John MacArthur - our nation is drifting away - repent and pray - I listened last night

[throughfaith]

Its because what your saying is also the error of Lordship salvation. ( As John M teaches. This is a false message .

People have to believe Jesus is God ( Lord ) Thats what Rom 10.9 means.

 

[NOV25]

Paul said that accusations are to be made against a pastor only on the basis of two or three witnesses. This is to be done in order to provide accountability and protection for the pastor in such accusations. This allows for the accusation to be heard, investigated, and substantiated before it goes before the entire church. John Calvin once said, “It is a sign of a perverse and treacherous disposition to wound the good name of another, when he has no opportunity of defending himself.”

This statement by Paul completely outlaws accusations that are made privately in the form of gossip, text messages, e-mails, anonymous blogs, or over the phone behind the pastor’s back. Those types of accusations are nothing more than slanderous attacks against the office of elder (pastor) and God takes that type of thing very seriously. That is why Paul speaks of this in 1 Timothy 5:19.

There are always people eager to falsely accuse a man of God. They may do so because they resent his calling, reject his teaching, resist biblical authority, resent virtue, or are jealous of the Lord’s blessing on his life. Ultimately, however, they demonstrate by making such accusations that they have become messengers of Satan. Such false accusations are one of his most dangerous weapons. Joseph, Moses, David, Jeremiah, Nehemiah, and our Lord Jesus Christ all suffered from false accusations.

 

[NOV25]

Paul said that accusations are to be made against a pastor only on the basis of two or three witnesses. This is to be done in order to provide accountability and protection for the pastor in such accusations. This allows for the accusation to be heard, investigated, and substantiated before it goes before the entire church. John Calvin once said, “It is a sign of a perverse and treacherous disposition to wound the good name of another, when he has no opportunity of defending himself.”

This statement by Paul completely outlaws accusations that are made privately in the form of gossip, text messages, e-mails, anonymous blogs, or over the phone behind the pastor’s back. Those types of accusations are nothing more than slanderous attacks against the office of elder (pastor) and God takes that type of thing very seriously. That is why Paul speaks of this in 1 Timothy 5:19.

There are always people eager to falsely accuse a man of God. They may do so because they resent his calling, reject his teaching, resist biblical authority, resent virtue, or are jealous of the Lord’s blessing on his life. Ultimately, however, they demonstrate by making such accusations that they have become messengers of Satan. Such false accusations are one of his most dangerous weapons. Joseph, Moses, David, Jeremiah, Nehemiah, and our Lord Jesus Christ all suffered from false accusations.

Wanted to make sure you caught this @throughfaith

 

[Nehemiah6]

Its because what your saying is also the error of Lordship salvation. ( As John M teaches. This is a false message .

How can Lordship salvation be a "false message" when it is embedded in Scripture? Consider these verses carefully:

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved... For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. (Romans 10:9,13)

Do you think it is simply accidental that the word "Lord" is found in these two verses? And do you understand that when someone confesses with his mouth "the Lord Jesus" he is confirming that Jesus Christ is Lord of his life, and that he is handing his life over to his Lord and Master? That is why Peter made this bold statement on the day of Pentecost: Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. (Acts 2:36) This was not an accidental or incidental statement. It was the key to bring the Jews to repentance.

So if this is "Lordship salvation" then it is not only biblical, but essential. Unless you call upon the name of "the Lord" you cannot be saved.

While MacArthur is preaching Bible truth in this respect, he then turns around and also preaches Calvinism. And thereby becomes a false teacher. Here is what he said in one of his sermons: "Scripture repeats this tremendous truth of the choice of God as to who would be redeemed before the world was ever made."

What he is teaching here is the Unconditional Election (U) of TULIP. But is that really what the Bible teaches? Not at all, since just one verse from John 3:17 refutes this, and those are the words of Christ: For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Did Jesus mean what He said, and did He say what He meant? Absolutely. Did God intend to save the whole world of humanity through Christ? Absolutely. Did Christ die for the sins of the whole world? Absolutely. Does God desire that all men should be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth? Absolutely. So what gives MacArthur (or any Calvinistic preacher) the right to oppose God and Christ?

 

[EleventhHour]

So if this is "Lordship salvation" then it is not only biblical, but essential. Unless you call upon the name of "the Lord" you cannot be saved.

There is more to Lordship salvation than this... and it is Calvinism.

