Joyce Meyers- false teacher.

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jackamo said:
Jamal, you seem to think that unless someone has a theological degree they can't be a pastor. Let me tell you something, different people learn in different ways. Some find doing a degree very helpful, but for the most part what I see is pastors with "Theological degrees" being skeptic about the exacts of what they even believe.
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Some men are intelligent and curious, and they can do a wonderful job educating themselves outside of a formal education Joyce Meyer is not one of them. A degree in anything, along with a few Bible classes thrown in, would be a huge improvement for Meyer. But, she's not interested in teaching the Bible, but only in using the Bible as decoration for selling her self-esteem snake oil.

I wouldn't be a member of a church with a head pastor who couldn't demonstrate a sound and deep education during the sermon. I don't want fluff. I don't want to be made ignorant by listening to ignorance. The specifics of what they believe is another issue.
 
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I bet there are more divorced women in Joyce Meyer's congregation than there are in 99% of the churches in America.
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Your comment is based on your own assumptions... You are not commenting to add value to the lives of people or have an impact on people in a good way... you are actually commenting to attack the church, to bring it down and to criticise her every word.

It's sad to always look for the bad in things... if that is what you do, that is the only thing you're going to find. Transformation of the mind is essential for every Christian; it allows us to stay ahead and to not have such a negative outlook on things.

Do you think you may influence people in a positive way by what you have just said? Personally, I don't think so... and I don't think anyone here is actually interested in taking you up on that bet.
 
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Word of Faith. Very similar to New Age thought. Very dangerous spiritually. Stay away!
 
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Inu said:
If we call someone a false teacher... we are judging them... we are labelling them. The only one who has power to label us, is the one who created us.
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But I would have my greatest respect to the brother who warned me about a false teacher than the brother who shut his mouth and let me lose my way to end up in hell.
 
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But I would have my greatest respect to the brother who warned me about a false teacher than the brother who shut his mouth and let me lose my way to end up in hell.
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He perceives her to be a false teacher, doesn't mean she is.... and I have clearly stated this in my other comments. You need to use your own discernment at times and not lean on someone else's perception of another person. Sometimes, our thoughts and our understanding, isn't that of God.
 
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I just stuck a fork in this one folks I truly believe its done! At least for me it is. Better things to do to edify the body other that back and forth over perceptions.
Peace to all pastac
 
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He perceives her to be a false teacher, doesn't mean she is.... and I have clearly stated this in my other comments. You need to use your own discernment at times and not lean on someone else's perception of another person. Sometimes, our thoughts and our understanding, isn't that of God.
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Fair enough. Thanks
 
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that's why paul wrote that the women should keep silent in the churches and not teach over a man she is out of order on many different levels i don't know but whenever ive heard her or seen her i feel like she is a mean spirited person but that's just me
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No that isn't why. 1 COr 11:5 puts that distortion to rest. The 11th Chapter speaks of men and WOMEN praying and prophesying. It says that women are to PRAY and PROPHECY with their heads COVERED. How can you pray or prophecy about Christ with your mouth always silent?
When women are told to keep silent and to learn in submission and at home and not disrupt at church, Paul meant exactly that and gave Timothy the same charge. Out of order means simply that, out of order. If a woman has a question about something said in church and her husband is trying to listen to what is said, should she interrupt? For that matter, should anyone?
If women are to simply be quiet with no Spirit behind what is said, then all men ... ALL MEN are to lift holy hands in prayer without anger and disputing ALWAYS and they are to greet everyone with a HOLY KISS. Now, do you do that as a man everytime, everywhere you pray and with everyone in church, at every church meeting? I hope you get what i am expressing and notice also the point about obeying the letter of the law, without the Spirit of the living God when you understand what the Spirit through Paul is saying to churches. Peace of Christ to you. *PS. This has nothing to do with the person who made this thread. Only to the person who made this quote and anyone else interested in the truth about 1 cor 12 and 1 tim 2:12.
 
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No that isn't why. 1 COr 11:5 puts that distortion to rest. The 11th Chapter speaks of men and WOMEN praying and prophesying.
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Prophesying itself is not leadership. And, the context of 1 Cor 11:5 says nothing about women prophesying in church, among men. But, Paul's instruction for women to keep silent is in church, in mixed company. In fact, the context of 1 Cor 11:5 reaffirms women are not to be in leadership over men: The woman who prophesies is to have her head covered as a symbol that the man is the head of the woman.

I don't think Paul meant for women to keep silent in church, outside of instructional periods. But, he didn't want women in leadership over men.
 
