statement that we must be as little children? And I wonder if Peter, the fisherman, who was found by Paul, many years later, in Galatians 2, of having misrepresented the gospel, was ever a true believer according to your "correct concept". You have written many truths, but sadly, if having a full understanding of them is a prerequisite for rebirth, then only the best DD's have a chance. What about the slow and the dull? Is it not the revelation like Peter's that gives glory to God, not a Doctorate in theology?

 

[Nehemiah6]

It would seem that a degree in theology is needed to "worship the correct concept of Christ".

Not really. The Gospel message includes the fact that God became Man in order to pay the full penalty for our sins on the cross. Only God could do that, therefore Jesus of Nazareth was (and is) the God-Man. And unless we believe this we cannot be saved.

To "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ" means to believe that the Word -- who is God -- "was made flesh" (took a human body and a human form) as Jesus of Nazareth.

 

[awelight]

It would seem that a degree in theology is needed to "worship the correct concept of Christ". What think ye of our Lord's statement that we must be as little children? And I wonder if Peter, the fisherman, who was found by Paul, many years later, in Galatians 2, of having misrepresented the gospel, was ever a true believer according to your "correct concept". You have written many truths, but sadly, if having a full understanding of them is a prerequisite for rebirth, then only the best DD's have a chance. What about the slow and the dull? Is it not the revelation like Peter's that gives glory to God, not a Doctorate in theology?

I was not referring to what was required for regeneration. That is the sole work of God. The new birth or regeneration in theological terms, is the work of the Holy Spirit on the unregenerate's heart. A person who is regenerated by the Holy Spirit is "passive" (according to the greek text), and has no more to do with this act, than a new born child has to do with his own birth.

(Eze. 36:26) A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

This enables the new born believer to begin a "conversion" experience. It is in this experience that we begin to learn about our Savior. However, if a person has not been regenerated, then any attempt at a genuine conversion experience would be futile and naming the name of Christ would only be head knowledge because the heart has not been changed.

I was writing in regards to those who may think they have salvation but perhaps do not. We live in a religious world of "easy" believism and should ALL be willing to check ourselves against the Biblical facts of all doctrines, to see if what we believe is in agreement with the revealed, objective, truth.

(2Ti 2:15) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
(1Jn 4:1) Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Otherwise, we risk falling into the trap of "subjectivism" and open the door of deceit. To that end, I was giving information about our Lord that would hopefully allow each person, who believes they are saved to check what they know about Jesus Christ against the Jesus Christ of the Bible.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

To believe that Jesus Christ had only a divine nature, would do great damage to his person. This would mean he is not really human but a mere manifestation of God. Not God in the flesh but God appearing as flesh. If this was true then how could God be a sacrifice for sin? God cannot die. To atone for sin, the Lamb of God, must truly experience death.

To believe that Jesus Christ had only a human nature, would equally do damage. This would mean he is not the eternal Son of God. If this was true, then the religionist of his day were correct to scoff at him. Christ could only make himself equal to God if he were truly the Second person of the God-head.

It is vitally important, that we as saved believers, have the right view of Jesus. This right view comes from the power of the indwelling Spirit, received in the New Birth, (John 3:2-13). This enables us today to say what Peter said, "You are the Christ (anointed one). The Son of the Living God.". Peter saw both his Divinity and his Humanity. In order that we have a saving knowledge of whom Christ is, we must understand Him as presented in Holy Scripture. The following would not be saving knowledge of Jesus Christ:

- To have simply heard the name spoken, so that one recognizes it but has no knowledge of who he is.
- To know of him from a historical perspective but have never studied who he is from Scripture.
- To have seen a movie about his life, (ex. King of Kings), but again have no true spiritual knowledge of him.
- To denounce his Divinity, for he is the Creator, (John 1:1-3).
- To denounce his humanity, for he was fully man, apart from sin. He possessed NO sin nature, therefore his nature could not be tempted. (I could go into this further but that is for another time).
- To denounce he is the eternal Son of God the Father. As again spoken of in John 1:1,2 - and again in John 8:56-58, where Jesus declared himself as being before the time of Abraham. ("......before Abraham was, I am." { in the greek, "egw eimi", translated in most Bibles: "I am" but could be translated: "I myself am"]). This is a statement of his eternal existence and should have caused the religionist of his day, to think back to the days of Moses, when the Lord said to Moses, "I am that I am....... I am has sent me unto you." (Ex. 3:14), but it did not. They were to blinded.
- To not love Christ more than anything in this world. More than your mother, father, wife, husband children or anything else this world has to offer.