It makes salvation quid pro quo... a bilateral agreement of promising to make make Jesus Lord of one's life in exchange for the gift of eternal life.
It is connected to the P in TULIP

 

[Nehemiah6]

a bilateral agreement of promising to make make Jesus Lord of one's life in exchange for the gift of eternal life.

Do you recall what Paul and Silas said to the Philippian jailer when he asked "What must I do to be saved?" Here is what is recorded in Acts 16:31: And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

That choice of words was by design, since Peter had also announced on the day of Pentecost that God had made that same Jesus "both Lord and Christ" (Acts 2:36). Therefore the Lordship of Christ is critical for salvation. It is by His resurrection that Christ is declared to be "Lord" of the universe, and therefore it follows that He is Lord of the believer when He becomes his Savior. And Christian baptism establishes the Lordship of Christ over the believer -- it is a COMMAND which must be obeyed (see Acts 10).

Lord means Master and Controller, and unless Jesus is the Lord and Master of the believer, He cannot be the Savior. Obedience to Christ is a necessity, not an option, and when the Gospel is preached, "believing on the Lord Jesus Christ" includes both His Lordship and His finished work of salvation.

 

[EleventhHour]

Do you recall what Paul and Silas said to the Philippian jailer when he asked "What must I do to be saved?" Here is what is recorded in Acts 16:31: And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

That choice of words was by design, since Peter had also announced on the day of Pentecost that God had made that same Jesus "both Lord and Christ" (Acts 2:36). Therefore the Lordship of Christ is critical for salvation. It is by His resurrection that Christ is declared to be "Lord" of the universe, and therefore it follows that He is Lord of the believer when He becomes his Savior. And Christian baptism establishes the Lordship of Christ over the believer -- it is a COMMAND which must be obeyed (see Acts 10).

Lord means Master and Controller, and unless Jesus is the Lord and Master of the believer, He cannot be the Savior. Obedience to Christ is a necessity, not an option, and when the Gospel is preached, "believing on the Lord Jesus Christ" includes both His Lordship and His finished work of salvation.

So if you do not promise to be obedient you will not receive the gift of salvation.

So salvation is quid pro quo....i give obedience and Jesus gives me eternal life.

And what if a person's obedience fails do they loose their salvation?

Do you see the problems with this Calvinistic teaching?

 

[Bbrdrd]

Do you recall what Paul and Silas said to the Philippian jailer when he asked "What must I do to be saved?" Here is what is recorded in Acts 16:31: And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

That choice of words was by design, since Peter had also announced on the day of Pentecost that God had made that same Jesus "both Lord and Christ" (Acts 2:36). Therefore the Lordship of Christ is critical for salvation. It is by His resurrection that Christ is declared to be "Lord" of the universe, and therefore it follows that He is Lord of the believer when He becomes his Savior. And Christian baptism establishes the Lordship of Christ over the believer -- it is a COMMAND which must be obeyed (see Acts 10).

Lord means Master and Controller, and unless Jesus is the Lord and Master of the believer, He cannot be the Savior. Obedience to Christ is a necessity, not an option, and when the Gospel is preached, "believing on the Lord Jesus Christ" includes both His Lordship and His finished work of salvation.

Lordship salvation, by and large, is not about obedience to Christ. It is used as a cudgel to enforce obedience to the pastor and to the human leaders in a given church.

It goes well beyond submission of our wills to Christ by seeking a demonstrable means of such surrender, demanding that the individual give proof before men according to their standards rather than a genuine inward obedience that comes naturally through faith.

It is pious religiousness rather than true discipleship. Just another way men try to have other men submit to their authority.

 

[throughfaith]

How can Lordship salvation be a "false message" when it is embedded in Scripture? Consider these verses carefully:

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved... For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. (Romans 10:9,13)

Do you think it is simply accidental that the word "Lord" is found in these two verses? And do you understand that when someone confesses with his mouth "the Lord Jesus" he is confirming that Jesus Christ is Lord of his life, and that he is handing his life over to his Lord and Master? That is why Peter made this bold statement on the day of Pentecost: Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. (Acts 2:36) This was not an accidental or incidental statement. It was the key to bring the Jews to repentance.

So if this is "Lordship salvation" then it is not only biblical, but essential. Unless you call upon the name of "the Lord" you cannot be saved.