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To the OP, you would do better if you started a thread about who believes in Meyer's (or anyone else's teachings) and why. The way you put it, you could only expect argument. I'm out of this thread now. Later.
 
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She teaches self help as most do and doe's not mention the cross which is the answer so I would not listen.
 
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One of the few preachers on TV that preaches the truth is Jimmy Swaggert and his sons and other associate preachers and I know what you are all going to say. But Look at King David whom the lord Jesus Christ came from before you judge. Didn't he sleep with Bathsheba and have her husband killed? Yet He was a man after God's own heart. Think before you judge.
 
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And of all the wives and sons David had God chose Solomon the Son of Bathsheba. Go figure.
 
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Kerry said:
One of the few preachers on TV that preaches the truth is Jimmy Swaggert and his sons and other associate preachers and I know what you are all going to say. But Look at King David whom the lord Jesus Christ came from before you judge. Didn't he sleep with Bathsheba and have her husband killed? Yet He was a man after God's own heart. Think before you judge.
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Jimmy Swaggert once preached that if you think drinking wine is okay because Jesus turned water into wine, get a glass of water and if God turns it into wine, you can drink it. If God endorsed a preacher I think is bad, I'd listen to the preacher.

King David repented of his sins. Yes, they were big sins, but the repentance was still sincere. When Joyce Meyer repents and stops selling us garbage and calling it God's word, then I'll stop pointing out that she's a false teacher.

I do think before I judge, thank you.
 
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Jamal said:
Jimmy Swaggert once preached that if you think drinking wine is okay because Jesus turned water into wine, get a glass of water and if God turns it into wine, you can drink it. If God endorsed a preacher I think is bad, I'd listen to the preacher.

King David repented of his sins. Yes, they were big sins, but the repentance was still sincere. When Joyce Meyer repents and stops selling us garbage and calling it God's word, then I'll stop pointing out that she's a false teacher.

I do think before I judge, thank you.
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I'm with you bro. It's about the message and not the person. Isaiah said I am a man of foul lips or something like that I can't call off hand but its there.
 
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Jamal said:
Prophesying itself is not leadership. And, the context of 1 Cor 11:5 says nothing about women prophesying in church, among men. But, Paul's instruction for women to keep silent is in church, in mixed company. In fact, the context of 1 Cor 11:5 reaffirms women are not to be in leadership over men: The woman who prophesies is to have her head covered as a symbol that the man is the head of the woman.

I don't think Paul meant for women to keep silent in church, outside of instructional periods. But, he didn't want women in leadership over men.
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I do agree with you HERE "I don't think Paul meant for women to keep silent in church, outside of instructional periods. But, he didn't want women in leadership over men". Amen

However, It does NOT say women are NOT prophesying in church, without men either. Paul's instruction for women to keep silent could very well have been in mixed company. These women needed to prophesy WITH A COVERING as instructed here in cor 11: 4
"Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head.(SHE cannot cover Him) 5 But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is the same as having her head shaved. 6 For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head.7 A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man."

It is clearly giving direction for BOTH at the same time in the same paragraph about the same gift addressed both for men and women. Context is in reading ALL of the letter to corinthian church and getting the SPirit from that whole.
Also, Notice here next he says "EVERYONE" and "each of you" in these following verses:
1 cor 12:6 "There are different kinds of gifts working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work." 1 Cor12:27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28 And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues."

Now, about COVERING:
Lucifer -meaning son of the dawn and*the cheribum who covers* tried to usurp authority over God and God took Him out. We lost cover and sin was disclosed. GOd through Christ takes Lucifer's authority over us out.
1 Cor 11:10 "It is for this reason that a woman ought to have authority over her own head, because of the angels."
Also see here that Abigal asked David to leave her authority covering (her husband, Nabal) to God and intructed David not go head to head with another man..... and God took Nabal out. David did not teach this man a lesson either. Also, David did not teach Saul. No one is to usurp authority because God Himself places and takes out that authority figure as HE IS the head of that authority. Submit therefore one to another. This is why a women isn't to teach nor usurp authority over her own covering. She would dishonor her head and usurp the authority of Christ Himself. She is the helpmate of her husband as the church is the Bride (helpmate) of Christ.
So we are to conclude Here is the Spirit of it, not context..... Are you following what the Love expresses clearly in this letter about this matter? I am not to cover my husband, but HE is to cover me, Christ covers Him and God covers ALL.
It is all about order in unity isn't it? team work. The context is the Spirit of Love everything done for Him in order .. Amen
 
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