I really don't believe in getting into discussions about what men believe, unless they can prove it from the Scriptures. We should always be wary of the teachings of men who are constantly quoting other men and not Holy Writ. I don't care if the man is a licensed Preacher or a man with a string of degrees as long as your arm. The Bible is the sole source of God's revelation to man. If I can't prove what I am saying from the Scriptures, you should not listen to me either. To often, I have already seen, people arguing over what men said on these threads. If that's your thing, go for it but as for me, give me the Scriptures.

Now as to Jesus Christ's divinity, I don't think much needs to be added. If you can't see he was Divine, the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end and that Christ Jesus is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, you still need God to do something for you. So let's concentrate on His human nature for a moment.

--- THE PERSON OF JESUS CHRIST ---

One Man - Two Natures

- Similarities to us -

- Born of a woman (Luke 1:35)
- Christ as a child grew (Luke 1:80, 2:40)
- Christ subjected himself to the laws of human development but in all things perfect.
- He increased in Wisdom as he increased in age (Luke 2:40, 52)
- Some things Christ did not know (Mark 13:32)
- He had a body, soul and spirit. On body (Heb. 5:7 and 10:5). On soul (Mat. 26:38, Is. 53:10). On spirit (Mark 8:12, John 11:33).
- He had weakness of the body: Hungered, Thirsted, needed sleep, became weary, was afflicted and was mortal.
- Had emotional responses: Fear, sorrow, anger, joy, wept and grief.
- Made in the LIKENESS of sinful flesh, not in sinful flesh, (Rom. 8:3)
- He died but was not a martyr.

- Dissimilarities to us -

- More than a man, the God-Man - through the mystery of the Hypostatic Union.
- Born of a virgin woman and not conceived in sin (Mat. 1:18-21, Luke 1:30-35)
- Born not from the seed of fallen man (Mat. 1:16)
- Christ given the Holy Spirit without measure (John 3:34)
- He was full of Grace and Truth (John 1:14)
- He was not subject to sin (John 8:46)
- He was Holy, undefiled, separate from sinners.
- He was untemptable (James 1:13)
- He was never sick.
- He never spoke any guile.
- He never lusted after anything or anyone.
- In him was hidden all of the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
- in him the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily (Col. 1:19)
- He was always in the will of his Father (John 4:34, 5:30)
- He always prayed in the will of his Father (John 11:42)
- Could not be knowingly deceived (John 6:70)

Now that I have attempted to show whom Jesus Christ is from the Bible, we need to ask ourselves... Is this the Jesus that I believe in? For sadly, many do not. They would attack him on one or more points. For some religions deny the trinity of God and thus know not God. Others would deny his sinless perfection and that he could not be tempted in any respects. (Please remember always, the greek word translated "tempted" in many Bibles, should be translated, "tried" or "tested" depending on the context. Others would attack his eternal Son-ship, the fact that the "Word" was God and not "a god", such as the Jehovah Witnesses. Therefore we must all be careful as to our approach to these great truths. For God is not worshiped out of good works, people trying to be the best they can be, because there are none that do good, according to Roman's chapter one. Even for us believers, we can do no good in the eyes of God, unless it is through the righteousness that Christ wrought on our behalf. Let us never forget, that our righteousness and our works are like a dung hill to God.

Finally, if you do not readily accept the whole council of God and are worshiping the wrong concept of Christ, you are risking the words of Matthew 7:21-23 in particular verse 23.

It is my hope, that these words will bring further honor and glory to God and the Lamb, as well as, a little joy into the hearts of the sheep.

Just doing my part, to hopefully shed a little light into this confused and darkened world in which we are passing through. Even so come Lord Jesus.

Could you give an easy to understand Interpretation of what the scripture means where It says JESUS was not conceived In sin? - Born of a virgin woman and not conceived in sin (Mat. 1:18-21, Luke 1:30-35)
I was thinking It meant that JESUS entered the world the righteous way.