While MacArthur is preaching Bible truth in this respect, he then turns around and also preaches Calvinism. And thereby becomes a false teacher. Here is what he said in one of his sermons: "Scripture repeats this tremendous truth of the choice of God as to who would be redeemed before the world was ever made."

What he is teaching here is the Unconditional Election (U) of TULIP. But is that really what the Bible teaches? Not at all, since just one verse from John 3:17 refutes this, and those are the words of Christ: For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Did Jesus mean what He said, and did He say what He meant? Absolutely. Did God intend to save the whole world of humanity through Christ? Absolutely. Did Christ die for the sins of the whole world? Absolutely. Does God desire that all men should be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth? Absolutely. So what gives MacArthur (or any Calvinistic preacher) the right to oppose God and Christ?

The word ' Lord ' refers to his deity . Thars what we believe . Thats it .

 

[Nehemiah6]

It is used as a cudgel to enforce obedience to the pastor and to the human leaders in a given church.

Do you have any actual evidence that this is the case?

 

[throughfaith]

How can Lordship salvation be a "false message" when it is embedded in Scripture? Consider these verses carefully:

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved... For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. (Romans 10:9,13)

Do you think it is simply accidental that the word "Lord" is found in these two verses? And do you understand that when someone confesses with his mouth "the Lord Jesus" he is confirming that Jesus Christ is Lord of his life, and that he is handing his life over to his Lord and Master? That is why Peter made this bold statement on the day of Pentecost: Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. (Acts 2:36) This was not an accidental or incidental statement. It was the key to bring the Jews to repentance.

So if this is "Lordship salvation" then it is not only biblical, but essential. Unless you call upon the name of "the Lord" you cannot be saved.

While MacArthur is preaching Bible truth in this respect, he then turns around and also preaches Calvinism. And thereby becomes a false teacher. Here is what he said in one of his sermons: "Scripture repeats this tremendous truth of the choice of God as to who would be redeemed before the world was ever made."

What he is teaching here is the Unconditional Election (U) of TULIP. But is that really what the Bible teaches? Not at all, since just one verse from John 3:17 refutes this, and those are the words of Christ: For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Did Jesus mean what He said, and did He say what He meant? Absolutely. Did God intend to save the whole world of humanity through Christ? Absolutely. Did Christ die for the sins of the whole world? Absolutely. Does God desire that all men should be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth? Absolutely. So what gives MacArthur (or any Calvinistic preacher) the right to oppose God and Christ?

Lordship salvation is more than realising Jesus is deity and is who he says he is . No Lordship salvation goes far beyond this .

 

[Bbrdrd]

Do you have any actual evidence that this is the case?

Just what I've seen in practice. I make no charges about specific teachers, though.

 

[throughfaith]

“Salvation isn’t the result of an intellectual exercise. It comes from a life lived in obedience and service to Christ as revealed in the Scripture; it’s the fruit of actions, not intentions. There’s no room for passive spectators: words without actions are empty and futile… The life we live, not the words we speak, determines our eternal destiny.” John MacArthur .
The life we live determines our eternal destiny? . Aka Lordship salvation error . How about believing the Gospel ( 1 cor 1.21 ) being ' in Christ '' and sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption, determines our eternal destiny . ( Ephesians 1.13-14 )

 

[Kolistus]

Paul said that accusations are to be made against a pastor only on the basis of two or three witnesses. This is to be done in order to provide accountability and protection for the pastor in such accusations. This allows for the accusation to be heard, investigated, and substantiated before it goes before the entire church. John Calvin once said, “It is a sign of a perverse and treacherous disposition to wound the good name of another, when he has no opportunity of defending himself.”

This statement by Paul completely outlaws accusations that are made privately in the form of gossip, text messages, e-mails, anonymous blogs, or over the phone behind the pastor’s back. Those types of accusations are nothing more than slanderous attacks against the office of elder (pastor) and God takes that type of thing very seriously. That is why Paul speaks of this in 1 Timothy 5:19.

There are always people eager to falsely accuse a man of God. They may do so because they resent his calling, reject his teaching, resist biblical authority, resent virtue, or are jealous of the Lord’s blessing on his life. Ultimately, however, they demonstrate by making such accusations that they have become messengers of Satan. Such false accusations are one of his most dangerous weapons. Joseph, Moses, David, Jeremiah, Nehemiah, and our Lord Jesus Christ all suffered from false accusations.