 

[EleventhHour]

This enables the new born believer to begin a "conversion" experience. It is in this experience that we begin to learn about our Savior. However, if a person has not been regenerated, then any attempt at a genuine conversion experience would be futile and naming the name of Christ would only be head knowledge because the heart has not been changed.

Are you stating that conversion follows regeneration?

 

[Fundamental]

Amen awelight. I think killing the old self is easy, but being reborn in Him on this earth is something else. Even Paul had to die on earth to gain his Kingdom. We are all going to die and face (or not) “the second death”. Eternal hell or eternal life with Him.

How would one get to Him if we do not learn from our Holy Bible in its totality. Not by taking some bibleverses here and there because they sound nice, but the complete christian doctrine. There is a lot of division between christian people and there’s no body on a international level taking a stand. Division and deception is a nasty game and the devil is totally owning it in this time.

I have fled many European people with their new age stuff, or taking pieces out of the Bible to justify their ways. But at closer inspection verse that are taken out of context. We need to take it from the Bible and not mix our own or worldy assumptions in it. Jesus was God in the Flesh so God could slap us with grace and lead the way. And what a way it was... Imagine how His return is going to be.....

 

[Corban]

Not really. The Gospel message includes the fact that God became Man in order to pay the full penalty for our sins on the cross. Only God could do that, therefore Jesus of Nazareth was (and is) the God-Man. And unless we believe this we cannot be saved.

To "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ" means to believe that the Word -- who is God -- "was made flesh" (took a human body and a human form) as Jesus of Nazareth.

OK. I'm not in disagreement with you, but what do you think of this quote from the OP.

The following would not be saving knowledge of Jesus Christ:
...
- To not love Christ more than anything in this world. More than your mother, father, wife, husband children or anything else this world has to offer.

Is not "to love" a work? And did Peter love Christ more than anything in this world when he denied Him? Yet Peter has the revelation of Who Jesus is by Matthew Chapter 16. Then, after his failure at the trial of Jesus, Jesus twice asks Peter if he loved Him (agape - Gk.). But Peter answers "I love you (philadelphia - Gk.)". If Peter cannot answer "I love you" (agape), but is still counted among the eleven, is this statement from the OP true?

To help you, I will show that TO FAITH MUST BE ADDED .... "brotherly love (philadelphia)", and then NEXT, AND LAST "love" (agape) (2nd Pet.1:7).

Do you agree that love above all things is requirement for "saving knowledge"? Or is it to be ADDED after FAITH?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Man loved darkness he looks at the outward appearance but GOD looks at the heart.Here on earth everyone Is chasing after worldly things like money but a desire to be free which Is found by knowing the truth Which GOD who made us has the truth should be more desirable than what this world has to offer.

 

[Corban]

I was not referring to what was required for regeneration. That is the sole work of God. The new birth or regeneration in theological terms, is the work of the Holy Spirit on the unregenerate's heart. A person who is regenerated by the Holy Spirit is "passive" (according to the greek text), and has no more to do with this act, than a new born child has to do with his own birth.

(Eze. 36:26) A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

This enables the new born believer to begin a "conversion" experience. It is in this experience that we begin to learn about our Savior. However, if a person has not been regenerated, then any attempt at a genuine conversion experience would be futile and naming the name of Christ would only be head knowledge because the heart has not been changed.

I was writing in regards to those who may think they have salvation but perhaps do not. We live in a religious world of "easy" believism and should ALL be willing to check ourselves against the Biblical facts of all doctrines, to see if what we believe is in agreement with the revealed, objective, truth.

(2Ti 2:15) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
(1Jn 4:1) Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Otherwise, we risk falling into the trap of "subjectivism" and open the door of deceit. To that end, I was giving information about our Lord that would hopefully allow each person, who believes they are saved to check what they know about Jesus Christ against the Jesus Christ of the Bible.

No. You said plainly, quote;

The following would not be saving knowledge of Jesus Christ:
...
- To not love Christ more than anything in this world. More than your mother, father, wife, husband children or anything else this world has to offer.

But "love" is an emotion, not a function of FAITH.

But now you compound the issue by quoting Ezekiel 36:26. This refers to Israel, NOT the Church. Ezekiel 36:22 (KJV)
22 says who is addressed, and there can be no error for Israel alone "went among the heathen". "Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went." See verse 24 as well. Added to this, the Church is not yet revealed to the prophets of old (Eph.3:5, 9, etc.)

But this is not all, you now write, quote,

The new birth or regeneration in theological terms, is the work of the Holy Spirit on the unregenerate's heart

But it is not a matter of the heart - but the human SPIRIT. "... and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit" (John 3:6).

Look, I agree with most of the things you revealed about the God-Man Jesus Christ. But the newborn Christian does not need this knowledge to become "saved". Paul, a Pharisee, and student of Gamaliel, must be trained by the Lord personally for 14 years after his conversion. Does Paul's lack at the beginning of these 14 years annul his salvation by FAITH on the road to Damascus?

 

[jcollins]

I don't really understand topical bible discussions. They seem like a reason to fellowship with others, but i can't look my brother in the eye to show him my concern, nor do i expect to find a new perspective from a text i already know. ADDITIONALLY i suspect not to delve to deeply in advanced practical applications of spiritual concepts which are what i was not looking for and fully expect to find. Leptas- God was christ, Christ is not God.

 

[Corban]

I don't really understand topical bible discussions. They seem like a reason to fellowship with others, but i can't look my brother in the eye to show him my concern, nor do i expect to find a new perspective from a text i already know. ADDITIONALLY i suspect not to delve to deeply in advanced practical applications of spiritual concepts which are what i was not looking for and fully expect to find. Leptas- God was christ, Christ is not God.

It is true that differences of understanding in certain topics (i) cause more animosity than clarity, and (ii) can confuse the issue. But I judge that this was God's plan. First, a man is only educated by being exposed to a variety of points of view, and second, the normal maturing process is enhanced by being wrong and then correcting oneself, even if it hurts the ego.

"Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge" (1st Corinthians 14:29)

 

[jcollins]

It is true that differences of understanding in certain topics (i) cause more animosity than clarity, and (ii) can confuse the issue. But I judge that this was God's plan. First, a man is only educated by being exposed to a variety of points of view, and second, the normal maturing process is enhanced by being wrong and then correcting oneself, even if it hurts the ego.

"Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge" (1st Corinthians 14:29)

Points of view; The head of man is Christ, All the paths of the world end in death, where their are many words, there sin is. Let us go down and confuse their speech. Take transubstantiation, the truth of the matter is a spiritual one- The words i have spoken to you are of spirit. The confusion is solely to divide the church.

That this was God plan; Life in and of and through Christ was God plan,/ Christs' death life and sacrifice; divisiveness of someone else.- Go forth, fill the earth and subdue it. Before Abraham was, I am, I have come so they may have life.... //For this is your hour, when darkness reigns, Why then is it written the son of man much suffer at the hands of men?

Being wrong; I would much rather believe my brothers are misled than wrong,

 

[Nehemiah6]

Or is it to be ADDED after FAITH?

Love is to be ADDED to faith. That is very clear.

The saving knowledge of Christ means (1) we see ourselves as hopelessly lost sinners on our way to Hell, and (2) we see the Lord Jesus Christ as our Savior and our Salvation. When Paul said "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved" he could also have added repent and be converted that your sins may be blotted out (what Peter said).

So repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ would include saving knowledge. At the same time "Lord" implies God since only God as Man could die for our sins and rise again for our justification. So the one who truly believes on Christ believes that He is God manifest in the flesh.

 

[SoulWeaver]

Are you stating that conversion follows regeneration?

This seems like term confusion more than anything else. Been seeing it a lot lately on the forums.
I think people say that because they recognize that God was active in them before they got saved.
Yes there is some activity of God upon us before conversion, but should we call it regeneration?
I'd rather call it being drawn by Father God to come to Jesus, as Jesus puts it.
Isn't re-generation to be made anew? It makes no sense to be made anew, then converted and then...what?(if man was made new already, what difference is it to convert? One is then born again before they even confessed)

 

[bluto]

Could you give an easy to understand Interpretation of what the scripture means where It says JESUS was not conceived In sin? - Born of a virgin woman and not conceived in sin (Mat. 1:18-21, Luke 1:30-35)
I was thinking It meant that JESUS entered the world the righteous way.

Maybe I can help you with this seed time. The following is what David said at Psalm 51:5, "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me." On the other hand Jesus was not conceived in sin because His Father was God.
Matthew 1:20, the last sentence. "for that which has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.