This sounds good, but I do not live in America, there is nothing I can do other than talk behind John MacArthur's back. He is in some mansion in California somewhere making millions, even if I lived in America, I am willing to bet my concerns would be swept under the rug, even if I was in his congregation.

 

[Bbrdrd]

This sounds good, but I do not live in America, there is nothing I can do other than talk behind John MacArthur's back. He is in some mansion in California somewhere making millions, even if I lived in America, I am willing to bet my concerns would be swept under the rug, even if I was in his congregation.

It seems to me what you quoted would apply to assault on his character that is unverifiable. Criticizing teaching or things that are publically known about him doesn't really fall into the category of slander and certainly is not done in secret if it's already public knowledge. After all, if you someone who doesn't live in America are aware of whatever issue you have with him and it wasn't conveyed to you by some secret means only you know about it seems fair game.

 

[throughfaith]

This sounds good, but I do not live in America, there is nothing I can do other than talk behind John MacArthur's back. He is in some mansion in California somewhere making millions, even if I lived in America, I am willing to bet my concerns would be swept under the rug, even if I was in his congregation.

Paul named names to warn the people against such false teachings .

 

[cv5]

What are you talking about? No offense but who are you to tell others what a verse in Gods word really means? Also I don't know of one Faith preacher that believes in "prosperity gospel". I watched them say from their mouth "there is no such thing as prosperity gospel in the word of God". So why keep saying it? Its not words of life. Does not help them in any way. It does make them look bad and....what believer would do that to Gods Children? Remember Christ will say to the nations "if you did it to the least of these my brethren you did it unto me". Jesus shows up to Paul and says why are you persecuting me ?" Paul never did.

Yeah...we best understand we that LOVE and believe in Yeshua/Jesus Christ do not get to tell GOD who is and who is not really His Children. I do listen to Word of Faith and John MacArthur and in both cases do not agree with everything they teach.

LOL there is no perfect Church, preacher thats preacher the 100% truth. Get over it.. you me all believers are ONE body. Don't like the other hand other foot.. we get no say. HE alone is the head. He is the vine.. we are just branches... its not what the others are doing or preaching. Its what are YOU doing.. what fruit are you showing. Thats what He will be looking at asking you and me when we stand before Him. Now what we thought of some other believer. He takes care of them.. Hes really good at His job.

Be if faith or Catholic or baptist etc.. see what HE started He will finish. So I pray for them all. And never what I personally believe. I can be wrong.. duh.

So when the righteous..ooh thas ME! thrive "good, goodness, beauty, gladness, welfare" the city rejoices and the wicked perish, there are shouts of Joy.

You will grow out of "word of faith". Take my word for it.

 

[cv5]

Its because what your saying is also the error of Lordship salvation. ( As John M teaches. This is a false message .

When you receive Christ as Savior you receive an has He really is: LORD

The full understanding and full expression of this fact we will not know in this life, we will know it fully after our glorification.

 

[cv5]

This sounds good, but I do not live in America, there is nothing I can do other than talk behind John MacArthur's back. He is in some mansion in California somewhere making millions, even if I lived in America, I am willing to bet my concerns would be swept under the rug, even if I was in his congregation.

MacArthur does not live in a mansion he lives in a rather modest home.
His net worth at his advanced age is about 12 million. Well-off but certainly not loaded.

He is probably one of the hardest working pastors out there. Even now despite being over 80 years old.

 

[cv5]

Do you recall what Paul and Silas said to the Philippian jailer when he asked "What must I do to be saved?" Here is what is recorded in Acts 16:31: And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

That choice of words was by design, since Peter had also announced on the day of Pentecost that God had made that same Jesus "both Lord and Christ" (Acts 2:36). Therefore the Lordship of Christ is critical for salvation. It is by His resurrection that Christ is declared to be "Lord" of the universe, and therefore it follows that He is Lord of the believer when He becomes his Savior. And Christian baptism establishes the Lordship of Christ over the believer -- it is a COMMAND which must be obeyed (see Acts 10).

Lord means Master and Controller, and unless Jesus is the Lord and Master of the believer, He cannot be the Savior. Obedience to Christ is a necessity, not an option, and when the Gospel is preached, "believing on the Lord Jesus Christ" includes both His Lordship and His finished work of salvation.

I like the term "COMMANDER". He is after all the one giving the commands.