If you notice in reading your Bible, specifically the New Testament you will see that Jesus oftentimes referred to Himself as the "Son of Man" and as the "Son of God." He has two natures, one on His mothers side which is human, and one on His Father's side which is deity.

It's a universal law that a son shares the same nature as its father. Moreover, if you read the New Testament, especially at the trial of Jesus at Matthew 26:63 the high priest Caiaphas ask Jesus the following: "I adjure You by the living God, that you tell us whether You are the Christ, the Son of God."

He is asking the one person of Jesus Christ to swear as to His identity. (1) Are you the Christ/Messiah and (2) are You the Son of God? The Jews here are accusing Jesus of blasphemy. Now think for a second? Why would the Jews ask Jesus to swear that He is the Son of God since the Jews themselves claim to be the sons of God? The answer is that they knew Jesus was claiming to be God. That is also why they quoted the law from Leviticus 24:16 which talks about blasphemy.

The problem is that the Jews (like others) did not believe Jesus that He was truly God's one and only begotten Son. (John 3:16). Also notice the Apostle John"a authorial intent at John 20:30-31, "Many other signs therefore Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book. vs31, but these have been written that you MAY BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST/MESSIAH, THE SON OF GOD." Hope this helps.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[Dino246]

I don't really understand topical bible discussions. They seem like a reason to fellowship with others, but i can't look my brother in the eye to show him my concern, nor do i expect to find a new perspective from a text i already know. ADDITIONALLY i suspect not to delve to deeply in advanced practical applications of spiritual concepts which are what i was not looking for and fully expect to find. Leptas- God was christ, Christ is not God.

Hi and welcome to CC...

Could you please explain what you meant by the following: "Leptas- God was christ, Christ is not God."

 

[SoulWeaver]

Hi and welcome to CC...

Could you please explain what you meant by the following: "Leptas- God was christ, Christ is not God."

CC might have been posted on atheist reddit. That would be one possible explanation for what's been happening lately. I don't know, but seems like no, we are being bombarded with people who don't think Christ is God. CC was posted somewhere, mark my words. People who don't believe Christ is God normally aren't interested to join, definitely not many at once.

 

[Mii]

Is not "to love" a work? And did Peter love Christ more than anything in this world when he denied Him? Yet Peter has the revelation of Who Jesus is by Matthew Chapter 16. Then, after his failure at the trial of Jesus, Jesus twice asks Peter if he loved Him (agape - Gk.). But Peter answers "I love you (philadelphia - Gk.)". If Peter cannot answer "I love you" (agape), but is still counted among the eleven, is this statement from the OP true?

Thanks mate. I am lacking a bit in the nuances of greek and while I plan on studying it at some point soon this is a nice taste.

Judging our "loves" is something everyone could probably benefit from. English does a disservice in this, I feel.

 

[AndyMaleh]

Jesus was neither God nor God-man. He was the "Son of God" and "Son of Man" as per the Bible verses below. Jesus Christ wouldn't be sitting at the right hand of the Father if he was the Father. He is not. He is the "Son of God". Sometimes, God spoke to people through Jesus Christ so it seemed like Jesus was God, but in actuality, Jesus Christ was speaking to people on behalf of God as any true prophet or messenger would (e.g. Moses). God also performed miracles through Jesus Christ, so it also looked like Jesus Christ was God, but again he wasn't. He was just like any other prophet (e.g. Moses), a man who can perform miracles thanks to God being on his side. Not everyone in the New Testament understood that, and it is OK. What matters is faith in God the Father, which is what Jesus Christ wants of us.

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John 8:28 (World English Bible)

28 Jesus therefore said to them, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he, and I do nothing of myself, but as my Father taught me, I say these things.

John 1:49-51 (World English Bible)

49 Nathanael answered him, “Rabbi, you are the Son of God! You are King of Israel!”

50 Jesus answered him, “Because I told you, ‘I saw you underneath the fig tree,’ do you believe? You will see greater things than these!” 51 He said to him, “Most certainly, I tell you all, hereafter you will see heaven opened, and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man.”

Matthew 18:11 (World English Bible)

For the Son of Man came to save that which was lost.

Matthew 16:13-17 (World English Bible)

13 Now when Jesus came into the parts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?”
14 They said, “Some say John the Baptizer, some, Elijah, and others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.
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